OT: Official McBee is not a Pats fan

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

I have seen more and more of this morons posts lately. With the latest ones being about Brady and his love affair with Branch, that was enough for me to finally add a person to my ignore list.

Don't get me wrong, I am not big on banning a person or ignoring their posts as I feel all opinions have a right to be voiced. But this nummah isn't even in the ballpark of having a legitimate post anymore.

I do not believe he is a Patriots fan at all, but in fact an opposing team fan posing for the sake of peddling ignorance and immaturity.

Anyone agree that McBee is indeed a fraud?

 

[420jim]

You know that old saying: Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool than it is to speak and remove all doubt.

Let him speak

 

[SeanBruschi54]

I thought he was a Bears fan.

 

[RayClay]

I think he's Daniel Snyder, trying to get the Patriots to wreck their future as he has the 'Skins.

In case anyone's keeping score that's Zero titles for the Skins before collapse.

Strategy: Sign those wonderful free agents!!!!!

Patriots: Three titles, one game from playoff clinch, (right?) with two 1sts and multiple picks in most rounds.

Recap: Skins Zero, collapsed.

Patriots 3 SBs 9-4 record, bright future.


MCBEEEEEEE I can't decide. Explain to me again how the high priced free agent route is better!!??

 

[mgcolby]

I agree RayClay.

Lets see in the 12 completed years that Kraft has owned the team, the Pats have accomplished the following:

8 Playoff appearances
6 Division titles
4 SB appearances
3 SB victories
9 winning seasons
1 8-8 season
2 losing seasons
Missed the playoffs in consecutive years once.
Missed the Playoffs 4 times
Compiled a 13-5 Playoff record
117-75 Regular season record
Won 10 or more games in 7 seasons

If we include what we know from this year you can add:
10 winning seasons
9 Playoff appearances

Statistically the Pats have done th following since Kraft bought the team:

Participated in 33% of the SB's
Won 17% of all AFC playoff games played.
Played in 23% of all AFC playoff games played
Won 50% of the Division Titles

I think that is enough for now. I guess for our sake it is a good thing that every owner isn't as cheap as ours.

 

[Krugman]

RayClay,your logic is impeccable.....

 

[mcbee]

I think he's Daniel Snyder, trying to get the Patriots to wreck their future as he has the 'Skins.

In case anyone's keeping score that's Zero titles for the Skins before collapse.

Strategy: Sign those wonderful free agents!!!!!

Patriots: Three titles, one game from playoff clinch, (right?) with two 1sts and multiple picks in most rounds.

Recap: Skins Zero, collapsed.

Patriots 3 SBs 9-4 record, bright future.


MCBEEEEEEE I can't decide. Explain to me again how the high priced free agent route is better!!??

I didn't say it was. I said ADDING FAs to a roster which was good but not great (which may be too charitable for the Pats) would be smart. That doesn't mean abandon the draft, it's not an either/or. What you are doing is called "creating a straw man arguement".

Where do the Pats get ILBs next year? A CB if Samuel leaves? How about if Bruschi retires?

Recent "drafts" have produced no ILBs, one OLB (Cain 3 or 4 years ago), one CB in the past 3-4 years (Hobbs), one WR (Jackson, injured), no safeties (Wilson 4 years ago). Current WR are all washouts and 35 year old Troy Brown. Current RBs other than Maroney are UDFAs, street FAs, or old and slow (Dillon).

They need an infusion of talent.

 

[mgcolby]

Recent "drafts" have produced no ILBs, one OLB (Cain 3 or 4 years ago), one CB in the past 3-4 years (Hobbs), one WR (Jackson, injured), no safeties (Wilson 4 years ago). Current WR are all washouts and 35 year old Troy Brown. Current RBs other than Maroney are UDFAs, street FAs, or old and slow (Dillon).

CB's drafted in the past 3-4 years.

2003 - Assante Samuel/Eugene Wilson (moved to safety)
2004 - Randall Gay UDFA might as well consider that the 8th round as most guys get signed within 15 minutes of the draft ending.
2005 - Ellis Hobbs

So by my count they Drafted 4 CB's. Two started and won at least 1 SB and one other moved to safety and started in 2 SB's.

Sanders seems to be coming along.

I was going to continue but realized that you did exactly what you accused rayclay of.

You completely ignored all of the good picks in the draft. For instance if we had not drafted Wilfork, Warren, Watson, Graham, Mankins, Maroney, UDFA Wright, Green, UDFA Neal, Koppen etc.. you woulld be saying wow we have great LB's and DB's but they are useless because we haven't drafted a good DL that can get pressure or stop the run. And Wow it would be nice if we had a TE, how come the Pats haven't done anything about that etc.. Hell you are doing that with a position that we did address, RB.

Do you actually watch other team's play? Do you realize that not every team is strong at every position? Have you paid attention to the Draft? How many ohter teams have had the success in the draft that we have had over the past 5 years?

I think most around here would appreciate if you do like you said and leave. Go root for the Chargers they are a popular pick these days and you can admire their recent drafting success and the whole time you can try and figure out why their secondary sucks.

Good Luck.

 

[RayClay]

I didn't say it was. I said ADDING FAs to a roster which was good but not great (which may be too charitable for the Pats) would be smart. That doesn't mean abandon the draft, it's not an either/or. What you are doing is called "creating a straw man arguement".

Where do the Pats get ILBs next year? A CB if Samuel leaves? How about if Bruschi retires?

Recent "drafts" have produced no ILBs, one OLB (Cain 3 or 4 years ago), one CB in the past 3-4 years (Hobbs), one WR (Jackson, injured), no safeties (Wilson 4 years ago). Current WR are all washouts and 35 year old Troy Brown. Current RBs other than Maroney are UDFAs, street FAs, or old and slow (Dillon).

They need an infusion of talent.

If you're the Yankees, yes.

Football has a salary cap. Even if there's room now, there won't be later if you add high priced long term contracts.

The fact that 35 year old Brown is still successful shows it's learning the system that makes our passing offense work.

You'd be surprised how few high priced free agents can or want to submerge their egos to a "system" type of offense.

You want to spend every cent and more on RBs and WRs, then ask where the ILBs and DBs will come from? DUH!!!

I would guess you've got tens of thousands in credit card debt since you don't have the slightest idea what the word budget means.

 

[mcbee]

If you're the Yankees, yes.

Football has a salary cap. Even if there's room now, there won't be later if you add high priced long term contracts.

The fact that 35 year old Brown is still successful shows it's learning the system that makes our passing offense work.

You'd be surprised how few high priced free agents can or want to submerge their egos to a "system" type of offense.

You want to spend every cent and more on RBs and WRs, then ask where the ILBs and DBs will come from? DUH!!!

I would guess you've got tens of thousands in credit card debt since you don't have the slightest idea what the word budget means.

I understand the salary cap well. The patriots are well under it.

I don't have any credit card debt. No mortgage debt, no student loans. How about them apples!

 

[mgcolby]

I understand the salary cap well. The patriots are well under it.

I don't have any credit card debt. No mortgage debt, no student loans. How about them apples!

Then me thinks you are either a kid or a bum. And I'm not much on fruit.

 

[cstjohn17]

I don't want to be rude, but isn't the easy answer to not read his posts or read them with a grain of salt. This whole thread smells like a witch hunt.

I consider myself a Pats fan but on the scale below I put myself at a 7. The organization has done an incredible job and Tom Brady is one of my favorite athetes ever but I don't agree with everything they have done.
1 - being anti-Patriot, the Patriots can do nothing right
10 - Heavy Kool-aid drinker, Patriots are right about everything

I notice people on either end of the spectrum tend to get pretty excited about anything that is not exactly the way they see it. But that is life, read it, ignore it, whatever turns your crank...

 

[spacecrime]

I don't want to be rude, but ...

I love it when people say, "I don't want to do/be something, BUT "

For some reason I find it funnier than watching Patrick Pass trying to hold onto a football.

 

[cstjohn17]

I love it when people say, "I don't want to do/be something, BUT "

For some reason I find it funnier than watching Patrick Pass trying to hold onto a football.

It is like when people say "I will tell you the truth..." or "Honestly..."

 

[Pats67]

They need an infusion of talent.

So do your posts.

 

[shmessy]

I don't have any credit card debt. No mortgage debt, no student loans. How about them apples!

OK! Who had the winning bet on this guy being a homeless high school dropout?????

 

[RayClay]

I understand the salary cap well. The patriots are well under it.

I don't have any credit card debt. No mortgage debt, no student loans. How about them apples!

Congratulations, I'm sure you've had to delay some purchases to achieve that status. So do the Patriots.

Unless you live with your parents.

 

[RayClay]

I understand the salary cap well. The patriots are well under it.

I don't have any credit card debt. No mortgage debt, no student loans. How about them apples!

About 25% of the teams are more under the cap than the Pats.

They have some contracts up and lots of picks next year. You can disagree with their system, but you can't reasonably disagree it's been successful.

 

[mgcolby]

About 25% of the teams are more under the cap than the Pats.

They have some contracts up and lots of picks next year. You can disagree with their system, but you can't reasonably disagree it's been successful.

I don't think he can do or say anything with reason.

 

[RayClay]

I don't think he can do or say anything with reason.

He's actually discussing things in this thread like a typical, if impatient fan.

I'm OK with that, I'm not into feuds unless they're funny.