Miami Cheated

[Keegs]

I just heard on NFL Live about how the Dolphins bought sound clips off someone and they used these, along with game film to figure out Brady's signals for pass protection.

John Clayton just confirmed it (an excellent source of info.)

Sorry if this has already been posted , but i didn't see anything about it

This is bull****.
That is cheating.

No wonder they demolished our line and beat up on Brady.

This is one game that i'm glad i missed.

 

[mgcolby]

I don't know how that is cheating? We can hear Brady yelling out the calls at the LOS on TV. They could TIVO it and get the same result. I do suggest they rename their protections this week.

 

[MrTibbs]

Sure never happened when Charlie was the OC. Patriots did the same thing to Manning for a long time.

 

[PatsDeb]

I can't really say this is cheating either. Perhaps what needs to be done is no microphones near enough to pick up the sounds of the QB's voice. If it is being reported, then Miami looks like it got a cheap win.

 

[Krugman]

I dont see how you can blame the Dolphins for that,thats the Pats fault for making the o-line adjustments so obvious! I'm suprised they were the first to exploit it ,if its that bad.(Hard to argue against that after Sunday).

 

[Welker83]

Actually..the Patriots started it:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphi...nsgamer_1211.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=46

The plan the Dolphins used to once again thwart Brady - all four of his games with fewer than 100 yards passing have come against Miami - actually began last season after New England's 23-16 victory over the Dolphins on Nov. 13.

To this day, the Dolphins are convinced the Patriots stole their defensive signals in advance of that game. That insider knowledge, the Dolphins believe, allowed New England to know Miami was blitzing - and to adjust accordingly - on the game-winning 17-yard touchdown pass from Brady to Benjamin Watson with 2:16 to play.
This week, the Dolphins got even. Instead of just watching the soundless coaches' films to scout the Patriots, Miami purchased films that had audio of the signals Brady gives at the line - specifically the Patriots' signals to the offensive line that control Brady's protection. Armed with that information, the Dolphins listened to Brady's calls Sunday and adjusted where they brought pressure.

"I think that helped a lot," Thomas said.

The Dolphins also spent extra time in practice and meetings installing new blitz packages designed by defensive coordinator Dom Capers and working to disguise what they were going to do against Brady.

"If you show your hand early, he'll burn you," said safety Yeremiah Bell, who had a sack, forced fumble and recovered fumble. "What we wanted to do was kind of play with him a little bit. We know he waits until the play clock gets late before he does anything. So what we did was when he was playing around with us, we were just playing around with him.

 

[mgcolby]

Actually..the Patriots started it:
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphi...nsgamer_1211.html?cxtype=rss&cxsvc=7&cxcat=46

I am still trying to figure out how the Pats stole the Dolphins defensive signals. Do you have any info on that?

 

[pats1]

Already posted twice - no need for another thread:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=46161

http://208.109.107.176/new-england-patriots/messageboard/showthread.php?t=46145

 

[Welker83]

I am still trying to figure out how the Pats stole the Dolphins defensive signals. Do you have any info on that?

Word is that they used a video with sound to "steal" Zach Thomas's blitz calls...

 

[mgcolby]

Word is that they used a video with sound to "steal" Zach Thomas's blitz calls...

Well I guess we now know why BB doesn't let his players get "mic'ed up" very often, if ever. Thanks.

 

[sarge]

If that is what they did, sounds like good game planning to me!

 

[PATSNUTme]

CHEATING BASTARDS!!

I think that I said tht in one of the two threads about this that was posted yesterday.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

I think it was in 2001 when the Raiders went into Indy and deciphered Manning's audibles *during the game*. MLB Greg Biekert was the culprit. After halftime, the Raiders defense completely shut down the Colts and the Raiders won going away.

In the Raiders/Tampa Super Bowl, Raiders coach Callahan kept the same audibles that Gruden has used the year prior. Gruden's Tampa defense knew exactly what Rich Gannon was doing as the Raiders stunk up the joint.

It was our own Willie McGinest who recognized Peyton's hand-waving meant Edge was getting the ball on 4th down in "The Stop" in that critical game in 2003.

You want to call this cheating? Fine, whatever. It's not new and it's going to continue. It won't be long before someone starts monitoring the QB helmet radio communication and relays the info to the D. The key is to always be ahead of the game. Fake 'em out. Heck, Peyton even did this in the 2004 opener by doing the same hand-wave on 3rd and short, causing McGinest to chase Edge into the line as Manning faked the handoff and ran the naked bootleg for 20 yards right where McGinest vacated. Imagine what the Pats could have done if they suspected Miami stole their audibles? They could have taken them for a ride. I consider what Miami did (and making it public) a favor to the Pats because from now on the Pats won't be so stupid to continue with the same audible system, waiting to be taken advantage of by a playoff opponent.

Regards,
Chris

 

[BelichickFan]

If that is what they did, sounds like good game planning to me!

Evidently it is considered "cheating" if you purchase the audio, whatever that means. Versus figuring it out from what you can see on TV. That's what Salisbury said and that ex DB who's on ESPNews. They would know better than me I guess.

 

[lobster]

The Commissioner has the authority under the "Unfair Acts" section to investigate anything "outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football". He can penalize a team or even reverse the win.

 

[Welker83]

I think it was in 2001 when the Raiders went into Indy and deciphered Manning's audibles *during the game*. MLB Greg Biekert was the culprit. After halftime, the Raiders defense completely shut down the Colts and the Raiders won going away.

In the Raiders/Tampa Super Bowl, Raiders coach Callahan kept the same audibles that Gruden has used the year prior. Gruden's Tampa defense knew exactly what Rich Gannon was doing as the Raiders stunk up the joint.

It was our own Willie McGinest who recognized Peyton's hand-waving meant Edge was getting the ball on 4th down in "The Stop" in that critical game in 2003.

You want to call this cheating? Fine, whatever. It's not new and it's going to continue. It won't be long before someone starts monitoring the QB helmet radio communication and relays the info to the D. The key is to always be ahead of the game. Fake 'em out. Heck, Peyton even did this in the 2004 opener by doing the same hand-wave on 3rd and short, causing McGinest to chase Edge into the line as Manning faked the handoff and ran the naked bootleg for 20 yards right where McGinest vacated. Imagine what the Pats could have done if they suspected Miami stole their audibles? They could have taken them for a ride. I consider what Miami did (and making it public) a favor to the Pats because from now on the Pats won't be so stupid to continue with the same audible system, waiting to be taken advantage of by a playoff opponent.

Regards,
Chris

I remember a tampa game this year where rich gannon did the broadcast..he was calling plays before they were happening because gruden was still using some audibles from before...

 

[PatsDeb]

The Commissioner has the authority under the "Unfair Acts" section to investigate anything "outside the accepted tactics encountered in professional football". He can penalize a team or even reverse the win.

Let's lobby for this! Think it will work?!

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Don't complain because our coach is smart and out prepared Belichick. You got beat fair and square. Just accept that ass whooping you took and move on.

 

[edgecy]

Yeah.. I kinda agree with Aqua... this is just a bunch of sour grapes..

 

[Aqua4Ever04]

Yeah.. I kinda agree with Aqua... this is just a bunch of sour grapes..

Yeah, you know damn right that if Belichick had the oppertunity to do this, he would be all over it. What coach isn't looking to get an edge? Every single coach in football would do this if he could. Just Saban doing his job.