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And that's the bottom line, because Stone Cold said so....
 
imagine if the Patriots somehow got another 1st rounder for a total of three and Carolina winds up #1 again. would they accept a trade of three 1st round picks for their spot?
 
imagine if the Patriots somehow got another 1st rounder for a total of three and Carolina winds up #1 again. would they accept a trade of three 1st round picks for their spot?

If the Panthers do fall to the #1 pick then they can't afford to pick Luck as #1. Unless there is a rookie salary cap in place...but i doubt they would stay at #1. By picking Newton it's pretty obvious that they believe in his talent and they aren't going to drop him for 1 bad year.

The funniest thing would be if Clausen beats out Newton
 
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Give up 3 1sts and 2 2nds and control of the draft for the next 3-4 years and that's value?

Oh please NFL and players get out of the courts and back to the practice field so we can escape this Season of Unbridled Conjecture And Senseless Speculations (SUCASS for short).
 
Give up 3 1sts and 2 2nds and control of the draft for the next 3-4 years and that's value?

Oh please NFL and players get out of the courts and back to the practice field so we can escape this Season of Unbridled Conjecture And Senseless Speculations (SUCASS for short).
Oh come on Buchanty.. it's fun to speculate. My personal favorite is when some **** speculates on the stock market and shares fluctuate wildly upon that speculation. I love reading the craziest suggestion someone can find and then watching the fallout.

Speculation is great. :p
 
**** Andrew Luck...this guy hasn't played a snap in the NFL..there is no guarantee that this guy will become an elite QB.

HAHA Well played

Hoyer > Luck
 
I don't know whether the Pats should go after Andrew Luck or not. It's too far in the future and there's a lot of other stuff to worry us right now.

But, at some point, I think that we Pats Fans have to address a few questions that aren't easy to confront.

1) How many of those Lombardi's would be sitting in Foxboro without our HOF-calibre QB, Tom Brady? I haven't heard a whole lot of people say that they think Bledsoe, despite his stats, would have brought the Bling to Boston. In fact, quite the opposite.

2) What kind of a team with what kind of performance, even with BB at the controls, would the Pats have been over the last ten years without Brady? Matt took us to an 11--5 season, but that wasn't even enough to get into the playoffs that year. Would we have gone to five CCG's and four SB's with Hoyer or O'Connell or Cassel at QB? I think we all know the answer to that question is a resounding "no." With Bledsoe, the Pats would likely have been another "solid" team, in and out of the Playoffs, making threats at times, but likely never closing the deal, until his retirement in the mid/late 2000's. Think Ravens or even Eagles.

3) So, what do we think this team will be in three or four years, making the realistic assumption that, like virtually every HOF calibre QB of the contemporary SB era, except Brett Favre, TB's best days are well behind him when he hits 37 or 38? That's just four years from now.

I raise those questions because I think at some point we have to accept the fact that maybe the Pats will have to gamble on a top prospect, like Luck, if they are going to have the kind of team we all seem to expect.

Getting Tom Brady at a sixth round salary for two years was sheer luck, no pun intended. The Patriots didn't think they were getting one of the great draft steals of the century when they took him at 199; they were rolling the dice and Belichick has been honest enough to say that they assumed that "something was going on there" when LLoyd Carr didn't give Brady the starting job outright in his senior.

Are we, as fans, really hoping that lightening will strike twice in the same place, and that Belichick will be able to turn a Hoyer or an O'Connell or (now) a Mallett into a HOF-level QB who, by working with his system, will deliver Conference Championships and Rings and MVP trophies?

If not, will we be content with a "solid" team that is regularly competitive but rarely gets to a Championship game?

I think at some point the Pats will have to roll the dice again, this time for a lot more money, if they're going to continue contending for and winning Championships.

Remember. The Cowboys and Steelers are heralded as the two greatest franchises in the NFL, but it was 15 years between Staubach's last ring and Aikman's first; it was 27 years between Bradshaw's last ring and Roethlisberger's first. Is that what we want?
 
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I think it would take probably Ryan Mallet, and I would assume at least 1st next year, 1st the year after, and several other picks to even get the awful team that gets the 1st pick next year to consider this. And I don't see BB doing that. At all.

Unless we can talk to Al Davis and manipulate Mallet's 40-yard dash time to be faster than Luck. Then we'll be good as gold.
 
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I don't know whether the Pats should go after Andrew Luck or not. It's too far in the future and there's a lot of other stuff to worry us right now.

But, at some point, I think that we Pats Fans have to address a few questions that aren't easy to confront.

1) How many of those Lombardi's would be sitting in Foxboro without our HOF-calibre QB, Tom Brady? I haven't heard a whole lot of people say that they think Bledsoe, despite his stats, would have brought the Bling to Boston. In fact, quite the opposite.

2) What kind of a team with what kind of performance, even with BB at the controls, would the Pats have been over the last ten years without Brady? Matt took us to an 11--5 season, but that wasn't even enough to get into the playoffs that year. Would we have gone to five CCG's and four SB's with Hoyer or O'Connell or Cassel at QB? I think we all know the answer to that question is a resounding "no." With Bledsoe, the Pats would likely have been another "solid" team, in and out of the Playoffs, making threats at times, but likely never closing the deal, until his retirement in the mid/late 2000's. Think Ravens or even Eagles.

3) So, what do we think this team will be in three or four years, making the realistic assumption that, like virtually every HOF calibre QB of the contemporary SB era, except Brett Favre, TB's best days are well behind him when he hits 37 or 38? That's just four years from now.

I raise those questions because I think at some point we have to accept the fact that maybe the Pats will have to gamble on a top prospect, like Luck, if they are going to have the kind of team we all seem to expect.

Getting Tom Brady at a sixth round salary for two years was sheer luck, no pun intended. The Patriots didn't think they were getting one of the great draft steals of the century when they took him at 199; they were rolling the dice and Belichick has been honest enough to say that they assumed that "something was going on there" when LLoyd Carr didn't give Brady the starting job outright in his senior.

Are we, as fans, really hoping that lightening will strike twice in the same place, and that Belichick will be able to turn a Hoyer or an O'Connell or (now) a Mallett into a HOF-level QB who, by working with his system, will deliver Conference Championships and Rings and MVP trophies?

If not, will we be content with a "solid" team that is regularly competitive but rarely gets to a Championship game?

I think at some point the Pats will have to roll the dice again, this time for a lot more money, if they're going to continue contending for and winning Championships.

Remember. The Cowboys and Steelers are heralded as the two greatest franchises in the NFL, but it was 15 years between Staubach's last ring and Aikman's first; it was 27 years between Bradshaw's last ring and Roethlisberger's first. Is that what we want?

No team stays at the top forever. 49ers,Steelers,Cowboys...it's inevitable. The best we can hope for is a few more championships from Brady before
our time is over.

Going all out on 1 player will not be some miracle fix. If Luck turns out to be a failure(bust,injuries,just mediocre,whatever.) we would be in a bigger hole and for a far longer time. The fact that we got Brady as a 6-th round pick and have him grow into the player that he has become is just amazing luck for us.
 
RYAN MALLET is that guy...


sign a 5 yr contract to ride bench... DRUG CLAUSES IN IT.




HOYER WILL GET US A 2ND ROUNDER THIS YEAR. I PROMISE IT.

You really aren't giving up on his contract are you?

3rd or 4th time I have read the same thing! :D

p.s. yayyy 3000th post :D
 
No team stays at the top forever. 49ers,Steelers,Cowboys...it's inevitable. The best we can hope for is a few more championships from Brady before
our time is over.

Going all out on 1 player will not be some miracle fix. If Luck turns out to be a failure(bust,injuries,just mediocre,whatever.) we would be in a bigger hole and for a far longer time. The fact that we got Brady as a 6-th round pick and have him grow into the player that he has become is just amazing luck for us.

Thanks for an honest and straightforward answer. I think you describe the likely future of the Pats post Brady without gambling on an expensive pick at the top of the draft. Any Belichick team will be solid and competitive in its Division year after year, but without a Brady, January games for the Conference or League Championship will be less frequent.
 
RYAN MALLET is that guy...


sign a 5 yr contract to ride bench... DRUG CLAUSES IN IT.




HOYER WILL GET US A 2ND ROUNDER THIS YEAR. I PROMISE IT.

Unless the rules for contracts change, Mallett will be limited to a 4 year deal. If I am the Pats, I only sign him for a 3 year deal so that, in three years, you have a good idea of what you have and still have some modicum of control over where Mallett ends up.
 
If Luck continues his play IMO he'll be a franchise QB for years. With that being said I wouldn't give up all of that for any 2 prospects
 
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If Luck continues his play IMO he'll be a franchise QB for years. With that being said I wouldn't give up all of that for any 2 prospects

Having a cannon-arm means nothing, if you cannot make smart decisions, and panic in the pocket... You need to be a leader so that the Offense trusts you. There are intrinsic traits that makes a QB successful in the NFL.

Can you truly believe that Mallett has all of these traits? It's too early to tell...

As for Luck, I'd rather have Luck than Mallett, as Patriots next QB.

Maybe Patriots give their 2-#1's and Mallett for the #1 or #2 pick, to select Luck?
 
Having a cannon-arm means nothing, if you cannot make smart decisions, and panic in the pocket... You need to be a leader so that the Offense trusts you. There are intrinsic traits that makes a QB successful in the NFL.

Can you truly believe that Mallett has all of these traits? It's too early to tell...

As for Luck, I'd rather have Luck than Mallett, as Patriots next QB.

Maybe Patriots give their 2-#1's and Mallett for the #1 or #2 pick, to select Luck?

Its also way to early to tell. Luck may come out and underwhelm this season and find himself as a mid top 10 pick. He really reminds me of a more polished version of Aaron Rodgers coming out of Cal. Both he and Mallett can make all of the throws but the thing that separates the two are mobility and their heads. Luck is the model QB prospect.
 
I heard a better,more realistic rumor that the Pats were interested in QB John Edward Moynahan coming out of the 6th round of the 2031 draft and are keeping close eye on a Senior star QB in high school name Benjamin Brady expected to be draft eligible as a junior in 2034

Ah but by then the Patriots will have 15 first round picks....

Actually I expect that the Patriots will trade Mallet for a first rounder and that trade may even happen this year if some team is desperate and Mallet has a great pre-season (in the unlikely even that there is a pre-season).
 
"Schefter says the Patriots could offer two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a first-round pick the following season to the team with the first overall selection -- if the drafting team is set at the quarterback position."

I stopped reading after this. 3 1st round picks and 2 1st round picks for Luck. Yeah the Falcons might be willing to fork over their shirt and underwear and kitchen sink, but BB doesn't do those types of trades unless he's the one receiving all the picks. DUMB story. DUMBER idea. I don't see why anyone would buy this happening.
 
"Schefter says the Patriots could offer two first-round picks, two second-round picks and a first-round pick the following season to the team with the first overall selection -- if the drafting team is set at the quarterback position."

I stopped reading after this. 3 1st round picks and 2 1st round picks for Luck. Yeah the Falcons might be willing to fork over their shirt and underwear and kitchen sink, but BB doesn't do those types of trades unless he's the one receiving all the picks. DUMB story. DUMBER idea. I don't see why anyone would buy this happening.

Not to worry, as Schefter points out, even those picks are not enough to tempt anyone to give up Luck. There is little dispute that he is the best QB to enter the NFL in the last 10 years. No one is giving up that guy no matter how many late firsts or seconds you throw in.
 
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