Analysis of Shaun Ellis Signing

[patsfan-1982]

is Shaun Ellis better then Ty Warren IMO no not at this point in he's career he's 4 years older i think think he's noting more then dept if he makes the team but he can play 4-3 DE Ty Warren would be a DT in a 4-3 and he's not going to be better then Wilfork or Haynesworth,

for me the big story is are the young guys just not showing a nuff in TC that they are bring in washed up guys like Andre Carter and Ellis ?

 

[supafly]

is Shaun Ellis better then Ty Warren IMO no not at this point in he's career he's 4 years older i think think he's noting more then dept if he makes the team but he can play 4-3 DE Ty Warren would be a DT in a 4-3 and he's not going to be better then Wilfork or Haynesworth,

for me the big story is are the young guys just not showing a nuff in TC that they are bring in washed up guys like Andre Carter and Ellis ?

With all respect pf1982, I think that every years' team is different in many ways. We have seen the other recent SB teams use veteran presence here, particularly on the D-line.

I think we all wanted some decent signings for depth, experience, and added competition; and that's exactly what we got. The additions to the defensive line are well noted--and I don't believe (or worry) that they're "washed up guys," as you say. Unless you think that they're here for the future of the team, why would it matter if they only have a couple yrs left?? They are here to help IMMEDIATELY---and that's exactly what everyone wanted!! How many times have we all heard the tired old theory of the closing window on Brady's career, and that we need to do something to win NOW??

In this modern era of free agency and especially this yr, where we had a decreased salary cap and almost no off-season activities, the smarter teams will have to be creative in their team moves regarding personnel. That's what these signings give us..vet presence and depth in an area where we certainly needed it most last January--at a very reasonable and lower cost.

It's almost brilliant if you ask me, but of course that's just my opinion. The bottom line is that they certainly can't hurt the team, that's for sure. The defense may have been too young and green still, and this gives them the youth for the future still, while creating balance and experience for right now.

 

[BlueThunder]

Watching the rebuilding of the D this season reminds me of the line...

"Rise up...Rise up again until Lambs become Lions"

This defense looks like it will become ferocious this coming season.....:rocker:

 

[DropKickFlutie]

for me the big story is are the young guys just not showing a nuff in TC that they are bring in washed up guys like Andre Carter and Ellis ?

The Patriots won their first Superbowl with a washed up starting middle linebacker named Brian Cox, who was also a wily veteran who came from the Jets.

'Washed up' is a subjective term that can quickly change based on a player's environment and surroundings. Remember what Belichick did with Cox, Otis Smith, Ted Washington, Corey Dillon, and Randy Moss

 

[HomerSchooled]

You've got to be freakin' kidding me with this.

Not really kidding, but not really insisting anything, either. Just throwing some stuff out there. Trying to gather some more intel.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

If Ellis is a pass rusher then I didn't get this signing cuz the jest had no pass rush at all last season. Would rather have a run suffer than a existent pass rusher... Maybe bb saw something left and he's not gonna just be for depth.

If Haynesworth comes to play, it's a whole new (one might say unprescendented) game. Haynesworth and Wilfork demanding double teams means guys are either one on one or the opponents keep two or three guys in.

The point about pass rushers is pressure and players who can get coverage sacks. For all the love Matthews gets, people don't seem to acknowledge he gets coverage sacks.

Premier secondary.

Four lineman who can pressure.

Guys who can bring the house.

Everyone should be joyful nobody can figure out if we are 3-4 or 4-3. I hope this holds true in January.

 

[PushnPencils]

The Patriots won their first Superbowl with a washed up starting middle linebacker named Brian Cox, who was also a wily veteran who came from the Jets.

'Washed up' is a subjective term that can quickly change based on a player's environment and surroundings. Remember what Belichick did with Cox, Otis Smith, Ted Washington, Corey Dillon, and Randy Moss

Agreed. Cox's attitude was a huge catalyst in creating the team's persona and attitude. Lunch pail guys that played hard, tough, never gave up and were never intimidated by anyone.

That attitude has been lacking lately to some degree.

 

[Mark Morse]

This is the way the old Redskins use to do it when Joe Gibbs was managing the team. They would trade draft picks for aging veterans, plug them in and just keep plugging along. What terrific flexibility the Patriots defense will have. With Wilfork and Haynesworth pushing the pocket, whoever the DE's are will have a field day. Experience and depth.

This is a brilliant strategy considering that 2nd year players (Cunningham) will not get the big boost from year 1 to year 2 because of the lockout. Additionally, what rookie is going to immediately help out their team (for the same reason ... lockout).

 

[captain stone]

He's not cheaper. He's less expensive. Cheap refers to quality. Inexpensive refers to price. Just saying. ...

I wish that was true.

$4M, for 1 season? You gotta be kidding me, Bill. Whom the hell were you competing against?

 

[Sciz]

I wish that was true.

$4M, for 1 season? You gotta be kidding me, Bill. Whom the hell were you competing against?

Two other teams, reportedly.

 

[24Lockdown]

Either Ellis is D-O-N-E done... OR..all the media puking and blabbering and blithering and fawning, obsequious colon cleansing of Wrecks DeGenerateryan and self proclaimed "genius" Mike Tannenturd is completely erroneous, idiotic,inane big market prostration by morons who shouldn't even be writing up to go orders at Buford's Choke and Puke in Bayonne.

What I'm saying is...read that article...read it again...only an IDIOT let's an Ellis go with anything left in his tank. Only a self aggrandizing,warped, degenerate media whore does NOTHING to stop it.

dude, what are you on?

 

[JoeSixPat]

I wish that was true.

$4M, for 1 season? You gotta be kidding me, Bill. Whom the hell were you competing against?

Obviously at the time the original "analysis" article was written no one knew how much the Patriots were paying him. I also originally thought this would be an incentive laden deal for veteran depth.

At $4-5 million obviously Belichick is expecting more than just quality depth.

I also have to wonder whether BB sees a psychological impact with the loss in the Jets locker room.

While I guess the Jets had some concern about his practice ethic, I think Ellis, as the longest tenured and most consistent member of the Jets D, was pretty popular in a locker room that's seen a lot of changes this offseason.

When other players see a long-time contributor insulted and a 4.5 sack guy lowballed that can have a domino effect with the attitudes of other players toward the organization

So there might be a too-fer here in luring Ellis away.

 

[Joker]

dude, what are you on?

I'm "on" clean fresh air...I'm "on" the side of society that disapproves of open degeneracy, deviance and obscenity being displayed by a fat,loudmouthed, drunken slob who should be wearing a number instead of a "head coach" nameplate. I'm "on" the sideline of fair play, not organized preplanned tripping of opponents in the field of play during games. Im "on" being honest and admitting my errors instead of getting caught redhanded and STILL blaming someone else, someone I'm pathologically jealous of, for MY transgressions.

I'm "on" the side of responsibility concerning parenting and taking care of my children with MY spouse...I'm not "on" the side of running the streets like a stray dog fathering dozens of children with multiple partners, some of whom I cannot even remember their names.

I'm "on" the side of law enforcement concerning drunk driving, having lost a close family member to this CRIME many years ago, a crime that is obviously alien in concept to most Jet players.

Now...let me ask YOU...what are YOU on?

 

[supafly]

Now...let me ask YOU...what are YOU on?

Lots of coke, and even more hookers...

 

[supafly]

Obviously at the time the original "analysis" article was written no one knew how much the Patriots were paying him. I also originally thought this would be an incentive laden deal for veteran depth.

At $4-5 million obviously Belichick is expecting more than just quality depth.

I also have to wonder whether BB sees a psychological impact with the loss in the Jets locker room.

While I guess the Jets had some concern about his practice ethic, I think Ellis, as the longest tenured and most consistent member of the Jets D, was pretty popular in a locker room that's seen a lot of changes this offseason.

When other players see a long-time contributor insulted and a 4.5 sack guy lowballed that can have a domino effect with the attitudes of other players toward the organization

So there might be a too-fer here in luring Ellis away.

Nice analysis, and some great points.

I can also see Captain Stone's POV too though, as some of us certainly feel as though 4 million was a bit too much.

My guess is that there was certainly more than one reason why BB wanted Ellis here, and I'm also guessing that it was a very good reason.

 

[supafly]

Lots of coke, and even more hookers...

Nah, I'm just kidding obviously..no disrespect to the forum.

What I meant to say was a boatload of amyl-nitrate poppers and some airplane glue :rocker:

 

[Joker]

well..it could be worse..you could be Pat Travers

 

[Sciz]

Random question: Which year did the Jets go from 4-3 to 3-4?

 

[NinjaZX6R]

Random question: Which year did the Jets go from 4-3 to 3-4?

2006? when the rat joined the Jets.

 

[supafly]

2006? when the rat joined the Jets.

Yes, I believe this is correct. 06 Season. The funny thing is I'm not even sure why anyone wanted him, as his one yr as DC didn't exactly lead to glory--or anything even close. I actually remember that 2005 team as being sort of mediocre, especially on defense--although I could be wrong.

Still can't believe the whole story/background story etc to this day. What a low scumbag douche.