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I agree that he may not be worth the #33 pick, I just can't see him falling to #60. Someone will take a chance on him before then, I guarantee it. At the end of the day though, I hope to see this guy get drafted, it would be a pretty sad story to see him go from projected #1 to un-drafted.
 
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From what I've heard, Bower's knee condition is like a 'ticking time bomb'. That explains why he dropped out of the 1st round entirely. The real question is how long does it take him to transition to the pro game. Because if the shelf life on his knee is 3-5 years tops, by the time he makes the adjustment, if it takes him a couple of years, Bowers will have what 1-3 productive years of playing time for you? That's the ultimate 'rental' pick.

Obviously the sooner he makes the transition the more valuable he becomes. But he's not a guy who's gonna be around for a second contract so he needs to become an immediate contributor. The risks to drafting Da'Quan Bowers are substantial.
 
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DaQuan Bowers

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THAT...is where I'd like to see us pull the trigger on DaQuan Bowers, gentlemen.

IF...

And ONLY if we've already scooped up Greg Romeus.

...with an additional 4th that we pick up over the next 24 hours.

#125.

Or any place in the 4th Round.
 
He's kind of pudgy and slow and a one year wonder with a bad knee...

No thanks. Not with any pick. Yeah, he had a lot of TFL and sacks, so did Crable.
 
His knee must be serious garbage is he's slid this far. I can't help but come to the conclusion that it is the worst type of knee injury, degenerative and/or althritic as people have said. The guy is an animal on the field. Man someone is going to either be real happy, or wasting a pick when they take him.
 
His knee must be serious garbage is he's slid this far. I can't help but come to the conclusion that it is the worst type of knee injury, degenerative and/or althritic as people have said. The guy is an animal on the field. Man someone is going to either be real happy, or wasting a pick when they take him.
 
Interesting guy. Totally dominant production, but only for one year and he was mostly beating Right Tackles. The guy could be Bruce Smith or Michael Strahan. But with the injury concerns...

I don't want him, but I'll totally change my tune if we pick him. Ceiling isn't much higher than say Allen Bailey's, but his floor is about as low as it gets.
 
His knee must be serious garbage is he's slid this far. I can't help but come to the conclusion that it is the worst type of knee injury, degenerative and/or althritic as people have said. The guy is an animal on the field. Man someone is going to either be real happy, or wasting a pick when they take him.

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Heard on the Radio that over 10 teams have him off their boards. Its that bad...
 
Flanagan's statement:
While we generally reserve discussions on client medical information to club decision-makers and physicians, in the interest of clarity, we would like to share the following facts regarding Da'Quan Bowers. Importantly, NONE of the following is news to NFL decision-makers or team doctors. All 32 NFL Clubs have had full access to Da'Quan's records since January and have had the opportunity to physically examine him at least twice. As such, they have known the specifics detailed below for quite some time.
On January 4, 2011, Da'Quan underwent an arthroscopic procedure that included what is, technically, a very small chondroplasty to a non-weight bearing area of his knee. The surgeon, Dr. Larry Bowman, observed, arthroscopically, a very healthy knee with no signs of arthritis. Based on the specifics of Da'Quan's knee and the small size of the area addressed, it was described to us as follows: while chondroplasty can involve "drilling", Da'Quan had the equivalent of "scratching". In other words, along the continuum, it was very minor. So minor that Da'Quan was off crutches and bearing weight only 3 days after surgery. Thereafter, Da'Quan progressed on a conservative rehab protocol that emphasized protection of the healing process, as opposed to the typical combine prep performance training.
As to his progress and the feedback from the medical recheck, every team we've spoken to, including multiple GMs, has said that, overall, Da'Quan's knee has shown good healing, has continued to get better since the Combine, and, perhaps most importantly, showed absolutely no acute or remote ill-effects as a result of his April 1 workout (i.e. no swelling, no increase in laxity, etc.). We know of at least two "stations" (multiple doctors) at the recheck who improved his grade from the Combine. In short, their doctors indicated that the fact that the knee didn't swell up after a full pro-day workout, followed immediately by a week of visiting teams via air travel (which can increase swelling) is clearly a very positive sign.
Bottom line: if it's holding up from a pounding in April, it should clearly hold up in August..
As to films, the Combine films showed no onset of arthritis and since Da'Quan had no swelling, contrary to some reports, or other symptoms at the recheck, no new films were taken.
At the recheck, there was the expected finding of a strength deficit in his right (surgical) leg as compared to his left, as measured by the Cybex test. But each person who has mentioned this deficit has also stated the following: (1) that this deficit is simply a muscular deficit due to "detraining effects" (lost strength because he was limited by rehab protocol), (2) that Da'Quan will regain his normal strength in the right leg, and (3) that there are questions as to the validity of isokinetic testing like the Cybex in the first place. So, as with all the findings, each club will weight this very differently.
The reality is that clubs will ultimately judge Da'Quan's workout on April 1 and the recheck in the context of the training limitations placed upon him by the medical team overseeing his rehab, including Dr. James Andrews. The fact that Da'Quan spent the VAST majority of his time prior to April 1 focused on rehabilitation, NOT performance or strength training, is significant. This focus was designed to ensure complete healing and protect the long-term integrity of Da'Quan's knee, something that benefits both Da'Quan and the club that selects him. And, in this context, while his numbers were not satisfactory to Da'Quan or indicative of his true athleticism, he still managed to perform a 34.5" vertical jump and a 7.1 three-cone on raw ability.
Obviously, sources and opinions on any prospect with a medical history will vary from team to team, doctor to doctor, trainer to trainer and GM to GM. We have received no reports of "arthritis" being present. We have received no indications that Da'Quan will need another surgery. No team has even remotely suggested to us that he's a risk in year one or will need a redshirt year. Clearly there are both objective and subjective sides to every medical issue. Given that context, we understand that comfort-levels will vary team by team. Dr. Andrews' comfort-level was such that he said Da'Quan should "be able to resume his professional football career without any problems" and that he has a "good prognosis for his career."
Again, NONE of this is news to the NFL decision-makers or team doctors. All 32 NFL Clubs have had full access to Da'Quan's records since January and have had the opportunity to physically examine him at least twice. With this knowledge, Top 10 teams brought him in all last week and continue to bring Da'Quan in for visits this week. All of these clubs are strongly considering selecting him with their first pick, not based upon a potential medical downside, but because of Da'Quan's film, smarts, character and tremendous physical upside


I know its a statement from his agent but the surgical details are the best that I've found.

The surgery actually sounds reasonably minor to me, especially compared to the damage and required proprioceptive compensation that can occur in ligament ruptures. He decided to have a conservative rehabilitation period and muscle strength is inhibited following any knee surgery or injury so that's not surprising, although he has had 4 months to rehab it now and he seems to be on track. I've heard people say he lacked hyperextension at his pro day workout which is interesting and can indicate problems, but also can be rehabbed.

Makes me wonder what exactly is going on and if i'm missing something here. A simple meniscus tear which is what was originally reported with a little cartilage tidy up does not seem to merit the response we have seen. I have helped rehab a lot worse. But then again I'm not paying him millions and it's safe to say a 20 stone behemoth playing a violent sport puts more strain on his knee than the average bear.

If he's a scheme fit, and as good as everyone was saying a few months ago. He may be a steal at 33.
 
The surgery actually sounds reasonably minor to me

While I obviously don't know the details, his procedure is generally used to manage a condition in the knee, not correct it. Effectively think of it as buying time. Getting this done in your 30's to extend your career is one thing. It is an extreme red flag in a 21 yo dude.

While the procedure may sound minor (anyone else have a Monty Python flashback? Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off. You lie. Have at you!) it is the underlying condition that required the procedure that is the concern. If he really has a healthy knee and this was a minor cleanup procedure with no future arthritic concerns, he isn't sitting here at #33.
 
Hey let's say someone drafts him in the second rnd and he's a big time impact player, then after 3-4 years his career is over cause of his knee. Would you call him a second round bust? I wouldn't if i got 3 or 4 years of great DE play. Its more likely he'll succeed than your average second day pick.

3-4 years of an impact player is a resounding success for a second round pick. Any time you get any starting production outside the first round, its a success.


I just don't think you let Bowers get outside the second. The ceiling is too high. This is exactly the sort of picks the Patriots can afford to make because they have so many picks.

His knee blowing up is no worse than picking a kid who just isn't that good.
 
While I obviously don't know the details, his procedure is generally used to manage a condition in the knee, not correct it. Effectively think of it as buying time. Getting this done in your 30's to extend your career is one thing. It is an extreme red flag in a 21 yo dude.

While the procedure may sound minor (anyone else have a Monty Python flashback? Tis but a scratch. Your arm's off. You lie. Have at you!) it is the underlying condition that required the procedure that is the concern. If he really has a healthy knee and this was a minor cleanup procedure with no future arthritic concerns, he isn't sitting here at #33.

That's true.

I'm think I'm just intrigued to exactly what he has done and am trying to clinically reason. Colour me curious. The reason why is that knee arthroscopies are not uncommon for college players entering the NFL. Terrance Cody had one last year and Mark Ingram this year off the top of my head, and they didn't red flag. It is also not uncommon for current players, even 2nd and 3rd year players.

The meniscus is a strange piece of human anatomy though with a poor blood supply in places and the tendency to tear awkwardly. It can affect biomechanics and lead to uneven joint wear and further problems in joint intergrity, it is also a rubbish healer if torn in the wrong spot. The chrondroplasty to a non weight bearing part of the knee, ummm. But it wasn't bad enough to stop him playing this season so it wasn't a wildly unstable tear. Maybe he has something more chronic though. Orthopaedics are not my speciality, but it doesn't take one to guess if he freefalls again it's bad.

Thanks for the response, I can't help wondering where/if he sits on the Pats board following the first day review, with the amount of picks BB has i suppose we'll find out to a degree.
 
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You're right, further down in the draft he might be a decent pick, and if you have the personnel to give him enough time to rehab.
 
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