Tressel and the 2011 Supplemental Draft

[TealSox]

It's official: the 2011 Supplemental Draft will be held in July.

In the wake of Tressel's resignation and the 5 game suspension of players - notably Terrelle Pryor - the usually lackluster NFL Supplemental Draft may actually generate widespread media attention. Meanwhile, in the background, players like, Notre Dame WR, Michael Floyd and, Florida CB, Janoris Jenkins are are likely prospects to enter the Supplemental Draft in the wake of their own off-the-field issues.

QB - Terrelle Pryor
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

RB - Daniel Herron
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

WR - DeVier Posey
(Ohio State): 3rd-4th round

WR - Michael Floyd
(Notre Dame): 2nd round

OT - Mike Adams
(Ohio State): 1st - 2nd round

CB - Janoris Jenkins
(Florida): 2nd-3rd round

Not that the Patriots have every been a key player in the Supplemental Draft, but if they were to get involved, the cost would come as low as a 5th round pick - since they traded their 6th and both 7th round picks in 2012. Not that they should, given these players have a propensity for issues - especially Mike Adams, Janoris Jenkins and Michael Floyd.

The real question is, will the 2011 Supplemental Draft create a large enough ripple effect to impact the Patriots 2012 draft?

 

[supafly]

I am guessing that the team will not have much interest.

I am a huge Ohio St fan, and I would not want any of the Buckeye players on this Patriots team.

Posey and Herron are a dime a dozen, maybe Adams on the O-line would be okay, but we just addressed the O-line through the draft in April.

Tyrelle Pryor is as dumb as anyone I have ever seen, he went to one of the local high schools here in Pittsburgh, where I live (he went to Jeanette). I know all about Pryor from living here, and also having lived in Columbus, and continuing to follow the Bucks. Pryor will be a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russel, as Pryor is althletic--but can't throw all that well (especially in the NFL), and like I said--he's just flat out egotistical and stupid. Even Heisman trophy winner Troy Smith was waayyyy better than Pryor, and he barely even got drafted at all. Pryor will fail, at least at the QB position.

I really think that Floyd from ND may have some skills, but I just don't think we'd be in the hunt. Just one man's opinion though, you never know I guess, but I think it's highly unlikely.

 

[HomerSchooled]

Floyd would be awful tempting, even at as high as a second rounder. His behavior issues with alcohol are a concern, but I haven't gotten the impression he's a bad teammate. Just needs to grow up a little. The ND/Weis connection is a definite plus, too.

I think we're good at the position this year, but we should definitely be looking for a receiver in 2012 with Welker and Branch both FAs. A second rounder is a lot, especially in the supplemental draft, but would any second rounder in 2012 be as good as Floyd plus a year's experience on our team? I doubt it.

 

[Off The Grid]

Very good idea for a Thread...

One note, though: Janoris Jenkins is staying, and going to North Alabama.

 

[TealSox]

I apologize for not pasting the link, but the idea was mentioned of moving Pryor to Wide Receiver a la Matt Jones. And ironically, his career could end up as productive as Jones' career. Prior to the suspensions, I felt that Tyrelle Pryor was a prime candidate to pull a Cam Newton and throw up stats that would garner a first round selection.

If Floyd enters the mix, I could imagine a team like San Diego or Chicago jumping into the mix. Meanwhile, teams like Philly are going to keep their eyes on Plaxico, from what I've read.

Personally, I've been a fan of the Supp. Draft. In the past, I've eyed the prospects of selecting Paul Oliver, Jared Gaither, Ahmad Brooks and Tony Hollings. But it makes sense to avoid the Supp. Draft when you consider that, given the scarcity of the market, prices are dangerously unpredictable. In any case, if the Patriots used their 5th on Floyd, I wouldn't be upset win-lose-draw with the outcome.

The lock out and the lack of free agency may also twist the pending Supp. Draft.... while it might go off without as much of a squeak, it may still prove to be of interest to keep tabs on.

Who can explain the contract situations with Supp. Draftees? The team must own the rights of the players, much like they would in the reg. draft, but is there any other facts that would make a Supp. Draftee more enticing to sign financially?

I am guessing that the team will not have much interest.

I am a huge Ohio St fan, and I would not want any of the Buckeye players on this Patriots team.

Posey and Herron are a dime a dozen, maybe Adams on the O-line would be okay, but we just addressed the O-line through the draft in April.

Tyrelle Pryor is as dumb as anyone I have ever seen, he went to one of the local high schools here in Pittsburgh, where I live (he went to Jeanette). I know all about Pryor from living here, and also having lived in Columbus, and continuing to follow the Bucks. Pryor will be a bigger bust than JaMarcus Russel, as Pryor is althletic--but can't throw all that well (especially in the NFL), and like I said--he's just flat out egotistical and stupid. Even Heisman trophy winner Troy Smith was waayyyy better than Pryor, and he barely even got drafted at all. Pryor will fail, at least at the QB position.

I really think that Floyd from ND may have some skills, but I just don't think we'd be in the hunt. Just one man's opinion though, you never know I guess, but I think it's highly unlikely.

 

[supafly]

I apologize for not pasting the link, but the idea was mentioned of moving Pryor to Wide Receiver a la Matt Jones. And ironically, his career could end up as productive as Jones' career. Prior to the suspensions, I felt that Tyrelle Pryor was a prime candidate to pull a Cam Newton and throw up stats that would garner a first round selection.

Well, as I said, I certainly do not believe he's going to make it as 'a QB.' You make a good point that he may do better as a WR, and he is obviously gifted athletically. I would think that many NFL teams would strongly consider moving him to WR, especially after talking to him/interviewing him about his QB'ing skills.

I know for a fact that the Ohio St QB reads, and playcalling were extremely dumbed down for him, and incredibly simplistic. I don't know how much OSU ball you watched, but there were time and time again where he made very errant throws, fumbled, threw picks etc. But yes, of course there were also times when the simple offensive calls worked too, although mostly with his legs. He very well may have a much better shot as a WR etc, but I personally am not too sold on him. I do not make predictions very often, as I certainly am smart enough not to put myself 'out there' like that, especially when scouting and predicting future players. But if I were to make a prediction about anything football related, it would be that Tyrelle Pryor will not succeed as an NFL QB. He may get away with a few good throws every now and then in the NCAA, but not at this level where reads, adjustments, audibles, route cut-offs etc are a major key. And as I said, I am a huge OSU fan, so I am certainly pulling for him, and have no bias.

As far as comparing him to Cam Newton---well, that may be somewhat true. I think they are both pretty much, all 'run-first,' throw second kind of guys. I think both do not fully have a true offense capability, particularly at the NFL level. I do not think either can throw as effectively as many of the other QB's, and are over-hyped due to their tendency to run the ball with QB's run-reads, and simple option plays. We all know that is not going to cut it for too long in the pros, as you will likely get killed pretty quickly...BUT I guess you never know, especially with that kind of athleticism, and I will not argue with the professional scouts who had Cam Newton going 1st overall, as that's what they get paid to do. Those are just a simple fan's opinion, that's all.

 

[TealSox]

BUT I guess you never know, especially with that kind of athleticism, and I will not argue with the professional scouts who had Cam Newton going 1st overall, as that's what they get paid to do. Those are just a simple fan's opinion, that's all.

I'll argue with every professional scout that had Newton going 1st overall and use the arguments of Mike Mayock and other reasonably intelligent analysts that didn't think Newton was the #1 QB, let alone deserved of going 1st overall.

And the reason I quoted the earlier post was to state that, while Pryor will likely fail where ever he is lands, he couldn't be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell because he went 1st overall. Nevertheless, I agree with the essence of the statement.

 

[supafly]

I'll argue with every professional scout that had Newton going 1st overall and use the arguments of Mike Mayock and other reasonably intelligent analysts that didn't think Newton was the #1 QB, let alone deserved of going 1st overall.

And the reason I quoted the earlier post was to state that, while Pryor will likely fail where ever he is lands, he couldn't be a bigger bust than Jamarcus Russell because he went 1st overall. Nevertheless, I agree with the essence of the statement.

Very fair thinking. Personally I am obviously pulling for him, but I have my doubts.

I'd rather look toward Floyd from ND, but at what cost??

I just don't think this team would mess with the supplemental draft too much, but then again, this coach will always do what's best for the team--so nothing's ever really written in stone.

I don't even care, I just want them to solve the damn labor dispute and actually HAVE a supplemental draft. Then we can all feel better, and focus on what looks to be a very promising season.

 

[sbpatfan]

Terrelle Pyror:

Not everybody’s the perfect person in the world. I mean everyone kills people, murders people, steals from you, steals from me, whatever.

Kid has all the athletic ability in the world but absolutely no brains.

 

[Shelterdog]

Personally, I've been a fan of the Supp. Draft. In the past, I've eyed the prospects of selecting Paul Oliver, Jared Gaither, Ahmad Brooks and Tony Hollings. But it makes sense to avoid the Supp. Draft when you consider that, given the scarcity of the market, prices are dangerously unpredictable.

The other problem is that the resources available in the supplemental draft are usually talented knuckleheads-a resouce the patriots undervalue relative to other teams.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'll argue with every professional scout that had Newton going 1st overall and use the arguments of Mike Mayock and other reasonably intelligent analysts that didn't think Newton was the #1 QB, let alone deserved of going 1st overall.

Nicely put.

I've always felt that it's incredibly naive to presume that a professional's opinion always trumps an amateur's.

1 ~ Being a Professional does not necessarily make one competent.

2 ~ And even the very best ~ Coach Belichick ~ makes flat out blunders.

3 ~ And of course being an Amateur hardly precludes superior judgment, as many posters on this very Site often illustrate.

 

[supafly]

Nicely put.

I've always felt that it's incredibly naive to presume that a professional's opinion always trumps an amateur's.

1 ~ Being a Professional does not necessarily make one competent.

2 ~ And even the very best ~ Coach Belichick ~ makes flat out blunders.

3 ~ And of course being an Amateur hardly precludes superior judgment, as many posters on this very Site often illustrate.

I actually do agree, I was just trying to be humble, and not sound too co#ky etc. After all, it is hard to criticize some things as fans, when the supposed 'experts' have more experience, knowledge, options, and tend to know more in general. In this case though, I absolutely think that Cam Newton will be quite the work in progress--to put it nicely. As long as they dumb-down the offense for him, and don't need to him to throw too often, he should be okay He may be able to take more of a hit while running than I am giving him credit for, after all he is a pretty big dude. Personally, I think those guys like Newton and Pryor etc only tend to do well at the college level, but eventually someone will have to do alright at some point, although that doesn't necessarily mean they will succeed either. It's just the law of averages, they can't ALL fail, can they??

If I were a Panther fan (which is a very sobering thought in itself), I much rather would've had one of the nasty defensive guys that went right afterwards, and tried to have picked up a free agent QB--even if that meant a guy like Palmer, Bulger, Kolb, etc. I think that would've made more of a dramatic and immediate impact, then they could've gotten their young QB of the future either later on in this most recent draft, or simply waited until next yr. I surely don't think it's Clausen either, although I wouldn't give up on him just yet either. I'd have probably had him try and learn a bit more behind someone who has actually played and has experience. Hell, even a guy like McNabb may have been a much better decision for the franchise. They could've tried to grab him a weapon or two, who knows? The more I think about it, the more I think the Panthers and Jerry Richardson are just flat out..DUMB as rocks.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Nicely put.

I've always felt that it's incredibly naive to presume that a professional's opinion always trumps an amateur's.

1 ~ Being a Professional does not necessarily make one competent.

2 ~ And even the very best ~ Coach Belichick ~ makes flat out blunders.

3 ~ And of course being an Amateur hardly precludes superior judgment, as many posters on this very Site often illustrate.

This argument would hold water if amatuers had access to the VAST resrouces and materials that the pros do. Youtube clips and media "experts" scouting reports can't hold a candle to what the pros have access to. Nice try though.

 

[Off The Grid]

Nicely put.

I've always felt that it's incredibly naive to presume that a professional's opinion always trumps an amateur's.

1 ~ Being a Professional does not necessarily make one competent.

2 ~ And even the very best ~ Coach Belichick ~ makes flat out blunders.

3 ~ And of course being an Amateur hardly precludes superior judgment, as many posters on this very Site often illustrate.

This argument would hold water if amatuers had access to the VAST resrouces and materials that the pros do. Youtube clips and media "experts" scouting reports can't hold a candle to what the pros have access to. Nice try though.

Just because the concept, despite being a very simple and obvious one, is beyond your capacity to understand, does not mean it doesn't "hold water."

Nice try, though.

***

Put another way: all the information in the world doesn't matter, if your judgment is awful.

***

A simple example: Many of us foresaw that Jamarcus Russell was an awful investment. Al Davis and his crew, despite having literally thousands of times more information, experience, and resources at hand, did not.

Were you able to follow along that time?

 

[TealSox]

The two most important areas for an NFL quarterback are football intelligence and accuracy, and Pryor is below-average in both areas

per McShay NFL draft: Is Ohio State QB Terrelle Pryor ready to play quarterback in the NFL? - ESPN

Don't discount yourself as a scout, Supafly. McShay and you are on the same page when it comes to Pryor. I'm starting to think that Pryor will be the Oakland Raiders next mistake with all this talk.

“I’ve thought all along he was a tight end,” Kiper said.

Mel Kiper projects Terrelle Pryor as NFL tight end - Massillon, OH - The Independent

Kiper goes on and on about Pryor and his athletic prowess, but I'll take a less talented guy that played 3 years at the tight end position rather than four years at the quarterback position. Otherwise, I may consider taking a defensive end, moving him to outside linebacker and having him play tight end on goal line situations.

"He's gotten better each successive year," Millen said, per the Detroit Free Press. "But he's far from a complete package, so he's got some work to do. ... If he would file for the supplemental draft, you would look at him probably from (Round) 4 on, but all it takes is one team to fall in love with him."

Video: Matt Millen says NFL teams would have interest in Terrelle Pryor | Detroit Free Press | freep.com

If I were a Lions fan, I would be happy Matt Millen wasn't in charge right now. I wouldn't put it past him to draft Pryor, creating a QB controversy and ending in both QBs kicked out of town and the Lions sustaining a decade of losing.

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Just because the concept, despite being a very simple and obvious one, is beyond your capacity to understand, does not mean it doesn't "hold water."

Nice try, though.

***

Put another way: all the information in the world doesn't matter, if your judgment is awful.

***

A simple example: Many of us foresaw that Jamarcus Russell was an awful investment. Al Davis and his crew, despite having literally thousands of times more information, experience, and resources at hand, did not.

Were you able to follow along that time?

 

[TealSox]

Sometimes being too close to the situation can cause bad judgement... in the Off Topic Dept., Belichick might had made bad decisions when drafting Darius Butler (for which it appeared he was gushing over) and Chad Jackson (of whom he was made familiar from Coach Meyer).

Meanwhile, back on topic...

throw in a fifth round for Michael Floyd and see what happens. Who would be upset with that when the safe money is on Belichick's ability to pick up additional late round picks on Draft Day?

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Shoot, I'm still laughing at someone using Al Davis as an example of NFL scouting. That's just funny.

 

[Off The Grid]

Shoot, I'm still laughing at someone using Al Davis as an example of NFL scouting. That's just funny.

My point, you recall, was that "It's incredibly naive to presume that a Professional's opinion" ~ you know: guys making the actual decisions ~ "always trumps an Amateur's."

As clearly stated, I used the Raiders only as the best and simplest example, as I was keeping in mind my target audience of one.

~ Raiders ~ Al Davis + his geniuses!!
~ RedSkins ~ Dan Synder + his geniuses!!
~ Lions ~ Matt Millen!!
~ Panthers ~ #33 for #89!!
~ Jets ~ Vernon Gholston!!

Et CETERA.

INCLUDING Bill Belichick, who drafted O'Connell in the 3rd Round, traded a 3rd and a 5th for Derrick Burgess, and numerous other gaffes.

Like I said:

"It's incredibly naive to presume that a professional's opinion always trumps an amateur's."

There is this thing called judgment, my friend.

Even the Great Ones make mistakes.

Sorry if that's too much for you to take in.

 

[ausbacker]

Anyone else try to stop themselves from laughing ridiculously hard during Terrelle Pryor's scripted press conference and Drew Rosenhaus' comments about him?