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My guess would be either the #74 or #92 or the extra 3rd we get from trading down from the #28 into the 2nd round. One of these may be traded for a 2012 2nd.
Next best guess is that we accept a 2012 6th or 7th as the "small change" that equalizes the value of a larger deal.
What I don't see is BB accepting a 2012 1st or 2nd as the major part of the compensation deal for either the #28 or #33.
With regard to 28 or 33, does it make a difference whether we accept a 2012 second or a 2011 3rd as part of our compensation? I wouldn't think so given that we intend to a 3rd or two into 2012. BTW, I could 60 being traded into 2012.
In any case, I would like to see 2 additional 2012 2nds.
With regard to small change, I want 2011 7th's to get a jump on the UDFA market. The players can contact the draftees. There is no such options for UDFA's.
Assuming that there is still a draft and not a Free Agency situation for seniors and draft eligible juniors. You seem to be neglecting the very basic fact that if the judge sides with Brady in Brady v NFL, the court system has the ability to run train on the infrastructure created by the NFL to bring in college talent. Hopefully it will never come to it, but consider that we are looking at a labor situation that has a group of owners of what should be independently operating entity's acting together (i.e. collusion) in an attempt to fix wages for labor participants. That's a pretty awful position for the NFL to be caught in
Point blank, trades for high draft picks in 2012 are a mistake in this years draft. The landscape is very much uncertain and with a reasonably deep draft and plenty of ammunition, the focus shouldn't be on building draft stores for 2012 but rather finding the players who can make an impact for you now.
With regard to 28 or 33, does it make a difference whether we accept a 2012 second or a 2011 3rd as part of our compensation? I wouldn't think so given that we intend to a 3rd or two into 2012. BTW, I could 60 being traded into 2012.
In any case, I would like to see 2 additional 2012 2nds.
With regard to small change, I want 2011 7th's to get a jump on the UDFA market. The players can contact the draftees. There is no such options for UDFA's.
IMO, one way or the other, the Patriots will end up with a couple of picks (possibly 2nd and/or 3rd round) for 2012. I hope the first couple of rounds fall the right way and they can pick up their DE, OLB and OG/OT and then start moving picks around. Free agency will be back sooner or later and we can expect they'll be active in filling out the bottom of the roster that way.
We have 5 picks in 2012. Kraft wants more. We trade forward more than any team in the league. We have (and will have even more) picks that we will likely trade into 2012. Get used to it!
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Consider a scenario. We trade down once and pick up a 3rd and trade the 3rd acquired plus #92 into 2012. That would leave us with ONLY four picks in the first two rounds of 2011 and additional picks in rounds 3, 4, 5 and 6.
I am certainly satisfied with eight 2011 draftees, although I would expect an additional late pick or two for a second trade down.
You are certainly free to come back in a week and again point out why Kraft and Belichick have made mistakes in their analysis of the CBA situation. After all, I'm sure that you think that you have a better persperctive than they do.
IMO, one way or the other, the Patriots will end up with a couple of picks (possibly 2nd and/or 3rd round) for 2012. I hope the first couple of rounds fall the right way and they can pick up their DE, OLB and OG/OT and then start moving picks around. Free agency will be back sooner or later and we can expect they'll be active in filling out the bottom of the roster that way.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention that BB can always use the additional 2012 picks to trade for players this season.
My dream would be to draft Ingram and snag Demarcus Ware from Dallas.
Assuming that there is still a draft and not a Free Agency situation for seniors and draft eligible juniors. You seem to be neglecting the very basic fact that if the judge sides with Brady in Brady v NFL, the court system has the ability to run train on the infrastructure created by the NFL to bring in college talent. Hopefully it will never come to it, but consider that we are looking at a labor situation that has a group of owners of what should be independently operating entity's acting together (i.e. collusion) in an attempt to fix wages for labor participants. That's a pretty awful position for the NFL to be caught in
Point blank, trades for high draft picks in 2012 are a mistake in this years draft. The landscape is very much uncertain and with a reasonably deep draft and plenty of ammunition, the focus shouldn't be on building draft stores for 2012 but rather finding the players who can make an impact for you now.
I voted that Bill somehow has a moment of clarity and does not trade any of his picks into 2012.
He needs all of them this year to fill the open, infected holes at OLB, OL & DE.
As far as trading down goes, BB is playing chess while the rest of the league is playing checkers.
What his did last year was remarkable. It was literally slight of hand magic. We went into that draft with a low first round - 3 second rounders and ZERO 3rd rounders.
Well BB drove us all nuts with his numerous trades, but at the end of the day, we still wound up with a low end first rounder. We still had 3 second rounders though all in different positions. BUT NOW we suddenly have 2 THIRD round selections, which he THEN turns one of them into this years 33rd pick in the draft AND that doesn't count STILL having a pick in every round and ending the day with 4 7th rounders
Forget about the quality of the players we got. Just think about how he played the game, which included a couple of trade UPs as well, most notably to get Gronkowski
We certainly rarely get the players we expect. And some drafts have been "better than others". But it is always a pleasure to watch the way the Pats manipulate the draft to our advantage. Creating 2 3rd round picks when we started with none and STILL have the same number of picks in the first rounds that you started with is simply remarkable......and very cool