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From his MMQB:

The Patriots should come out of the draft with an extra 2012 first-round pick, unless I'm getting lied to a lot.

Last year, I thought the 33rd overall pick would generate heavy action in trade (as did the Rams, who held the first pick in the second round). The theory was that because the NFL took a 20-hour break after round one, teams would have all day Friday before round two kicked off to get desperate for a player they had rated as a first-rounder. But then the Rams really liked tackle Rodger Saffold of Indiana, and never really got much action on the pick because there wasn't a player teams felt they had to have. This year, I think that changes. New England has the 33rd pick (by way of the Panthers, who dealt it to acquire a Patriots' third-rounder last year so they could take Armanti Edwards). The way I read the draft right now, there could be as many as eight teams among the first 17 picks in the second round that will want a quarterback, and perhaps only three QBs left worth taking high in the second round.

Overall pickTeamProspects
34 Buffalo - Unlikely to pick QB here, but you never know.
35 Cincinnati - They know Palmer's out. Need a QB.
38 Arizona - Might be waiting for Marc Bulger. Too risky?
39 Tennessee - Desperate for good-guy QB.
41 Washington - Could be willing to roll dice with Grossman.
43 Minnesota - Can't believe they won't draft QB high.
45 San Francisco - Harbaugh dreams of Andy Dalton, I think.
49 Jacksonville - Time for some competition for Garrard.

The Patriots couldn't be in a better spot. There could be three second-round-caliber passers (Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder, Colin Kaepernick) available after day one, and a fourth if Ryan Mallett gets past Seattle at 25. Of course, teams could also trade up to the late first round too. New England is in prime position there, also, with the 28th overall choice.
On the universal draft-pick trade chart, invented a generation ago to standardize what value teams assign to each pick (though it's not gospel; some teams barely glance at it), the 28th pick is worth 660 points, and the 33rd pick worth 580 points. Teams trading for a pick in the following draft usually ascribe a choice one round higher to be fair. (Thus the Patriots' deal of a 2010 third-rounder for Carolina's second-rounder in 2011. Sometimes teams get lucky; New England moved up, as it turns out, 57 slots by making that deal a year ago.)

But the Patriots could successfully argue -- I believe -- that the 33rd pick is worth more than a 2012 first-rounder this year. The primary reason is they could have more than one bidder for the pick, because of the paucity of quarterback prospects and the need of more than one team by the time round one ends. Let's say the 49ers are desperate to move up for Dalton. The 49ers, picking 45th, might have to slip the Patriots extra value beyond what the trade chart says to move those 12 slots. Perhaps a first-rounder in 2012 and, say, a third- or fourth- this year. If they don't do it, some other team might.

Actually, starting around pick 26 in the first round, several teams are in good position to trade down. Baltimore (26th overall) may be willing to deal down for an extra three, and the Ravens could still take a cornerback with low-first, high-second-round value. Chicago (29) and the Jets (30) might be willing to trade down too.

Whatever happens, I think there will be a quarterback market at the end of day one, and I think the Patriots are positioned perfectly to take advantage of it. Will there ever be a year New England's won't be in position to control a draft? It's amazing the job Bill Belichick's done in consistently giving the Pats an edge there.


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From last week's thread on Mc Shay's ESPN 3-round mock:

If McShay has 2 QBs going at 34 and 35, the Patriots will end up trading 33. If you're interested in a QB early in the 2nd, you're probably going to give Bill a call, since there will be other teams in the same position as you, and you know that 33 would definitely be for sale, and probably going to a team that wants a certain qb.

Now the idea of trading #33 isn't exactly news, but....
 
The Steelers, Bears, and Falcons don't trade very often and the Jets only like to trade up, not down. So that leaves 26, 28, 32 and 33 as the likeliest spots for teams to try to move into. IMO, 26 and 28 will be hot for teams seeking OL and DL. 32 and 33 will be the QB spots. I can see the Pats moving up from 17, then down from 28 and 33.
 
The Steelers, Bears, and Falcons don't trade very often and the Jets only like to trade up, not down. So that leaves 26, 28, 32 and 33 as the likeliest spots for teams to try to move into. IMO, 26 and 28 will be hot for teams seeking OL and DL. 32 and 33 will be the QB spots. I can see the Pats moving up from 17, then down from 28 and 33.

Agree they move up from 17 if the guy BB really really wants is within reach...

Probably moves down with either 28 or 33.....recoups lost pick from moving up. Not sure he moves down with both 28 and 33 tho.....

BB only needs 2 or 3 impact players out of the top 6 picks....I'd be very pleased with a stud OL and DL in first 3 picks.....

Somehow fix the pass rush problem that has hurt them the past 2 seasons.
 
I can see the Pats moving up from 17, then down from 28 and 33.
This is what I'm predicting. They're not going to pick at 17, 28, or 33.
 
I think the idea that the first pick in a round that starts on a new day is so highly coveted is a little off base.

Sure there is more time to end up making a deal but that doesnt mean a QB hungry team doesnt recognize that and just trade for 32 and not wait the day.

IMO I hope BB uses the 17,28, and 33 on players who can actually help this team ASAP and not more Draft picks but with that said I am a big fan of BBs approach to the draft as he always has ammo and always seems to have overstocked with picks. He seems to target his guys and get them and pick up extra picks for it whats not to like. That being said I think this is a draft where he can do both. Due to the high number of young kids that stuck the last few years the need for 6 more young kids is not high so you can move up with some picks to ensure the impact player and you can trade others to stock next years shelves. My plan would be to use 17 pretty much where it is, Trade up a decent amount with 33 into the first and come out with 3 first rounders (I would love to get Ingram, Kerrigan or another OLB, and Pouncy) then use the other 2 or combinations of the 3s to stock up next years draft with some extra 2s.

Basically lets draft 3 first rounders this year and load up on next years 2nd rounders. Using what ever else is left this year to suplement the top 3.
 
Agree they move up from 17 if the guy BB really really wants is within reach...

Probably moves down with either 28 or 33.....recoups lost pick from moving up. Not sure he moves down with both 28 and 33 tho.....

BB only needs 2 or 3 impact players out of the top 6 picks....I'd be very pleased with a stud OL and DL in first 3 picks.....

Somehow fix the pass rush problem that has hurt them the past 2 seasons.

Agreed. The only reason I see the Patriots NOT trying to move up is if the player they want falls down the chart, OR Bill works one of his trades to get someone big time, like he did with Moss. I still thinnk there's going to be a major trade with the Patriots during the draft.
 
I think the idea that the first pick in a round that starts on a new day is so highly coveted is a little off base.

Sure there is more time to end up making a deal but that doesnt mean a QB hungry team doesnt recognize that and just trade for 32 and not wait the day.

Agreed. #33 may be worth a LITTLE more than if the first day still had 2 rounds, but only a little.
 
Agree they move up from 17 if the guy BB really really wants is within reach...

Probably moves down with either 28 or 33.....recoups lost pick from moving up. Not sure he moves down with both 28 and 33 tho.....

BB only needs 2 or 3 impact players out of the top 6 picks....I'd be very pleased with a stud OL and DL in first 3 picks.....

Somehow fix the pass rush problem that has hurt them the past 2 seasons.

Hopefully, the QB run would negate losing any picks. With a unique need, throw out convention.

How about trading with Washington 10/their second for 17 and 28? Granted the points say the Redskins wouldn't do it. However, with so many needs, they get a quality player at 17 and front load the expected QB run.

So many variables. You almost wonder if the league sets this up to generate viewing.
 
Peter King, always a front runner in groundbreaking analysis.
 
Agreed. #33 may be worth a LITTLE more than if the first day still had 2 rounds, but only a little.



I think it depends upon the draft but this year I agree with King that it has alot of value andd the Patriots will maximize that value, most likely for another first next year.
 
I've been saying for a while that it could be cool to trade #28 and #33 for a pick in the low teens, to a team that wants to trade down and stockpile picks -- because those would be great spots from which they could trade down further.

Problem -- holding #12 & #17, say, might not be so great from the standpoint of matching value and team needs. Who's going to be worth a low-teens pick except a DE (Jordan or Watt, depending on how you rate them)? If we take one of them, what's worth doing with #17?

So now I think that a move up to the low teens is #17 + #28 for a 1st & a 2nd.

An OLB prospect worth taking in the top 17 could change that analysis, however. Ditto if Ingram really IS judged to be the next Emmitt Smith.
 
I've been saying for a while that it could be cool to trade #28 and #33 for a pick in the low teens, to a team that wants to trade down and stockpile picks -- because those would be great spots from which they could trade down further.

Problem -- holding #12 & #17, say, might not be so great from the standpoint of matching value and team needs. Who's going to be worth a low-teens pick except a DE (Jordan or Watt, depending on how you rate them)? If we take one of them, what's worth doing with #17?

So now I think that a move up to the low teens is #17 + #28 for a 1st & a 2nd.

An OLB prospect worth taking in the top 17 could change that analysis, however. Ditto if Ingram really IS judged to be the next Emmitt Smith.

I was thinking get the DL/OLB at 17 and trade up with 33 into early twenties and make 2 choices in the twenties OL and Ingram if he is there or OL and OL if he is not.
 
What are the chances the pats make the pick at 33? .000001%? Hope they get something good. I hope CBA somehow gets done in time. Would be cool to get a player too.
 
Peter King, always a front runner in groundbreaking analysis.

He must have been caught up in a longer than usual line at Starbucks....and started thinking. :bricks:
 
Bill Belichick better be scouting a pass rusher or two from that catbird seat. :D
 
This is what I'm predicting. They're not going to pick at 17, 28, or 33.

I'm right there with ya on this sentiment, Sciz.... I'll be shocked if BB actually selects a player in any of these slots.

FWIW: small trade up from 17, then 2 trades back from 28 & 33 is what I am anticipating. Watch BB pull a mind-scramble on us now........
 
What are the chances the pats make the pick at 33? .000001%? Hope they get something good. I hope CBA somehow gets done in time. Would be cool to get a player too.

what do the odds translate on that percentage because I will take that bet?
 
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