Final Roster + Cuts based on training camp & 1st preseason game

[nnmnmmnn]

Re: Final Roster + Cuts

Here's my view, based on training camp and the first pre season game performance, of what the final 2011 Patriots Roster will look like. A lot will still change in the time leading up to the final cuts, with the possibility of trades, PUP list, IR, and player performance, etc.


QB (3)
Brady, Hoyer, Mallet

HB (4)
Green-Ellis, Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen

WR (6)
Ochocinco, Welker, Branch, Price, Edelman, Slater(ST)

TE (3)
Gronkowski, Hernandez, Smith

OL (9)
Light, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly, Vollmer, Solder, Wendell, LeVoir, Ohrnberger


DE (4)
Cunningham, Carter, Moore, Anderson

Big DE/Rush DT (2)
Ellis, Wright

DT (5)
Wilfork, Haynesworth, Love, Brace, Cohen

LB (5)
Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher, Ninkovich

CB (5)
McCourty, Bodden, Arrington, Dowling (PUP?), Butler

S (4)
Chung, Meriweather, Sanders, Brown

Specialists (3)
Gostkowski, Mesko, Katula


PUP
Faulk, Cannon


PUP / IR are tough to predict with the secrecy of the injuries and all. It also wouldn't suprise me to see at least one of the veteran DL signings cut. Below is a list of players with a decent chance of making it onto the final roster, whether it be because of the previous reasons, or special teams need, injuries, future performance, etc. (listed from highest chance of making the team (in my opinion)).


BUBBLE (15)
Tate, Pryor (PUP?), Wilhite, Warren, Richard, Deaderick, Morris, Maneri, M. Carter, Lockett, Murrell, Weston, M. Williams, Yeatman, T. White, M. Richard



Thoughts? Regardless of who makes it or not, it's going to be one hell of a talented team this year, and it's going to be tough for a lot of guys to clear waivers.

I'd remove brace and replace Cohen with Pryor.

I would add another LB, Tarpinian or White... Tough choice, but I'll go with Tarp.

I'd replace butler with Williams.

I don't know enough about the o line to say anything one way or another, after the top 6-7.

I want a 4th TE, but not sure where the spot comes from...

 

[DarrylS]

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Tate is listed as a punt/KR on the Patriots depth chart, can this team afford that luxury??

Guyton has not looked all that impressive in camp, love his heart and story, but he might be squeezed out(Tarpinian??)

Also do not see 11 Defensive Linemen. that is a lot of resource allocation to that position.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

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Dowling has already practiced, albeit once. He's not PUP eligible. Same deal for Vereen. Bill stated earlier that all the guys being held out were close, none is battling much more than a strain or a sprain or a hammy or lacking conditioning and they don't want to exacerbate them. I do think that anyone who can be PUPPED may be as insurance against a rough start injury wise coming off the lockout. What may prove difficult depending on how they perform in public over the next couple of weeks will be getting the best of the rest to the practice or shadow rosters. Bringing in as many exceptionally seasoned veterans as Bill has can be a delicate balancing act between the present and the future.

 

[supafly]

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Tate is listed as a punt/KR on the Patriots depth chart, can this team afford that luxury??

Guyton has not looked all that impressive in camp, love his heart and story, but he might be squeezed out(Tarpinian??)

Also do not see 11 Defensive Linemen. that is a lot of resource allocation to that position.

I think that Cunningham and Moore could've been listed as LB's, bringing their total up to 7 instead of 5, and at the same time that would also bring the DL position down to 9. Either way he has 16 front seven positions listed, and you're right--that may be 1 too many, but basically it's the same as having 8 of DL and 8 of LB. He just went about it in a different way.

I think 15 may be more realistic, but 16 probably isn't out of the realm either.

 

[DaBruinz]

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Why is everyone so quick to make their decisions on the "Final Roster" and Cuts?

There are 3 more pre-season games and the practices in between. There are players who aren't going anywhere, but beyond that, it's a crap shoot. Lots of things can happen in the next 3 weeks.. Injuries. Trades. The perenial Vet O-lineman who decides to retire.. Etc..

 

[DaBruinz]

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Tate is listed as a punt/KR on the Patriots depth chart, can this team afford that luxury??

Guyton has not looked all that impressive in camp, love his heart and story, but he might be squeezed out(Tarpinian??)

Also do not see 11 Defensive Linemen. that is a lot of resource allocation to that position.

Not sure that Guyton will be beat out by Tarpinian, but Guyton didn't look great out there against the Jaguars..

 

[PatriotsInGA]

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The only way I see Butler not making the team is if he plays these next 3 preseason games like he did the first.

AND

Dowling gets back from his injury and plays phenomenal in the last preseason game(s).

Butler is horrid to watch, but he knows the playbook (somewhat) and with Dowling not playing, it keeps the door open for Butler.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

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One thing against guys like Guyton whom I like is that after that many seasons BB has seen their upside while a promising youngun contender may at least appear to have unexplored upside. Replacing bubble vets with promising newbies is a viable strategy. Note that I'm not saying vets, but bubble vets.

 

[jefmblrd]

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This roster makes a lot of sense. I don't see them cutting T. White, as he was still the first guy down on kick coverage the other night. And I might insert Maneri instead of Lavoir as a backup tackle. Wouldn't be surprised to see Tate moved. And would love to see M. Carter, Williams, Tarpinian and Yeatman on the Practice Squad.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

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Here's my view, based on training camp and the first pre season game performance, of what the final 2011 Patriots Roster will look like. A lot will still change in the time leading up to the final cuts, with the possibility of trades, PUP list, IR, and player performance, etc.


QB (3)
Brady, Hoyer, Mallet

HB (4)
Green-Ellis, Woodhead, Ridley, Vereen

WR (6)
Ochocinco, Welker, Branch, Price, Edelman, Slater(ST)

TE (3)
Gronkowski, Hernandez, Smith

OL (9)
Light, Mankins, Koppen, Connolly, Vollmer, Solder, Wendell, LeVoir, Ohrnberger


DE (4)
Cunningham, Carter, Moore, Anderson

Big DE/Rush DT (2)
Ellis, Wright

DT (5)
Wilfork, Haynesworth, Love, Brace, Cohen

LB (5)
Mayo, Spikes, Guyton, Fletcher, Ninkovich

CB (5)
McCourty, Bodden, Arrington, Dowling, Butler

S (4)
Chung, Meriweather, Sanders, Brown

Specialists (3)
Gostkowski, Mesko, Katula




BUBBLE (15)
Tate, Pryor (PUP?), Wilhite, Warren, Richard, Deaderick, Morris, Maneri, M. Carter, Lockett, Murrell, Weston, M. Williams, Yeatman, T. White, M. Richard

Awesome work.

I think they'll find room for Brandon Tate as a Returner. He is dangerous on kickoffs and can be utilized on reverses. He may not be Randy Moss, or even Deion Branch, but he's still a decent WR. He definitely is not Chad Jackson caliber bad. Welker, Branch, and Ocho Cinco are all pretty old. Tate is only 23 and has plenty of room to grow. It may be a huge mistake to get rid of Tate when you have 3 WR's at the end of their careers.



Fletcher will find his way ahead of Guyton on the depth chart eventually. I love the energy he brings to the defense. Something the Pats have been missing since the Bruschi/Rodney days.

One of those Dlineman you listed might not make it.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

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Brandon Tate's 1 year with Pats.... and he's still only 23.

* Led the Patriots with 1,555 all-purpose yards in 2010.
* Ranked third in the AFC and sixth in the NFL with a 25.8 kickoff return average, having returned 41 kickoffs for 1057 yards.
* Returned two kickoffs for touchdowns: a 97-yard return against Cincinnati (9/12) and a 103-yard return at Miami (10/4).
* Finished with 24 receptions for 432 yards and three touchdowns.

^18 yards per catch average.


It would be a mistake to get rid of Tate. He is a talented playmaker and still room to get better.

 

[Deus Irae]

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Brandon Tate's 1 year with Pats.... and he's still only 23.

* Led the Patriots with 1,555 all-purpose yards in 2010.
* Ranked third in the AFC and sixth in the NFL with a 25.8 kickoff return average, having returned 41 kickoffs for 1057 yards.
* Returned two kickoffs for touchdowns: a 97-yard return against Cincinnati (9/12) and a 103-yard return at Miami (10/4).
* Finished with 24 receptions for 432 yards and three touchdowns.

^18 yards per catch average.


It would be a mistake to get rid of Tate. He is a talented playmaker and still room to get better.

There are limited roster spots available. Johnson/Branch/Welker are clearly the 3 best WRs on the roster, at least going into camp. That leaves Edelman (the team's only backup for Welker), Tate and Price. So, are you keeping 7 wideouts at the expense of other positions, or are you cutting one of the bottom 3+Slater?

You can't have it both ways.

 

[MrNathanDrake]

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Tate offers more value than Edelman IMO.

He's one of the few WR's who can "go deep" on our team.

Welker, Edelman, and Price are all "possession" type receivers. Even Branch is at this point in his career.

 

[patsinthesnow]

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Reiss's take, pretty much what Deus said.

Brandon Tate & new kickoff rule - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

I don't see the point of keeping 6 WRs+Slater with all the D-linemen the pats have, as well as keep a 3rd QB.

 

[crowell33]

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Brandon Tate's 1 year with Pats.... and he's still only 23.

* Led the Patriots with 1,555 all-purpose yards in 2010.
* Ranked third in the AFC and sixth in the NFL with a 25.8 kickoff return average, having returned 41 kickoffs for 1057 yards.
* Returned two kickoffs for touchdowns: a 97-yard return against Cincinnati (9/12) and a 103-yard return at Miami (10/4).
* Finished with 24 receptions for 432 yards and three touchdowns.

^18 yards per catch average.


It would be a mistake to get rid of Tate. He is a talented playmaker and still room to get better.

The first three of your * have changed. The ball on kickoff has been moved from the 30 up to the 35. Many more touchbacks and fewer long returns.

So now your down to your last * , 24 receptions for 432 yards. He is certainly on the bubble. It hurts Tate that Ochochino has been added, Price has significantly improved and Edelman is the team's punt returner, and back up slot receiver.

 

[D-Money]

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I dont know why everyone here is so high on Edelman?I think Edelman or Tate, one of the two will be cut or both

 

[crowell33]

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Reiss's take, pretty much what Deus said.

Brandon Tate & new kickoff rule - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

I don't see the point of keeping 6 WRs+Slater with all the D-linemen the pats have, as well as keep a 3rd QB.

I think Reiss nailed it.

 

[crowell33]

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I dont know why everyone here is so high on Edelman?I think Edelman or Tate, one of the two will be cut or both

Two reasons. Clearly the best punt returner on the team. Reason two, when in the slot, Edelman was good. I believe he had 10 catches in one game in the slot when Welker was injured. If Welker gets injured again ( or does not resign ) you have your slot receiver in Edelman.

Having said that, when forced to play outside roles as he has recently, he is nothing to write home about.

 

[jah]

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Tate offers more value than Edelman IMO.

He's one of the few WR's who can "go deep" on our team.

Welker, Edelman, and Price are all "possession" type receivers. Even Branch is at this point in his career.

I don't think so.

 

[zoostation]

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Nice job. I think Edelman is on the bubble. The last 2 DL spots (you have Love and Cohen) could go many ways. White will be a very difficult cut, but hard to find who to take away.

I actually think Edelman is gone. We have 3 qb's and 2 small slot wr's already.