The worst OL play I have seen in my LIFE

[drew4008]

No doubt about it, I don't think I have EVER seen an OL play so poorly. Brady was under pressure 75% of his dropbacks. We deserved to get dominated today with how poorly we played.

No more losses from now on!

 

[F0nSY]

Absolutely,me too...We OL is patetic!!!

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Stick around. By Thursday Box and Pats1 will have completed their "breakdowns" and it will be revealed we actually pass protected quite well and that Jason Taylor "was not the problem".

 

[BelichickFan]

That group is the one we're all so happy about having signed long term too

Maybe it's time to draft a real LT, move Light to RT and upgrade two OT spots with one pick ?

 

[unoriginal]

That group is the one we're all so happy about having signed long term too

Maybe it's time to draft a real LT, move Light to RT and upgrade two OT spots with one pick ?

Teams move their best rushing ends around to exploit the best match-ups. In this case, if Light were moved to RT to make room for a pass-blocking specialist LT, Jason Taylor would merely switch to the left side of the defense on passing downs.

 

[BelichickFan]

Teams move their best rushing ends around to exploit the best match-ups. In this case, if Light were moved to RT to make room for a pass-blocking specialist LT, Jason Taylor would merely switch to the left side of the defense on passing downs.

First, not all teams do move their DE around like that. Second, it's still better to have the best pass rush not coming from the blind side. Say what you want, you still want, and need, your best pass protector on the left side.

 

[unoriginal]

First, not all teams do move their DE around like that. Second, it's still better to have the best pass rush not coming from the blind side. Say what you want, you still want, and need, your best pass protector on the left side.

You're right about the blind side vs. face side issue, but its mitigated somewhat by Brady's excellent pocket presence. I've seen more than a few plays where he'll step up and away from a blind side rush.

However, most teams do move their DE depending on matchup and blitz packages. Most pertinent to this discussion is Miami, which certainly moves Taylor around - he was spotted schooling both Kaczur and Light this afternoon. As BB said in his press conference: "They do a good job with him in their scheme and make it hard to find him."

 

[mac]

I have followed the Pats since the birth of the franchise, and the display put on by both tackes today was disgraceful, essentially unprofessional. Light could not even lay a hand on Taylor. Kazcur was afraid to hit Taylor.
The media (CBS, NESN, etc.) has lost its collective mind blaming this loss on Tom Brady. The Pats are lucky Brady did not get himself seriously hurt today. If Taylor cannot be handled, then Graham must be assigned to Jason Taylor on every play to help either tackle. Wherever Taylor lines up, Graham must go and double team at all times. If the offense is hampered by playing ten on eleven, so be it. A pathetetic display by the two tackles.

 

[BelichickFan]

However, most teams do move their DE depending on matchup and blitz packages. Most pertinent to this discussion is Miami, which certainly moves Taylor around - he was spotted schooling both Kaczur and Light this afternoon. As BB said in his press conference: "They do a good job with him in their scheme and make it hard to find him."

Miami moves Taylor around. We don't move our DE and OLB side to side much other than when injuries force it. I guess I don't really know how many teams do it.

 

[SNL]

Is there some surprise about Taylor? We play them twice a year, why didn't JM plan a better game plan for the dolphins?!? Try something to catch them off guard, something like a 'hurry up' offense, or if JT is having a great game have the TE stay and block him on every play. JM did a poor job of play calling (again).

 

[unoriginal]

Before we start the umpteenth McDaniels thread bash, maybe we should examine the coach most implicated by the poor blocking scheme employed today by the offensive line - Dante Scarnecchia.

Not only is Scar the man most involved with the offensive line, in many respects he also has greater authority than McDaniels, as he is (at least nominally) the assistant head coach.

This is almost a violation of the sacrosanct, but I think if the buck is going to stop somewhere, some hefty change is due to go to everyone's favorite miracle worker. Today's performance by the tackles reminds me of a Dr. Z quote from a Power Poll a couple weeks back, when the Bears ate the Giants alive, before we got to them. Keep in mind that Zimmerman is a former semi-pro lineman and one of the few national writers that charts line play:

OK, Tom Coughlin has been roasted enough for that foolish field goal try into the wind. But here's my beef, and it was one of the big reasons they lost. You do not, absolutely do not, take one of the two or three worst pass-blocking tackles in the league, Bob Whitfield (who relieved the injured Luke Petitgout in the first quarter) and leave him on Alex Brown without any help. Brown positively feasts on stiffs. It turned the game, created two meaningful sack-fumbles. I can hear the conversation now between Coughlin and his OL coach: "You think he can handle it?" "Yeah, yeah, he'll be OK." No, no and NO! You do not let these guys do your coaching for you. No position coach gets as close to his players as offensive line coaches do, consequently none get as skewed a view. The gallant marine lieutenant and his troops. OK, men, follow me, we'll take this hill! And they all get killed.

If we're going to speculate about just how much malevolent influence McDaniels has when it comes to taking what we think could be an overal offensive scheme worthy of Don Coryell and turning it into an inept abomination of all that is true and good in assertive play-calling, I can't see any harm in wondering whether Dante, in the gameplan meetings this week, perhaps thought that Light and Kaczur "would be fine" against the unfriendly Dolphin edge rush.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Today's game reminded me of the poor blocking efforts vs. Tampa Bay in 1997 and 2000. Absolutely crappy job

Regards,
Chris

 

[DaBruinz]

For those saying that they have never seen an o-line play so bad, I'm sorry, but you must not have been following the Patriots for more than 6 or 7 years. I can remember the Zefross Moss and Sale Isaia years when the O-line was just plain horrible with Bruce Armstrong the only good player on it.

 

[DaBruinz]

The offensive coordinator is supposed to make adjustments and change the play calling. He didnt. END OF STORY

Or Brady, who audibles a lot and is also in charge of recognizing the defenses and calling out the protections, messed up. But, that couldn't be it, could it?

 

[Sean Pa Patriot]

For those saying that they have never seen an o-line play so bad, I'm sorry, but you must not have been following the Patriots for more than 6 or 7 years. I can remember the Zefross Moss and Sale Isaia years when the O-line was just plain horrible with Bruce Armstrong the only good player on it.

That is why I said this is the worst performence of the oline in 6 yrs.. Those lines were like turnstiles back in the day,and they all met at the statue AKA Drew Bledsoe..

 

[Rob0729]

That group is the one we're all so happy about having signed long term too

Maybe it's time to draft a real LT, move Light to RT and upgrade two OT spots with one pick ?

Everyone says draft a real LT, but that is near impossible in today's draft. In the last five years, the draft probably has produced three, maybe four tackles who are better than Matt Light. The draft hasn't produced a dominant All Pro LT since Orlando Pace and Walter Jones.

 

[Rob0729]

Before we start the umpteenth McDaniels thread bash, maybe we should examine the coach most implicated by the poor blocking scheme employed today by the offensive line - Dante Scarnecchia.

Not only is Scar the man most involved with the offensive line, in many respects he also has greater authority than McDaniels, as he is (at least nominally) the assistant head coach.

This is almost a violation of the sacrosanct, but I think if the buck is going to stop somewhere, some hefty change is due to go to everyone's favorite miracle worker. Today's performance by the tackles reminds me of a Dr. Z quote from a Power Poll a couple weeks back, when the Bears ate the Giants alive, before we got to them. Keep in mind that Zimmerman is a former semi-pro lineman and one of the few national writers that charts line play:



If we're going to speculate about just how much malevolent influence McDaniels has when it comes to taking what we think could be an overal offensive scheme worthy of Don Coryell and turning it into an inept abomination of all that is true and good in assertive play-calling, I can't see any harm in wondering whether Dante, in the gameplan meetings this week, perhaps thought that Light and Kaczur "would be fine" against the unfriendly Dolphin edge rush.

I think there is a number of fans who hate McDaniels and whenever the offense has problems, they point the finger at him. I have seen on other boards that it has gone so far that it is his predictable offense and not the players protecting the ball that is the reason we have a fumbling problem.

When the offensive line does a great job at protection like in the Bears game, it is the players stepping up. When they play like crap like yesterday, it is McDaniels' fault. I tend to give the players more of the credit in both cases.

I don't care what gameplan McDaniels called yesterday. It wasn't going to work because the o-line couldn't hold their blocks even in quick passing situations and missed blocking assignments. I put the offensive woes mostly on their shoulders. Others deserve blame including McDaniels, but McDaniels was far from the biggest problem with the team yesterday.

 

[DarrylS]

The Pats line played lousy and were not making the correct adjustments, I also suspect that the TE's and WR's were not making the correct adjustments either and the RB's missed a few blocks... with that being said Miami played incredibly well and once they were let go to get Brady they did not let up. The momentum was clearly Miami's all day, even for field position.

A mediocre team played incredibly well against a good team who played poorly. On any given Sunday; indy was crushed by Jax, the Jets were crushed by the bills, Seattle lost to the Cardinals... it happens folks, even though we were concerned about this game our worst fears came true.

 

[BelichickFan]

Everyone says draft a real LT, but that is near impossible in today's draft. In the last five years, the draft probably has produced three, maybe four tackles who are better than Matt Light. The draft hasn't produced a dominant All Pro LT since Orlando Pace and Walter Jones.

Marcus McNeil looks great for SD, he went #18 in the second round. 14 picks after Chad Jackson

 

[Art_Vandelay421]

Maybe we should stop drafting lineman with the initials ML (...Max Lane!)

Light looked overmatched all day but did anyone see the scramble on the Brady strip/fumble?? - He just stood there and never made an attempt to pounce on the ball.

In reality..I am tring to keep an even keel. Every AFC team is flawed but...we always make it so hard on ourselves...Jets and the Dolts both lose...and all we had to do was take care of business...yeeeshh