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Excuse me, but nobody is stealing anything. That's a load of crap and you know it.
That is a horrible analogy and the situation you gave has nothing to do with what is going on. Your analogy is so horrible that it cannot even be addressed logically.

I am not a season ticket holder, but if I was then I have bought the tickets legally from the team who determined the price they would sell them to me. If I decide to re-sell those tickets at a profit through StubHub, then that's just the capitalistic society within which we live. I am not selling forged tickets, I haven't stolen them from anyone and nobody is forced to pay my asking price. Furthermore, we are talking about a luxury good... we are not talking about heating oil or medicine or bottled water during a hurricane.

Please tell me why I can wait in line for 48 hours to buy a PS3 for $600 and turn around and sell it for $2,000 and that's perfectly fine, but I can't do the same with tickets to a football game. If I buy a $500 Tom Brady football card and he wins 3 more Super Bowls, I can turn around and sell it for $1,000 and that's perfectly fine. Please explain to me why you think football tickets are so special that they get their own laws.

Good try Quigon ... you need to brush up on your law. Tickets are permission to watch a game ... legally you only own permission and the ticket says that permission can be revoked at any time. You have no legal right ro sell that permission ... only they do. ticketmaster can do it because they have an agreement with the NFL...they pay for the permission to sell the permission.
 
2) The Patriots are extremely hypocritical with regards to the whole thing (sorry, but it's true). They don't want you scalping, but if you want tickets with that Super Bowl package from their "official travel agency" then you better be prepared to shell out 4 times face value.


Quiggy me boy...good to see you finally smartened up! Didnt we just argue over this?

By the way....wanna buy my playoff tix? I'll sell 'em cheap!
 
Good try Quigon ... you need to brush up on your law. Tickets are permission to watch a game ... legally you only own permission and the ticket says that permission can be revoked at any time. You have no legal right ro sell that permission ... only they do. ticketmaster can do it because they have an agreement with the NFL...they pay for the permission to sell the permission.

Excellent point. Here's how the back of the ticket reads, as of August 2005:

"This ticket and all season tickets are revocable licenses. The Patriots reserve the right to revoke such licenses, in their sole discretion, at any time and for any reason. Patriots may refuse admission to, or eject, any ticket holder without refund if the holder fails to comply with any applicable rules or terms, or is deemed to be disorderly. Inappropriate behavior and/or abusive language may result in ejection (without refund), arrest, prosecution, forfeiture of season ticket privileges, and other legal action. Purchase of season tickets does not entitle purchaser to renewal in subsequent year. The holder of this ticket voluntarily assumes all risks of property loss and personal injury incident to the game or related events. [following text is capitalized on ticket] ANY NON-LICENSED INDIVIDUAL RESELLING THIS TICKET BY ANY METHOD INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, IN PERSON, ON AN AUCTION WEB SITE, OR OTHERWISE OVER THE INTERNET, AND ANY LICENSED INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY RESELLING THIS TICKET IN VIOLATION OF APPLICABLE LAW, IS SUBJECT TO ARREST, LEGAL ACTION AND LOSS OF SEASON TICKET PRIVILEGES. All sales are final. This ticket cannot be replaced if lost, destroyed or stolen. Season ticket accounts can not be transferred or split. No person, regardless of age, may enter the Stadium without a ticket, and re-entry is prohibited. [following text is italicized on ticket] The Patriots expressly prohibit the use of tickets for advertising and promotional purposes (including contests and sweepstakes or other trade purposes.) The ticket holder will not transmit or aid in transmitting any description, account, picture, reproduction or other depiction in any media now or hereafter existing, of all or any part of the football game or related events to which this ticket admits holder. [Huh?] [Following text underlined by me] The Patriots and the NFL reserve the right to seek criminal prosecution of, and commercial damages from, any person who engages in any prohibited ticket use. Commercial damages will include, but not be limited to, the price charged by the Patriots for similar uses. Patrons may not bring umbrellas, alcoholic beverages, food, bottles, cans, containers, irritants (e.g. noisemakers), cameras [security doesn't care about this one], visual or audio recording equipment, or other inappropriate items into the Stadium. The holder grants permission to the NFL, the Patriots, other participating clubs, NPS LLC, and their designees to use the holder's image, likeness, and/or voice in connection with any broadcast (live or recorded) or any other transmission or reproduction of the game, in whole or in part, and for any other purpose whatsoever, including commercial purposes. Dates and times of games are subject to change without refund."
 
Excellent point. Here's how the back of the ticket reads, as of August 2005:

"This ticket and all season tickets are revocable licenses. The Patriots reserve the right to revoke such licenses, in their sole discretion, at any time and for any reason. Patriots may refuse admission to, or eject, any ticket holder without refund if the holder fails to comply with any applicable rules or terms, or is deemed to be disorderly. Inappropriate behavior and/or abusive language may result in ejection (without refund), arrest, prosecution, forfeiture of season ticket privileges, and other legal action. Purchase of season tickets does not entitle purchaser to renewal in subsequent year. The holder of this ticket voluntarily assumes all risks of property loss and personal injury incident to the game or related events. [following text is capitalized on ticket] ANY NON-LICENSED INDIVIDUAL RESELLING THIS TICKET BY ANY METHOD INCLUDING WITHOUT LIMITATION, IN PERSON, ON AN AUCTION WEB SITE, OR OTHERWISE OVER THE INTERNET, AND ANY LICENSED INDIVIDUAL OR ENTITY RESELLING THIS TICKET IN VIOLATION OF APPLICABLE LAW, IS SUBJECT TO ARREST, LEGAL ACTION AND LOSS OF SEASON TICKET PRIVILEGES. All sales are final. This ticket cannot be replaced if lost, destroyed or stolen. Season ticket accounts can not be transferred or split. No person, regardless of age, may enter the Stadium without a ticket, and re-entry is prohibited. [following text is italicized on ticket] The Patriots expressly prohibit the use of tickets for advertising and promotional purposes (including contests and sweepstakes or other trade purposes.) The ticket holder will not transmit or aid in transmitting any description, account, picture, reproduction or other depiction in any media now or hereafter existing, of all or any part of the football game or related events to which this ticket admits holder. [Huh?] [Following text underlined by me] The Patriots and the NFL reserve the right to seek criminal prosecution of, and commercial damages from, any person who engages in any prohibited ticket use. Commercial damages will include, but not be limited to, the price charged by the Patriots for similar uses.

Thanks ... I'm getting the complaint itself... It's probably long but a good lesson in law just to read it. I'm going to then send it to Ian so he can put it on the site somewhere for members to read. I'm not sure anyone has already done this ... so, if not...it's on it's way from a lawyer.
 
Quiggy me boy...good to see you finally smartened up! Didnt we just argue over this?
I don't think we argued over this particular issue.... I mean, you call the Patriots cheap no matter what they do, and I just calls 'em as I sees 'em... When they behave in a hypocritical manner, I will gladly call them out on it...

By the way....wanna buy my playoff tix? I'll sell 'em cheap!
I need 1 for the playoffs, so I will probably go to the wonderful free market system that is eBay...
 
Good try Quigon ... you need to brush up on your law. Tickets are permission to watch a game ... legally you only own permission and the ticket says that permission can be revoked at any time. You have no legal right ro sell that permission ... only they do. ticketmaster can do it because they have an agreement with the NFL...they pay for the permission to sell the permission.
That's a load of crap. Right now in the Commonwealth, it is illegal to scalp tickets, but it is not illegal to resell them at (or below) face value. So to say "only the Patriots can sell tickets" is just not true. Now that may be Patriot policy, but that ain't the law (there's a difference). Plus it just isn't realistic to assume every single season ticket holder goes to every single game and never sells the tickets for face value to a buddy or relative if they can't make it.

If I am a STH and I sell Patriots tickets at face value, the Patriots may revoke my season tickets but I haven't broken any laws and I would not be subject to any fines or other punishment.

Sorry... I know you're really really trying and I know you're really really proud of yourself because you think you got me, but you didn't.... Try again.
 
That's a load of crap. Right now in the Commonwealth, it is illegal to scalp tickets, but it is not illegal to resell them at (or below) face value. So to say "only the Patriots can sell tickets" is just not true. Now that may be Patriot policy, but that ain't the law (there's a difference). Plus it just isn't realistic to assume every single season ticket holder goes to every single game and never sells the tickets for face value to a buddy or relative if they can't make it.

If I am a STH and I sell Patriots tickets at face value, the Patriots may revoke my season tickets but I haven't broken any laws and I would not be subject to any fines or other punishment.

Sorry... I know you're really really trying and I know you're really really proud of yourself because you think you got me, but you didn't.... Try again.


Not trying to get you ... just saying "it is what it is"

I'll post the complaint when I get it...then we'll all see.
 
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