Going into free agency roster - at a glance

[cstjohn17]

https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...5BKdAdHV6ZXlIMnNBQ3FNQXNhc0IweWJ6bUE&hl=en_US

Looking quickly expect some competition at interior offensive line, front seven and WR.

 

[patriotscpfc]

Based on the colour system:
Price is an anomaly and should be in average.
Koppen - overrated
Vollmer - underrated
Hernandez -underrated
All the running backs apart from Clayton are underrated
Brace is solid when healthy.
TBC is overrated
Ninko is underrated
Mesko is solid.

I'd say we should make a play for one of the 4 high-end FA WRs who can stretch the field. Floyd may be the best value.

In terms of interior line: Mankins - Koppen - Connelly is fine to me until Cannon is 100%, but it wouldn't shock me to see Bill take a look at Gallery as he loved him in 07.

I'd look at OLB as well, because even though I think Ninko is solid in coverage and not bad against the run, we need a rusher opposite Cunningham.

 

[Triumph]

JMO

Mcourty was voted to the pro bowl. He might have a 2nd year slump but without question is the Pats best CB.

BJGE is solid to very good.

Woody is at least solid. Hes every bit as good as Faulk and I wouldnt call him average.

Solder hasnt proven anything, but I hope hes very good.

Hernandez is very good. Crumpler is solid as a blocker.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Solder who has never, ever taken a snap in the NFL rated Very Good vs Vollmer Solid? Does not compute.

 

[cstjohn17]

Made a few adjustments based on feedback

 

[jeffbiologist]

I dont know about your system, I think it has alot of flaws. SOLID and AVERAGE should likely be combined simply because its subjective anyways. You over rate rookies, injured players and players who have never played in the system. How can you rate any of them above average before they play? If we have 23 players AVERAGE or better(thats ALL starters AND 2nd stringers)why did we have the 25th ranked Defense last year? The OP is so obviously a homer. And why is Meriweather AVERAGE yet you rate his backup as SOLID?? Brown is a bottom of the roster guy who will likely not make this team IMHO. We signed Barrett to an extension, I dont think he is given enough credit simply because he hasnt played for us being hurt. That said I wouldnt value him above bottom of the roster either. And the days of Koppen being above average are over, he was the weak link on the OL last year. Branch isnt far behind. Our TEs are all SOLID, but a higher distinction should be held for those who arent specialists...Gronk could be soon but Herny and Crump are specialists.You wouldnt know from looking at that spreadsheet that we had the 8th ranked offense and 25th defense. Lastly, you have a NOT NFL CALIBER catagory yet you never used it. Do you really think everyone on that chart will play in the NFL this year?? Our castoffs will surely be valued, but as we know what works for us doesnt work for everyone and I can guaranttee there are players that wont make a NFL team. Take off the rose colored glasses please and evaluate again. :bricks:

 

[JoeSixPat]

Solder who has never, ever taken a snap in the NFL rated Very Good vs Vollmer Solid? Does not compute.

It depends on what they want or need him to do.

1st round OLs are usually good risks - it's not much of a stretch to imagine him being a contributor this year - just not the starting LT.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

It depends on what they want or need him to do.

1st round OLs are usually good risks - it's not much of a stretch to imagine him being a contributor this year - just not the starting LT.

I said nothing to indicate Solder could not be a contributor this year. What I feel is irrational is rating him better than Vollmer, apparently strictly on draft position. AFAIK were Light to nor rejoin the Pats, Solder could even be the LT starter this year. But even starting he could simply be Average or Solid as opposed to Very Good. Most of the LTs in the NFL have to be by definition average or worse. And when you look at it this way, the spreadsheet nomenclature needs revision.

BTW, thanks cstjohn17 for the fun football oriented spreadsheet!

 

[ay-yo]

I know he's the forum whipping boy but Meriweather has made the pro bowl twice. If this doesn't make him pro bowl color what does? At the very least he should be upgraded to the very good color.

McCourty also made the probowl last year and should only get better. He deserves the pro bowl color as well.

Overall nice job.

As a side note Welker has an outside chance at making the HOF if he can keep up production for a few more years. If he gets to around 900 catches I see him getting in. I think he has at least 2 more 100 catch seasons in him if he stays on the team. If he wins another ring or 2 with us it'll only improve his odds.

 

[cstjohn17]

I dont know about your system, I think it has alot of flaws. SOLID and AVERAGE should likely be combined simply because its subjective anyways. You over rate rookies, injured players and players who have never played in the system. How can you rate any of them above average before they play? If we have 23 players AVERAGE or better(thats ALL starters AND 2nd stringers)why did we have the 25th ranked Defense last year? The OP is so obviously a homer. And why is Meriweather AVERAGE yet you rate his backup as SOLID?? Brown is a bottom of the roster guy who will likely not make this team IMHO. We signed Barrett to an extension, I dont think he is given enough credit simply because he hasnt played for us being hurt. That said I wouldnt value him above bottom of the roster either. And the days of Koppen being above average are over, he was the weak link on the OL last year. Branch isnt far behind. Our TEs are all SOLID, but a higher distinction should be held for those who arent specialists...Gronk could be soon but Herny and Crump are specialists.You wouldnt know from looking at that spreadsheet that we had the 8th ranked offense and 25th defense. Lastly, you have a NOT NFL CALIBER catagory yet you never used it. Do you really think everyone on that chart will play in the NFL this year?? Our castoffs will surely be valued, but as we know what works for us doesnt work for everyone and I can guaranttee there are players that wont make a NFL team. Take off the rose colored glasses please and evaluate again. :bricks:

No problemo, to each his own, after the first level of depth my ability to evaluate runs out of steam.

I though the Patriots had the 8th ranked defense, and they finished 14-2, maybe I was wrong.
2010 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

The main purpose is to score each player to try and get a feel for where the depth is lacking. Obviously it is subjective but it at least an attempt to paint a picture. My picture says they need help at interior OL, Mankins is a huge priority, OLB sucks and WR is shaky.

 

[jeffbiologist]

No problemo, to each his own, after the first level of depth my ability to evaluate runs out of steam.

I though the Patriots had the 8th ranked defense, and they finished 14-2, maybe I was wrong.
2010 NFL Team Total Stats - National Football League - ESPN

The main purpose is to score each player to try and get a feel for where the depth is lacking. Obviously it is subjective but it at least an attempt to paint a picture. My picture says they need help at interior OL, Mankins is a huge priority, OLB sucks and WR is shaky.

Yes, they had the 8th ranked OFFENSE. Yes, we need at least 1 interior OL in free agency...2 if Mankins doesnt come to terms. Tate and Price should be competing with a FA for 2 spots. We have cap room that we should spend (IMHO)on a OLB or a deep threat WR....if we can replace Mankins we could likely get BOTH! I like your chart, if we could each fill out such a template we would certainly know what we have in common. Good idea, but presented like that it amounts to about as much as a mock draft.

 

[Observer]

My picture says they need help at interior OL, Mankins is a huge priority, OLB sucks and WR is shaky.

I think you hit the nail right on the head with that statement.

 

[cstjohn17]

Good idea, but presented like that it amounts to about as much as a mock draft.

But I like mock drafts...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Yes, they had the 8th ranked OFFENSE.

Not sure you read the chart right, Jeff. The statistic in the link was defense ranked by points and the Patriots were indeed 8th in the 2010 season at 19.6 points per game given up.

 

[Metaphors]

The main purpose is to score each player to try and get a feel for where the depth is lacking. Obviously it is subjective but it at least an attempt to paint a picture. My picture says they need help at interior OL, Mankins is a huge priority, OLB sucks and WR is shaky.

I like the info and format. In that context, your evaluations are entirely reasonable. However, change the focus to roles instead of just positions and things may change a little:

Slater is a scrub WR but is a proficient cover guy in the kicking game.

Ridley is nothing special as a base runner and even less exciting as a FB. However, he should be solid as a short yardage and goal line back. Would be nice to see 3rd-and-2 (or even 4th-and-2) as a viable running down.

While I wouldn't want to see Pryor (or Wright for that matter) at base DE for any significant number of snaps, they do a fine job as 4-3 rush DTs in sub.

Belichick liked Josh Barrett enough to sign him and then sit him for a year. He may not be a consistent safety (yet...he does have top-notch physical skills) but he is excellent in kick coverage.

Put each of these guys in base positions and they end up pretty low on the depth chart. Put them in specific roles they should excel in, that need to be filled and can lead to wins if done exceptionally well...that is what a good amount of the roster is made of.

 

[supafly]

Yes, they had the 8th ranked OFFENSE. Yes, we need at least 1 interior OL in free agency...2 if Mankins doesnt come to terms. Tate and Price should be competing with a FA for 2 spots. We have cap room that we should spend (IMHO)on a OLB or a deep threat WR....if we can replace Mankins we could likely get BOTH! I like your chart, if we could each fill out such a template we would certainly know what we have in common. Good idea, but presented like that it amounts to about as much as a mock draft.

No, jeff--they had the 8th ranked DEFENSE, at least in points allowed scoring. The chart and link that he posted clearly states this, and I believe that is exactly WHY he posted it. Actually NO ONE had a better defense down the stretch of the last 6 games of the season I believe...

As far as the OFFENSE goes, I can't imagine how we wouldn't have been #1 in most of the categories, especially points scored per game, overall points scored etc. They put up 31 or 32 pts per game average.

Didn't they just finish #5 in the history of the NFL in pts scored last year or something close to that effect?? How would that compute to an 8th ranked offense??

 

[supafly]

I like the info and format. In that context, your evaluations are entirely reasonable. However, change the focus to roles instead of just positions and things may change a little:

Slater is a scrub WR but is a proficient cover guy in the kicking game.

Ridley is nothing special as a base runner and even less exciting as a FB. However, he should be solid as a short yardage and goal line back. Would be nice to see 3rd-and-2 (or even 4th-and-2) as a viable running down.

While I wouldn't want to see Pryor (or Wright for that matter) at base DE for any significant number of snaps, they do a fine job as 4-3 rush DTs in sub.

Belichick liked Josh Barrett enough to sign him and then sit him for a year. He may not be a consistent safety (yet...he does have top-notch physical skills) but he is excellent in kick coverage.

Put each of these guys in base positions and they end up pretty low on the depth chart. Put them in specific roles they should excel in, that need to be filled and can lead to wins if done exceptionally well...that is what a good amount of the roster is made of.

Very well said..

 

[sbpatfan]

Your safety rankings are all screwed up. Chung the best safety? Not until he proves it. Meriweather is better than average. And no way in hell is Brown better than Page.