Reactions to "The Brady 6"

[hellolin]

All I have to say is, the heart of the NEXT Dynasty is pumping already!

 

[Calciumee]

Oh, I can't find it online yet I don't want to wait any longer

 

[patsinthesnow]

This was better. Via Fitzy:

Tom Brady Recaps American Idol: Pia's Dismissal

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Any on-line or download link available to us canucks. TSN/CBC is in full NHL playoff mode, or at least I never saw it upcoming on their programming schedule.

 

[PaulThePat]

Oh, I can't find it online yet I don't want to wait any longer

You and me both. I must see this programme :rocker:

 

[PatsFanSince74]

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edit: I loved BB's statement that Tom beat out Drew in camp. I went to several camps in Smithfield that 2001 summer, and I said the same, Brady was better than Drew, and the Bledsoe Krishnas on USENET went ballistic.

I'm not a Bledsoe Krishna (whatever that is) and count myself among those who think that Drew just didn't have the fire or overall talent to win a championship, even though he was a very good QB.

However, not to pick a nit, but in the piece, BB actually said that Brady "had a better camp" than Drew not that he "beat him out." In his next sentence, BB then said that they still didn't think Brady "had the experience" to start. People will, of course, interpret that any way they want, but, if you just look at what he said, it does seem as though BB felt that Drew's experience gave him the edge over Brady at the time.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Florio makes a great point:

i hate it when i have to agree with Florio, but, in this case, he's right.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Good show. And the tears did not look the same,in context, as they did when they showed the brief clip this morning.

The show was great; to my memory it is the most laudatory piece ever done by ESPN on a player before he retired. If it's possible to be "nostalgic before the fact," it kind of made me wonder what they'll cook up when he retires...maybe the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

To me these were the most interesting aspects of the program:

Belichick admitting that Lloyd Carr's refusal to give Brady the starting job outright in his senior year made him "wonder if something was going on there" and was the reason they let him fall down the board. I know that Brady has been nothing but highly complimentary of Carr, but, in all of his emotion in his heart, he has to know in his head that that alone is the reason he fell all the way to the sixth round.

Saddest Case: no, not Giovanni Carmazzi's "five goats," but Drew Hensen's statement that he could have been a great NFL QB had he not tried baseball. Hensen has to live with and cling to that illusion/dream/hope every day of his life. It was amazing that ESPN found the clip of his striking out (looking) his first time at bat in MLB. I had forgotten that it was Parcells who actually pulled the plug on his career as a starting QB in the NFL.

Moment of Truth. Steve Mariucci. In fact, the whole sequence around the niners was fascinating, starting with the footage of Montana and Young as the lead-in to the 2000 draft and then the footage of Carmazzi freezing up after getting hit a few times. But the best quote, maybe of the entire program, was Mariucci saying that "I'd probably still be coaching San Francisco if we'd picked Tom Brady."


I thought that the treatment of Tee Martin, Wynn Spergon and Chris Redman was very respectful and balanced. I was surprised at how dismissive they were of Chad Pennington.

So, great show. Yeah!

[Footnote: Carr's (mis-)judgment call has to be part of any assessment of Carr's legacy. He had the greatest QB of a generation (and among the best of all time) on his team for four years and caved to the campus and media politics that said Hensen was the next great thing instead of starting Tommy outright in his senior year, as he deserved.]

 

[Brettlax3434]

What a great documentary. My favorite part was when Kirk Herbstreit said that Henson had to play over Brady because Brady didn't have nearly as much potential. It is amazing how willing NFL teams and even Brady's coaches at Michigan were willing to overlook his performance on the field. Everyone at Michigan now acknowledges that Brady was the leader of the team and that he outperformed Henson. Scouts should have realized he outperformed Henson, who they thought was number one pick material - logic, then Brady is number one pick material. That being said, scouting quarterbacks is probably the hardest job in sports and I understand how Brady was overlooked. THANK THE LORD.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

The show was great; to my memory it is the most laudatory piece ever done by ESPN on a player before he retired. If it's possible to be "nostalgic before the fact," it kind of made me wonder what they'll cook up when he retires...maybe the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

To me these were the most interesting aspects of the program:

Belichick admitting that Lloyd Carr's refusal to give Brady the starting job outright in his senior year made him "wonder if something was going on there" and was the reason they let him fall down the board. I know that Brady has been nothing but highly complimentary of Carr, but, in all of his emotion in his heart, he has to know in his head that that alone is the reason he fell all the way to the sixth round.

Saddest Case: no, not Giovanni Carmazzi's "five goats," but Drew Hensen's statement that he could have been a great NFL QB had he not tried baseball. Hensen has to live with and cling to that illusion/dream/hope every day of his life. It was amazing that ESPN found the clip of his striking out (looking) his first time at bat in MLB. I had forgotten that it was Parcells who actually pulled the plug on his career as a starting QB in the NFL.

Moment of Truth. Steve Mariucci. In fact, the whole sequence around the niners was fascinating, starting with the footage of Montana and Young as the lead-in to the 2000 draft and then the footage of Carmazzi freezing up after getting hit a few times. But the best quote, maybe of the entire program, was Mariucci saying that "I'd probably still be coaching San Francisco if we'd picked Tom Brady."


I thought that the treatment of Tee Martin, Wynn Spergon and Chris Redman was very respectful and balanced. I was surprised at how dismissive they were of Chad Pennington.

So, great show. Yeah!

[Footnote: Carr's (mis-)judgment call has to be part of any assessment of Carr's legacy. He had the greatest QB of a generation (and among the best of all time) on his team for four years and caved to the campus and media politics that said Hensen was the next great thing instead of starting Tommy outright in his senior year, as he deserved.]

Scouting and Personnel Dept's share part of the blame. " The Comeback Kid" played for one of the top teams in the country, had a 20-5 record as a starter and was a two time team captain. Senior year stats were 20/6 TD/INT with 63% completion. Wynn played at Southwest Texas State and had 13/12 TD/INT with 47% completion. No way should Wynn have been picked before Brady. Brady's Combine performance must have had something to do with it also.

 

[Armchair Quarterback]

I'm not a Bledsoe Krishna (whatever that is) and count myself among those who think that Drew just didn't have the fire or overall talent to win a championship, even though he was a very good QB.

However, not to pick a nit, but in the piece, BB actually said that Brady "had a better camp" than Drew not that he "beat him out." In his next sentence, BB then said that they still didn't think Brady "had the experience" to start. People will, of course, interpret that any way they want, but, if you just look at what he said, it does seem as though BB felt that Drew's experience gave him the edge over Brady at the time.

It was only a matter of time before Bledsoe would have been benched anyway. Mo Lewis just sped up the process. The Pats had lost 19 of the last 26 games Bledsoe started.

 

[Bella*chick]

I agree and I also can't help but wonder (even though given what we know about BB you have to think this wasn't a factor) if that huge contract, face of the franchise thing had even a little bit to do with it as well.

In the end, it worked out better for BB and Tom that it happened how it did. Can you imagine if non-injured Bledsoe had been benched in favor of Brady before the start of the season? Brady would have been under a lot more pressure and the public outcry against BB would have been overwhelming the minute he made any mistakes at all.

Not that it would have bothered BB but the Cleveland days took a similar route and I think it is just so much better that it went down as it did.

 

[Bella*chick]

Scouting and Personnel Dept's share part of the blame. " The Comeback Kid" played for one of the top teams in the country, had a 20-5 record as a starter and was a two time team captain. Senior year stats were 20/6 TD/INT with 63% completion. Wynn played at Southwest Texas State and had 13/12 TD/INT with 47% completion. No way should Wynn have been picked before Brady. Brady's Combine performance must have had something to do with it also.

The part with Wynn was fascinating. Probably my favorite part. Wasn't he the guy who basically was perfectly content to be on the bench and then got unexpectedly tossed into the starting lineup due to injury? And he was absolutely unprepared? What a contrast to Brady. I can't believe these scouts couldn't figure out just by talking to Brady that he had the desire to do whatever it took to be the best. What a slap in the face to draft guys like Wynn and Tee Martin over Brady. It shows that they thought Brady would never amount to anything. It was like he wasn't even there. I can't blame the guy for getting so emotional especially when they had lead him to believe he'd be a third rounder.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I agree and I also can't help but wonder (even though given what we know about BB you have to think this wasn't a factor) if that huge contract, face of the franchise thing had even a little bit to do with it as well.

Didn't they say as much in Patriot Reign (that they had already had so much invested in QB, that they couldn't bring themselves to pull the trigger on Brady?). [Interesting fact: Scott Pioli has a picture of Dave Stachelski in his office as a reminder of how easily teams can @%@% up the draft.]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

What a slap in the face to draft guys like Wynn and Tee Martin over Brady. It shows that they thought Brady would never amount to anything. It was like he wasn't even there.

Basically, teams saw Brady's lack of "athleticism," and ignored everything else.

They made the same mistake in 2005 when they focused on Cassel's lack of playing time, and ignored everything else. [The only QB in that class that's clearly done more is Aaron Rodgers.]

 

[Halifax_Pats_Fan]

Ross Tucker had someone on this am on the Morning Drive that was rolling his eyes at brady getting emotional.

The guy seemed to have an NYC/NJ accent....

 

[blackglass3]

I was already excited to go home and watch this at lunch time (and then watch it again with my boys after work), but after reading this thread I am counting down the minutes!


Also, I am hoping/praying Rex pipes up about this before the first Pats/Jets game and makes fun of Brady.

 

[vyrago]

I was already excited to go home and watch this at lunch time (and then watch it again with my boys after work), but after reading this thread I am counting down the minutes!


Also, I am hoping/praying Rex pipes up about this before the first Pats/Jets game and makes fun of Brady.

Not that I'm a fan of Rex, but I can't imagine him doing that, especially after all the blubbering he's done.

 

[randomk1]

The part with Wynn was fascinating. Probably my favorite part. Wasn't he the guy who basically was perfectly content to be on the bench and then got unexpectedly tossed into the starting lineup due to injury? And he was absolutely unprepared? What a contrast to Brady. I can't believe these scouts couldn't figure out just by talking to Brady that he had the desire to do whatever it took to be the best. What a slap in the face to draft guys like Wynn and Tee Martin over Brady. It shows that they thought Brady would never amount to anything. It was like he wasn't even there. I can't blame the guy for getting so emotional especially when they had lead him to believe he'd be a third rounder.

Little offtopic and just light humor.Clicked on your who is the GOAT sig and immediately thought that is child abuse. Kid is being taught BB/Tom Brady as gods but by the time he is old enough to understand football all he will have are some useless memories passed on from his parents and probably will be forced to watch some average team and have a lifelong wait for the next BB/TB. So cruel !

 

[Bella*chick]

Little offtopic and just light humor.Clicked on your who is the GOAT sig and immediately thought that is child abuse. Kid is being taught BB/Tom Brady as gods but by the time he is old enough to understand football all he will have are some useless memories passed on from his parents and probably will be forced to watch some average team and have a lifelong wait for the next BB/TB. So cruel !

Nooooo, because BB and Tom are going to be here forever.

They're gods, so they have to!