Religion is man made

[SUPERCHARGERS]

God and the idea of God is purely man made. There is no heaven. There is no hell. Religion was invented to help man deal with the fact that one day he has to die and be gone forever.

The bible is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. Ok maybe not the biggest because alot of the other mainstream religions have what I consider fairytales as well. So your telling me that a guy.. in B.C. times built a boat with two of every animal in it? That boat would have to be 3 times the size of San Diego and built in the B.C. Not to mention there would be SOME kind of evidence of this eventually shipwrecked boat all across the globe.... OR how about the fairytale on why we all die. Because a snake in a magic... i repeat MAGIC GARDEN TALKED and convinced a man to bite an apple and now man has to die kuz he didn't listen... lol suuuuure.

Also where are the dinosaurs in the bible? According to the bible the earth is only a few thousand years old.

The only reason people even believe in religion is because they are brainwashed from chldhood or just brainwashed in general.
Then think about it from a black/ African American perspective. Most Blacks are christian. But Why? It's because during the trans atlantic slave trade white people imparted their religion on the black slaves. During slavery Sunday in church was your only free time which is why black churches are more celebratory in nature. So church became huge in the black community after slavery and continued until now.

The Christian religion is a dying religion. Eventually a thousand years from now or probably less than that , Christianity will be an ancient religion. Approx 70 Pct of the country is christian right now. In 50 years it is expected to dwindle to 40 percent.

Also what about Aliens? Wouldn't life on other planets pretty much completely discredit the bible? Well there is life on other planets we just haven't found it yet. Consider this though.... If you were to look at a planet a billion light years away you wouldn't be looking at the planet how it looks now. You would be looking at that planet how it looked 1 billion years ago because it took that light image one billion years to reach your telescope lens. Conversely, if an alien species were to look at earth from 3 billion light years away they wouldn't see life on earth or humans. They would see an ocean planet with a bunch of rocks.

With that said I tend to agree with the smartest people in the world. Michou Koku is one of the smartest and he believes that the idea of a Universe is inaccurate. You have solar systems that are inside of galaxies, and galaxies within the universe. Most people tend to stop there. However, Koku believes that the Universe is actually within another bigger level called the Multiverse. And each Universe within this multiverse has it's own characteristics. As for the start of the universe and something coming from nothing... Well technically space isn't nothing. It's a vaccum. Within the vaccum has always been energy. A characteristic of energy is that it mutates and transforms. What I believe happened is that energy transformed into matter and the universe began to form. Not a big bang.

 

[Chowd]

Well this should go over well. opcorn:

 

[everlong]

I'm not so sure about it dwindling to 40 percent in 50 years but who knows. It does seems as though as the percentage of the general populace who are devoutly religious shrinks those who are still in the fold become more fanatically zealous about it.

I have my own metaphysical ideas based loosely off of David Bohm but none of us can really know but regardless as long as people want to practice religion in a peaceful manner I don't care. When they become fanatical because how could they possibly be wrong? :bricks: That's when I take issue.

I've posted stuff about the dinosaur museum and find it hysterical. The same people are looking to spend $155 million on a park about Noah.

Noah's followers recreating ark, in Kentucky - CBS News

Seriously how many people would that feed?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Not to mention there would be SOME kind of evidence of this eventually shipwrecked boat all across the globe....

The only reason people even believe in religion is because they are brainwashed from chldhood or just brainwashed in general.

The OP sticks to the facts and is free of any "brainwashing" or beliefs in things that can't be verified. Well except for:

Well there is life on other planets we just haven't found it yet.

With that said I tend to agree with the smartest people in the world. Michou Koku is one of the smartest and he believes that the idea of a Universe is inaccurate. You have solar systems that are inside of galaxies, and galaxies within the universe. Most people tend to stop there. However, Koku believes that the Universe is actually within another bigger level called the Multiverse.

And the evidence of the Multiverse is?

And each Universe within this multiverse has it's own characteristics. As for the start of the universe and something coming from nothing... Well technically space isn't nothing. It's a vaccum. Within the vaccum has always been energy. A characteristic of energy is that it mutates and transforms. What I believe happened is that energy transformed into matter and the universe began to form. Not a big bang.

Got it. Your "beliefs" are perfectly understandable but others have beliefs because they are "brainwashed".

 

[SUPERCHARGERS]

The OP sticks to the facts and is free of any "brainwashing" or beliefs in things that can't be verified. Well except for:





And the evidence of the Multiverse is?



Got it. Your "beliefs" are perfectly understandable but others have beliefs because they are "brainwashed".

My beliefs are not restricted to changing and are based on plausible theories as opposed to your beliefs which are based on fairytales and a magic man in the sky who lets terrible things happen to good people lol. If you believe a man walked on water once in ancient times but is for whatever reason too cool and mystical to come back and do it now then hey.... I got a bridge in san francisco made of gold I want to sell you. When have you ever legitimately undeniable seen jesus along with more than 1 or 2 other people. I mean live in person talking in the flesh. NEVER. Never happend never will happen. The religion plays on peoples fears and labels people who don't believe as the "devil" trying to influence you lol. If you don't believe in him then your soul is damned for hell? What kinda messed up, make me paranoid so I will believe crap is that? Come on man put the kool aid down.

 

[The Brandon Five]

My beliefs are not restricted to changing and are based on plausible theories as opposed to your beliefs which are based on fairytales and a magic man in the sky who lets terrible things happen to good people lol.

Plausible to you.

If you believe a man walked on water once in ancient times but is for whatever reason too cool and mystical to come back and do it now then hey.... I got a bridge in san francisco made of gold I want to sell you.

Is the bridge named "Multiverse"? Or is it "Area 51"?

When have you ever legitimately undeniable seen jesus along with more than 1 or 2 other people.

When have you ever seen George Washington?

Come on man put the kool aid down.

How original.

 

[Nikolai]

God and the idea of God is purely man made. There is no heaven. There is no hell. Religion was invented to help man deal with the fact that one day he has to die and be gone forever.

The bible is the biggest load of crap I've ever read. Ok maybe not the biggest because alot of the other mainstream religions have what I consider fairytales as well. So your telling me that a guy.. in B.C. times built a boat with two of every animal in it? That boat would have to be 3 times the size of San Diego and built in the B.C. Not to mention there would be SOME kind of evidence of this eventually shipwrecked boat all across the globe.... OR how about the fairytale on why we all die. Because a snake in a magic... i repeat MAGIC GARDEN TALKED and convinced a man to bite an apple and now man has to die kuz he didn't listen... lol suuuuure.

Also where are the dinosaurs in the bible? According to the bible the earth is only a few thousand years old.

The only reason people even believe in religion is because they are brainwashed from chldhood or just brainwashed in general.
Then think about it from a black/ African American perspective. Most Blacks are christian. But Why? It's because during the trans atlantic slave trade white people imparted their religion on the black slaves. During slavery Sunday in church was your only free time which is why black churches are more celebratory in nature. So church became huge in the black community after slavery and continued until now.

The Christian religion is a dying religion. Eventually a thousand years from now or probably less than that , Christianity will be an ancient religion. Approx 70 Pct of the country is christian right now. In 50 years it is expected to dwindle to 40 percent.

Also what about Aliens? Wouldn't life on other planets pretty much completely discredit the bible?

So, basically, you've got a beef with Christian religion...all of your religious talking points are refutations of post-Reformation Protestant Christian theology.

 

[chicowalker]

Plausible to you....

Do you really think life elsewhere in the universe is implausible?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Do you really think life elsewhere in the universe is implausible?

I do.

My larger point was that plausibility is in the eye of the beholder.

 

[chicowalker]

I do.

My larger point was that plausibility is in the eye of the beholder.

I understand that (and agreed with a lot of what you said).

I just found this interesting. why is life elsewhere, in the entire universe, implausible to you?

 

[The Brandon Five]

I understand that (and agreed with a lot of what you said).

I just found this interesting. why is life elsewhere, in the entire universe, implausible to you?

1. The unique conditions necessary for it.
2. The idea that a machine like a flagellum constructed itself seems ludicrous to me.

(Just for two.)

 

[chicowalker]

1. The unique conditions necessary for it.
2. The idea that a machine like a flagellum constructed itself seems ludicrous to me.

(Just for two.)

So is the jist of it that there must be a creator and said creator only created life here?

If so, I'm going to respect your religious view in answering my question and leave it at that.

 

[Rossmci90]

1. The unique conditions necessary for it.
2. The idea that a machine like a flagellum constructed itself seems ludicrous to me.

(Just for two.)

The only unique thing about life is that it needs water. In every conceivable location on Earth, where there is water there is life. You have life forms in incredibly cold, incredibly hot temperatures, extremely alkaline and extremely acidic, you find life in places without any sunlight, all the way through the water column, life that lives off volcanic vents, life that lives off arsenic. Name any environmental condition you can think of and as long as there is water present so will there be life. There is absolutely nothing unique to where we find life, its a huge fallacy. As we continue to find life in places on Earth we thought completely inhospitable to life, it opens up a greater net for planets and satellites that may host life.

And the Earth has had vastly different conditions throughout its lifespan. Huge changes in climate, massive changes in the atmosphere, big shifts in the distribution of land.

 

[The Brandon Five]

The only unique thing about life is that it needs water. In every conceivable location on Earth, where there is water there is life. You have life forms in incredibly cold, incredibly hot temperatures, extremely alkaline and extremely acidic, you find life in places without any sunlight, all the way through the water column, life that lives off volcanic vents, life that lives off arsenic. Name any environmental condition you can think of and as long as there is water present so will there be life. There is absolutely nothing unique to where we find life, its a huge fallacy. As we continue to find life in places on Earth we thought completely inhospitable to life, it opens up a greater net for planets and satellites that may host life.

Incorrect. Life requires not only water, but Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorous and Sulfur (in addition Hydrogen and Oxygen).

The "cells made of arsenic" study is in dispute. See:

[guest post: Alex Bradley, PhD] Arsenate-based DNA: a big idea with big holes : We Beasties

There's been a lot of hype around the news of GFAJ-1, the microbe claimed to substitute arsenate for phosphate in its DNA. In the midst of all the excitement, one thing has been overlooked:

The claim is almost certainly wrong.

All of your examples are on earth. The earth contains a tiny fraction of the range of conditions in the universe.

 

[The Brandon Five]

So is the jist of it that there must be a creator and said creator only created life here?

If so, I'm going to respect your religious view in answering my question and leave it at that.

Even leaving the creator out, the case for "accidental" assembly of a piece of information like DNA is hard to make.

Information does not arise from "noise".

 

[chicowalker]

Even leaving the creator out, the case for "accidental" assembly of a piece of information like DNA is hard to make.

Information does not arise from "noise".

Of course it's not likely -- but it seems to have happened somehow...

Even with the odds being incredibly small, when you take the size and age of the universe, that's a lot of opportunity.

 

[chicowalker]

Incorrect. Life requires not only water, but Carbon, Nitrogen, Phosphorous and Sulfur (in addition Hydrogen and Oxygen).....

Life as we know it.

...All of your examples are on earth. The earth contains a tiny fraction of the range of conditions in the universe.

That actually argues against your position re life not existing elsewhere, doesn't it? (Not saying it refutes it, though.)

 

[Rossmci90]

Even leaving the creator out, the case for "accidental" assembly of a piece of information like DNA is hard to make.

Information does not arise from "noise".

Your use of the word accidental is quite obviously incorrect. No scientist who has studied abiogenesis in any way would say there was anything accidental about it.

Life is simply a function of chemistry, there is nothing accidental about the way elements, chemicals and particles interact.

On the emergence of life at a submarine alkaline spring
Michael J. Russell, Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Caltech
Energised by protons (“proticity”) from the carbonic Hadean Ocean, life was forced into
being to hydrogenate carbon dioxide of volcanic derivation on the tempestuous water‐world
that was our planet 4 billion years ago. The hatchery of life was a compartmentalized
submarine hydrothermal mound comprising silica and clay precipitates interspersed with
transition metal sulfide clusters and phosphate/pyrophosphate. It was fed from an alkaline
hydrothermal solution bearing hydrogen gas derived through serpentinization of the ocean
crust. The metal sulfides acted as hydrogenation, reduction, transfer and assembly catalysts,
while the pyrophosphate polymerized amino acids to peptides (uncoded proteins). The
phosphate was recharged to pyrophosphate by the proton gradient acting across the
inorganic compartment walls separating the carbonic (pH 5‐6) oceans from the alkaline (pH
10‐12) hydrothermal (~100°C) solutions exhaling from the ocean floor. The peptides
wrapped around, and stabilized the pyrophosphate and metal sulfide complexes with the
overall effect of quickening the hydrogenation of CO2. Once the metabolic engine was
running, biosynthesizing and producing effluent of acetate or methane, then virus‐like selfreplicating
RNAs infected contiguous compartments and encoded the proteins that ushered
in Darwinian evolution—synthesizing enzymes that constituted a critical and irreversible
improvement on the random associations between the peptide “nests” and their inorganic
“eggs”. Eventually, through the use of a calcium manganese cluster similar in structure to
hollandite, hydrogen was split off from water through photosynthesis to hydrogenate CO2 in
a process that evolved to produce oxygen as a waste gas to our ultimate advantage.
Evolution then, is a search engine for energies and nutrients commensurate with those of
the hydrothermal mound—evolution as “the survival of the most fitting” on this, or any
other wet, rocky and sunlit planet of sufficient mass to support mantle convection and hold
a CO2/N2 atmosphere

Here are some other articles i would suggest reading:

Journal of Cosmology
Journal of Cosmology

 

[The Brandon Five]

Your use of the word accidental is quite obviously incorrect. No scientist who has studied abiogenesis in any way would say there was anything accidental about it.

How exactly have they studied it? Since we are unable to observe it, how do they study it? You mean theorize about it?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Life as we know it.

That's the one!

That actually argues against your position re life not existing elsewhere, doesn't it? (Not saying it refutes it, though.)

I was saying that I think the range of conditions elsewhere includes many more that are inhospitable to life (radiation and heat levels, lack of organic elements, etc.).