Light vs Mankins

[PATRIOTS-80]

Let's assume

(1) both players want to test the FA market.

(2) its probable both will be given silly money.

You can tag only one player. Would you rather tag Mankins, let Light go and play Solder. Or would tag Light for only one year, work Solder in the lineup and let Light go next year. You would get a FA comp pick for Mankins. The FA comp pick probably will be higher for Mankins than for Light.

 

[townes]

The tag requires a huge one year payment, there is no way you give that to Light. Tag Mankins if they can't sign him, if he sits so be it.

 

[BlueThunder]

What are the trade possibilities if Mankins doesn't show for camp ?

How about if he walks as a FA...comp pick...Can Pats pull the franchise tag at this point since he hasn't signed it...

I don't believe he will NOT play under the tag and hope they work out a long term deal that is amicable to everyone....but like fans have said...He's a GUARD.....not the QB or NT or top CB......

Are Pats better with Logan...sure

Are they $10mil better? .... Not likely

Think of what $10mil could buy on defense....

just sayin

 

[BradyFTW!]

They have the same franchise tag number, and Mankins is the better player at the position of greater need.

 

[patfanken]

IMHO the only way that you can keep Light is if you actually could make a sign and trade deal with Mankins that would net you at least a 2nd day pick. THEN Light would have to be willing to play LG and go with Solder at LT. You could then cut Kascur and save his money as well and replace him with a worthy and more economical FA. There will be many out there with starting experience

ranklythat's a lot of IFs. it just seems easier to keep Mankins and let Light walk. If not easier then more likely

 

[sbpatfan]

Trade Mankins to Barfalo for his weight in buffalo wings. Let him rot there with all his cash.

 

[jmt57]

The Pats already tagged Mankins so it's a moot point, isn't it?

If you're suggesting the previous tags are revoked and only one new one can be applied I'd still go with Mankins, even though he is a guard.

Let's look at what the line would look like:

Tag Light:
Light - Connolly - Koppen - Cannon/Wendell/FA - Vollmer

Tag Mankins:
Solder/Vollmer - Mankins - Koppen - Connolly - Vollmer/Solder

Before you mention Kaczur, I've already thought of that. If the Pats can't afford both Light and Mankins, then either (a) they can't afford Kaczur at $4.5m either, or (b) cutting Kaczur helps them to sign both Mankins and Light.

Bottom line is I would prefer the lower option, tagging Mankins. I think opponents would crash the middle of the line and collapse the pocket with alarming ease without Mankins in that lineup. And before you say they did okay last year, keep in mind Stephen Neal was still playing then.

 

[Frezo]

The Pats already tagged Mankins so it's a moot point, isn't it?

If you're suggesting the previous tags are revoked and only one new one can be applied I'd still go with Mankins, even though he is a guard.

Let's look at what the line would look like:

Tag Light:
Light - Connolly - Koppen - Cannon/Wendell/FA - Vollmer

Tag Mankins:
Solder/Vollmer - Mankins - Koppen - Connolly - Vollmer/Solder

Before you mention Kaczur, I've already thought of that. If the Pats can't afford both Light and Mankins, then either (a) they can't afford Kaczur at $4.5m either, or (b) cutting Kaczur helps them to sign both Mankins and Light.

Bottom line is I would prefer the lower option, tagging Mankins. I think opponents would crash the middle of the line and collapse the pocket with alarming ease without Mankins in that lineup. And before you say they did okay last year, keep in mind Stephen Neal was still playing then.

Won't Mankins just sit out the required number of games again? No Thanks.

 

[jmt57]

Won't Mankins just sit out the required number of games again? No Thanks.

Last year Mankins was making less than $100k per game.

Under a franchise tag in 2011 Mankins would forfeit about $650k per game.

There's a big difference between walking away from $10+ million and walking away from $1.5 million.


Mankins does indeed seem to be a guy who tends to hold principles above dollars far higher than most other players, but there's such a big difference in the salaries that I do not expect him to holdout half the season again.

 

[Frezo]

Last year Mankins was making less than $100k per game.

Under a franchise tag in 2011 Mankins would forfeit about $650k per game.

There's a big difference between walking away from $10+ million and walking away from $1.5 million.

I wouldn't put it past him. IMO the Pats need to sign either Light or Mankins and ensure they are in from day one. (whenever that will be)

 

[jmt57]

I wouldn't put it past him. IMO the Pats need to sign either Light or Mankins and ensure they are in from day one. (whenever that will be)

I don't disagree about the possibility of Mankins holding out regardless, and I definitely agree that they need to sign one of them. That brings up another dynamic: if Mankins threatens a holdout, does that give Light leverage? If Light signs elsewhere, does that give Mankins leverage? If Light re-signs, how does that affect the Mankins negotiations? Pissed they paid Light first, or does he have less leverage and accept a little bit less?


The thing is with a player being franchised, the team has time to negotiate; the other person is a free agent and can sign anywhere.

I'd rather be sure I have Mankins for 2011 and roll the dice with re-signing Light than the other way around.

 

[patsfan-1982]

Light is 33 and he's replacement and maybe even upgrade is all redy on the roster, Mankins is 29 and the pats dont even have a good RG on the roster unless Marcus Cannon can play this year the pats need mankins if they want to win a SB this year

 

[randomk1]

Mankins,younger,top player at his position and we already drafted a very good tackle prospect.

I find it annoying how players loyalties lie in cash.

Personally i'd be willing to take less pay(still a ****load) to be a part of a great,winning franchise. Don't players care about achieving something other than earning top dollar? I'd want my career to have somekind of a legacy and and you sure as hell ain't gonna get that playing on some ****ed up team just for the money. Nothing more depressing than losing imo.

 

[supafly]

Mankins,younger,top player at his position and we already drafted a very good tackle prospect.

I find it annoying how players loyalties lie in cash.

Personally i'd be willing to take less pay(still a ****load) to be a part of a great,winning franchise. Don't players care about achieving something other than earning top dollar? I'd want my career to have somekind of a legacy and and you sure as hell ain't gonna get that playing on some ****ed up team just for the money. Nothing more depressing than losing imo.

I agree. Different strokes, different folks, I guess?

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Mankins is the best guard in football and the Pats have no depth behind him.

Pay the beast!

 

[VJCPatriot]

Pats have already tagged Mankins.
In any case I think the only scenario where we could keep Light is if he agrees to a short term deal for middling money. Say around 5m, then we cut Kaczur to make the cap space for Light. The Pats are pretty tight against the cap at 7m under. But they are in a lot better situation than other teams like for example the Steelers at 10m over and the Cowboys at a whopping 18,9m over.

 

[sieglo]

Trade Mankins to Barfalo for his weight in buffalo wings. Let him rot there with all his cash.

Worked with Bledsoe.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I will miss Light. At summer camp, he'd be next to Brady stretching on the practise field and crack him up continuously with his witty repartee. Each summer he'd host a Matt Light shooting day for charity. Watching Asante try (and fail hopelessly) to shoot skeet was hilarious.

 

[satz]

Alot delusional comments. if solder has rookie year that light had and a career like him it will be a awesome pick.people forget that as a rookie light started and we won 3 sb`s during his career.look at manning after his hof LT retired.Same crowd that thinks the next qb drafted will be brady.

Recently in the 07 and playoff games the scheme is to bring the pressure up the middle.the only time brady got injured the pressure came up the middle.

What i think will happen
Light goes to kansas city as FA and then kansas city will be give 2nd or 3rd for sure for mankins and the huge contract he wants. they are so much under the cap and with the new cap floor have to spend ,this upgrades there horrible line .

We can then
sign billy yates to play gaurd and ryan o callanhan to be a backup tackle or play tackle as solder improves.