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Walker of ESPN, reporting that Patriots will host QB Mallett from Arkansas next week for a visit in Foxboro. Two day visit with Jake Locker in Foxboro was completed last week, according to Walker.

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I will be :eek: if the Pats take Mallett.
 
Locker visiting for two days, Mallett visiting for two days, Dalton PW, Stanzi PW, the kid from Sacred Heart, Potts PW, Weber PW, Van Camp PW, they've looked at Colburn, Chappell, Froman, ... and those are the guys we've found digging through the media. The hunt for the next Tommy Brady is ongoing and relentless.

I really think, as always with BB, it depends on value. Mel Kiper has 6 QBs going in the first 40 picks. If that happens I don't think BB scrambles to spend his 60th pick ( 2nd round ) for the #7 QB in the draft. If by some miracle Mallett or Dalton fall to the top of the third round, BB jumps on that value. Same feeling if Stanzi is there at the bottom of the third.

If BB uses either of his third round picks on a QB, it will be the highest pick ever used on a QB during the BB era.
 
NFL comparison: Kevin O'Connell

I will be :eek: if the Pats take Mallett.

FWIW, Phil Simms said yesterday that if Mallett does not turn out to be one of the best 10 players of the draft..............he would retire.
 
Walker of ESPN, reporting that Patriots will host QB Mallett from Arkansas next week for a visit in Foxboro. Two day visit with Jake Locker in Foxboro was completed last week, according to Walker.

Which pretty assures that they won't be drafting them. Who cares about pre-draft visits? I would love to see the list of all the highly publicized visits they have had with players in Foxboro vs. the ones they actually drafted. I bet the percentage of Patriots draft picks that were reported to have visited prior to the draft is relatively low.

The popular talk right now is that the Pats are in love with Mark Ingram and if he is available at 28th, there is no chance they will pass on him and that his visit last week was to extensively examine his knee because they love him so much.

Also, Belichick was on Sirius NFL radio today and he specifically talked about the number of QBs potentially taken as it relates to him trading one of his top 3 picks. He made it sound like if a highly touted QB is available, he is going to try to trade out of the pick. Again, pre-draft talk can be a misdirection.

I seriously doubt the Pats are going to use a first or second round pick on a QB. I would be shocked if they used any of their top 3. There are too many teams going to pursue the top picks and Brady has at least 3-4 more years at an elite level barring injuries (probably closer to 4-6 years).
 
Locker visiting for two days, Mallett visiting for two days, Dalton PW, Stanzi PW, the kid from Sacred Heart, Potts PW, Weber PW, Van Camp PW, they've looked at Colburn, Chappell, Froman, ... and those are the guys we've found digging through the media. The hunt for the next Tommy Brady is ongoing and relentless.

My theory (and it might not be a good theory!) is it's all just scouting and note-taking for guys the Patriots will be facing down the road. I mean, you know you're going to play against these guys eventually; what better way to find out what makes them tick (or not) than some face time? :D
 
I really think, as always with BB, it depends on value. Mel Kiper has 6 QBs going in the first 40 picks. If that happens I don't think BB scrambles to spend his 60th pick ( 2nd round ) for the #7 QB in the draft. If by some miracle Mallett or Dalton fall to the top of the third round, BB jumps on that value. Same feeling if Stanzi is there at the bottom of the third.

If BB uses either of his third round picks on a QB
, it will be the highest pick ever used on a QB during the BB era.

OK, high draft pick goal posts now moved back to late 3rd round people.
Forget the prior examples of 1st & 2nd round picks (legit high draft picks) previously cited.
 
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OK, high draft pick goal posts now moved back to late 3rd round people.
Forget the prior examples of 1st & 2nd round picks (legit high draft picks) previously cited.

If BB uses either of his third round picks on a QB. It will be the highest he has ever drafted a QB during his 11 year history with the Patriots. Thats high. :rocker:
 
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I would rather take a RB with a high pick then a QB. The RB (assuming he's good) will take snaps away from Brady, thus possibly giving him a longer life. Think of Elway and Terrel Davis.
 
My theory (and it might not be a good theory!) is it's all just scouting and note-taking for guys the Patriots will be facing down the road. I mean, you know you're going to play against these guys eventually; what better way to find out what makes them tick (or not) than some face time? :D
Miami has looked hard at Locker and Mallett ... :D
 
The Pats just signed Brady to a pretty big contract; in my opinion that tells me they planning on him being their starting quarterback for at least three more years.

The days of using an early draft pick and planning on having him not get on the field for three years are gone; that's just not reasonable given the dual constraints of the salary cap and free agency. Otherwise you end up in a situation where that player is the equivalent of dead money on the cap and he's free to bolt to free agency by the time you're ready to play him.

And before someone brings up the example of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, that was a unique situation. There were two dynamics in place: first, flip-flopping Brett Favre had Green Bay convinced that there was a very good chance he would be retiring that year or the next. Second, Rodgers unexpectedly fell in their laps, slipping to their spot in that draft. He represented a very good value so it made sense for them to grab him.

Also, as mentioned before the visits could very well be a smokescreen or just some extra scouting to be used at a later date. Remember last year when so many "experts" were convinced the Pats were going to draft Tim Tebow?
 
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I wouldn't use a high pick. We've got Brady for at least 2 to 3 more years, if not longer. Hoyer is a pretty good back-up option.

I would be in favour of spending a late pick on a developmental guy with high upside and seeing if we can't get lucky. But I don't see the need to spend a high pick (top 3 rounds) to groom Brady's replacement this year. If there's value in the 4th or 5th, I would be okay with that. I doubt Stanzi drops, but if he's there or McElroy in the 5th/6th, then that might intrigue me.
 
Too soon

We have a possible GOAT. Rather than insure he has the best possible supporting cast to win over his next 4 contract years we urinate away a HIGH pick on a backup QB for 2015? I say no. Emphatic no.
Not to mention that it seems clear that BBs preference is to find his next QB by starting with a blank canvass that he can develop in his system.
 
I like what I've seen from Hoyer so far. No need to panic yet.
 
I like what I've seen from Hoyer so far. No need to panic yet.

I don't think anyone's panicking. It's simply the realization that it's unlikely that Hoyer is going to be willing to stick around until Brady retires.
 
I don't think anyone's panicking. It's simply the realization that it's unlikely that Hoyer is going to be willing to stick around until Brady retires.

Likely. Guess what? The Pats will pick another diamond in the rough developmental QB to succeed him. What they clearly will not do is use a high draft pick, anything like the examples cited previously for a QB this April.
 
The Pats just signed Brady to a pretty big contract; in my opinion that tells me they planning on him being their starting quarterback for at least three more years.

The days of using an early draft pick and planning on having him not get on the field for three years are gone; that's just not reasonable given the dual constraints of the salary cap and free agency. Otherwise you end up in a situation where that player is the equivalent of dead money on the cap and he's free to bolt to free agency by the time you're ready to play him.


And before someone brings up the example of Aaron Rodgers and the Packers, that was a unique situation. There were two dynamics in place: first, flip-flopping Brett Favre had Green Bay convinced that there was a very good chance he would be retiring that year or the next. Second, Rodgers unexpectedly fell in their laps, slipping to their spot in that draft. He represented a very good value so it made sense for them to grab him.

Also, as mentioned before the visits could very well be a smokescreen or just some extra scouting to be used at a later date. Remember last year when so many "experts" were convinced the Pats were going to draft Tim Tebow?

Sane analysis always ruins these alternate universe threads.
 
Too soon

We have a possible GOAT. Rather than insure he has the best possible supporting cast to win over his next 4 contract years we urinate away a HIGH pick on a backup QB for 2015? I say no. Emphatic no.

It's more a question of how long they will wait. That's only partially driven by how long they think Brady can play at a high level. It will also be driven by who's available and when and at what price.

How long can he play at a high level?

We all hope Brady will prove to be more like Elway (rings at 37 and 38) and Favre than the guys who packed it in before they turned 36. But as tough as TB is, he's already lost a full season to injury and is spending this off-season rehabbing another.

Belichick and Kraft make decisions with their heads, not their hearts, and I don't think that they will put all their eggs in the basket that TB will have the durability of Manning or Favre, as much as they hope he will. Brady gets sacked a lot and, just as importantly, hit a lot. The average retirement age of an SB Era HOF QB is 37.5 and the median is 38 (those numbers are skewed by old timers like Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen and Johnny Unitas who retired at 40 as well as by Warren Moon who hung around until 44); 37/38 is just about when Brady's current contract will run out. And, no matter how we explain it away, no QB has won an SB past the age of 38.

The rest is a matter of who is available, when he is available and at what price.

I think they'll take the next QB they feel they can get at a price that reflects the potential value to the franchise.

Kraft is a businessman and counts the beans and runs the numbers with the best of them. He knows that he got lucky beyond his wildest dreams by getting Brady for $303k in his rookie year ($193 base plus $110 bonus) and $275k base plus maybe $75k incentives in his second year. He already knows that he'll be playing with several million of house money when BB tells him, "this is the guy."

Speaking of "lucky," I wouldn't be surprised if they hoard a couple of picks for Andrew Luck next year. But, the one thing we can be sure of is that if the Pats are interested in a QB, we'll only find out about it when Goodell reads the card that begins "And with the _ pick in the 20__ NFL Draft, the Patriots take...".

And, Joe was also "a possible GOAT" when they picked up Steve Young.
 
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Brady is like fine wine. He'll be mvp at 40.Seriously now...the guy was the unanimous MVP and coming off one of the best seasons ever for a QB and at the same time he is crying about being picked #199 a decade ago.Safe to say that Brady isn't even thinking about retiring.
 
And, Joe was also "a possible GOAT" when they drafted Young.

49ers never drafted Young.They got him from the Bucs and he was pretty crappy during that time so the Bucs drafted Testaverde to replace him.
 
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