Carter and Williams

[jah]

Who knows anything about our 6th and 7th rounders, Markell Carter and Malcolm Williams? Are they any good? Any potential to make the 53?

 

[Picone's Patriots]

i like carter, obviously he played against medicore oponents as he played at a division 2 school but in his highlight video he dominated those teams. Im rooting for him to make the team but obviously training camp and pre-season will show if he has what it takes or not.

 

[mgteich]

I will go out on a limb. Neither has any chance of making a 53 man roster.

 

[Dufflebagz]

Carter has a slight chance to make the team.......Williams will have to be the best STer on the team if he wants to make the team.

 

[patsox23]

Loved Carter's post-draft P.C. Smart as hell, well-spoken. So if we need, ya know, someone at the mic for a team function, at least we know we're covered there.

 

[Brettlax3434]

Carter has a slight chance to make the team.......Williams will have to be the best STer on the team if he wants to make the team.

I don't think we can say that at this point. I am sure BB will give Williams every chance to compete for a CB job. Butler has done nothing to justify his early selection. Arrington did a good job for us last season but I wouldn't guarentee his roster spot either.

 

[Dufflebagz]

I don't think we can say that at this point. I am sure BB will give Williams every chance to compete for a CB job. Butler has done nothing to justify his early selection. Arrington did a good job for us last season but I wouldn't guarentee his roster spot either.

He didn't even play CB/S at TCU, that's his listed position but he never got on the field.

 

[Brettlax3434]

He didn't even play CB/S at TCU, that's his listed position but he never got on the field.

I thought he played the slot?

 

[Dufflebagz]

I thought he played the slot?

From what I've heard he was a top CB when he was at a Junior College but when he got to TCU he only played ST. If he got on the field as a CB or S I don't think he recorded any stats.

 

[sg14]

Agreed on the press conf,, very well spoken

I think both of these guys fit the "pick the best athelete type", ala Dane Fletcher. I say that having never seen them, but isn't that the Pats MO??

And would not bet against these guys given the front office track record.

I don't understand who the Pats draft, but every year there are training camp surprises from lower rounds.

Loved Carter's post-draft P.C. Smart as hell, well-spoken. So if we need, ya know, someone at the mic for a team function, at least we know we're covered there.

 

[DaBruinz]

From what I've heard he was a top CB when he was at a Junior College but when he got to TCU he only played ST. If he got on the field as a CB or S I don't think he recorded any stats.

Williams had 14 solo tackles and 7 assisted tackles in 25 games at TCU. Not that tackles mean a lot.

I believe he was primarily a special teams demon. We'll just have to wait and see.

As for Carter, he's a project. He doesn't seem to have a lot of explosion (1.71 10 yard split) but he has good strength based on his vertical (35 1/2") and his Broad Jump (10'01). He also seems to be the prototypical size (6'4 3/9) and weight (252) that we fans have bandied around for the past 6-8 years. One bonus for his is that he's got 34-in. long arms.. So, while he may get cut, I would expect him to be brought back to the practice squad.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don't think we can say that at this point. I am sure BB will give Williams every chance to compete for a CB job. Butler has done nothing to justify his early selection. Arrington did a good job for us last season but I wouldn't guarentee his roster spot either.

Arrington is a special teams ACE as well as being somewhat capable as a spot starter at CB. He's 3rd on the depth chart at CB. He's not going anywhere.

People who have to worry about their jobs would be Lockett, Barrett, Brown, Slater, Butler and Wilhite. But in all likelihood, Butler, Slater and Wilhite will still be on the team at the end of the day.

Butler, while he took steps backward early on, did make strides toward the end of the season.

 

[Dufflebagz]

Williams had 14 solo tackles and 7 assisted tackles in 25 games at TCU. Not that tackles mean a lot.

I believe that those tackles were all on ST though.

 

[Sciz]

Both will have to make it as special teamers, and you can't rule out anybody there.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Carter has a slight chance to make the team.......Williams will have to be the best STer on the team if he wants to make the team.

Agreed.!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BaltimorePatsFan]

Carter seems to have the size/athleticism to play in the NFL, but we won't know whether he can play or not until he gets on the field.

Williams, on the other hand, sounds like he's another Matt Slater and I really don't think the Pats need another guy that can only play ST, especially after Tracy White's pretty good season.

 

[Sfpat]

As I understand, Williams originally signed with Oklahoma (and I believe was highly recruited out of HS) but for whatever reason failed to enroll. He spent two years at a JC before transferring to TCU. There appears to be raw ability that hasn't been developed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Carter seems to have the size/athleticism to play in the NFL, but we won't know whether he can play or not until he gets on the field.

Williams, on the other hand, sounds like he's another Matt Slater and I really don't think the Pats need another guy that can only play ST, especially after Tracy White's pretty good season.

Tracy White is a UFA. If he re-signs with the Pats, it will be a non-issue. I hope he does because we haven't had a player like him since Larry Izzo.

 

[DaBruinz]

As I understand, Williams originally signed with Oklahoma (and I believe was highly recruited out of HS) but for whatever reason failed to enroll. He spent two years at a JC before transferring to TCU. There appears to be raw ability that hasn't been developed.

Yes. Williams was considered a 4-star College prospect and did sign with Oklahoma after originally committing to Texas A&M. Why he didn't go is something I haven't found out and is not listed on NFLDraftscout.com

Found part of an article on Rivals.com that makes it sound like Oklahoma dropped the ball after Williams committed to them.. but not having the whole article, it's just my speculation.

 

[mgteich]

ST is about competition just like any other roster spot. First Tracey White could get re-signed. As someone else posted, there are lots of other players competing for special teams only spots: Brown, Lockett, Slater, Barrett and Wilhite. We may continue to keep 2-3 of these players, or not. This year, we might keep 3 QB's, 4-5 RB's plus 4 TE's, squeezing the positions available for special teams only players.

That being said, I expect us to keep two guys like White and Slater. Neither of these two seems likely to overtake all these guys.

Both will have to make it as special teamers, and you can't rule out anybody there.