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I can see pro and con for Parcells. He and Berry had one Super Bowl visit.

In all fairness, that's like saying that players should be in the HoF based on the number of Super Bowl wins.

The fact is that Parcells and Bledsoe - much more so than Berry or any other QB aside from Tom Brady - played a significant role in turning a franchise around to build a foundation for the current dynasty.

Ulimtately most fans can agree that Parcells, Bledsoe and Kraft all deserve credit for that - hence, I think all three of them should be inducted together.
 
In all fairness, that's like saying that players should be in the HoF based on the number of Super Bowl wins.

The fact is that Parcells and Bledsoe - much more so than Berry or any other QB aside from Tom Brady - played a significant role in turning a franchise around to build a foundation for the current dynasty.

Ulimtately most fans can agree that Parcells, Bledsoe and Kraft all deserve credit for that - hence, I think all three of them should be inducted together.

Fairbanks did as much or more to turn a franchise around, how about him?

The biggest thing he did to turn the franchise around was probably to grate on Belichick enough so he broke his contract. I don't see anyone proposing Pete Carroll for the hall based on the team he inherited from Parcells.

Don't get me wrong, Parcells deserves to be in the pro football hall of fame, but having a few good drafts and riding a #1 overall pick to one SB appearance which he torpedoed through his own petulance, openly looking for jobs Pre Super bowl puts him in the patriots category of Berry and Fairbanks IMO.
 
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Fairbanks did as much or more to turn a franchise around, how about him?

The biggest thing he did to turn the franchise around was probably to grate on Belichick enough so he broke his contract. I don't see anyone proposing Pete Carroll for the hall based on the team he inherited from Parcells.

Don't get me wrong, Parcells deserves to be in the pro football hall of fame, but having a few good drafts and riding a #1 overall pick to one SB appearance which he torpedoed through his own petulance, openly looking for jobs Pre Super bowl puts him in the patriots category of Berry and Fairbanks IMO.

What Joe is refering to is a franchise with 20,000 or so season ticket holders went to one that has 60,000+ and 50,000 give or take on a waiting list when Drew, Parcells, and Kraft showed up and has stayed that way since.
Love em or hate em all three were very influencial to this franchise. IMO enough so they should all be in the hall. Right now Drew should be first. Then a bunch of Dynasty guys come up and then at some point in the futue Parcells should get in.
Kraft belongs in but that will probably wait too as it would be weird to put himself in.
 
Fairbanks did as much or more to turn a franchise around, how about him?

The biggest thing he did to turn the franchise around was probably to grate on Belichick enough so he broke his contract. I don't see anyone proposing Pete Carroll for the hall based on the team he inherited from Parcells.

Don't get me wrong, Parcells deserves to be in the pro football hall of fame, but having a few good drafts and riding a #1 overall pick to one SB appearance which he torpedoed through his own petulance, openly looking for jobs Pre Super bowl puts him in the patriots category of Berry and Fairbanks IMO.

This isn't meant to disparage Fairbanks or anyone else.

If Parcells and Bledsoe are eligible they should go in on the first ballot.

The fact that Bob Kraft isn't in the Patriots HoF is a travesty in itself - the only reason he's not in now is because he has a degree of humility.

But each of these three people played a role in turning a laughingstock organization on the verge of bankruptcy at best and a move to some other city at worst, into a very credible organization that Belichick continues today

Parcell's jilt and distraction in the Super Bowl were not his finest moment - but we eventually got 3 Super Bowls in part due to the solid foundation he left
 
This isn't meant to disparage Fairbanks or anyone else.

If Parcells and Bledsoe are eligible they should go in on the first ballot.

The fact that Bob Kraft isn't in the Patriots HoF is a travesty in itself - the only reason he's not in now is because he has a degree of humility.

But each of these three people played a role in turning a laughingstock organization on the verge of bankruptcy at best and a move to some other city at worst, into a very credible organization that Belichick continues today

Parcell's jilt and distraction in the Super Bowl were not his finest moment - but we eventually got 3 Super Bowls in part due to the solid foundation he left

I'm a big Parcells fan. Sure his name recognition helped the team, he also hurt the team. Had Mike Holovak not taken over when he did, there might not be a team.

Parcells had the top overall pick and three #2's in 93 and the 4th overall in 94. what turned the franchise around was his name because he won 2 SBs in NY.

The popularity contests are a joke anyway. Parcells is one of the five best coaches overall, sort them as you like. He was a .500 coach.

You've decided that era is the only important thing, so vote for him.
 
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I agree with you.. However, without Parcells, there is no Bledsoe and no Belichick. Just food for thought.

So because of Zeke Mowatt the Patriots hit rock bottom leading to Belichick et al he should be enshrined. :D

Just food for thought that makes you want to vomit ideas.
 
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Looking at this 4 year snapshot of team records...and I bet you could find dozens of coaches with similar 4 year spans. And how many of these dozens of coaches came into their jobs with a franchise QB waiting to be picked at #1.

I find it puzzling that this guy gets so much credit for "setting up" the team with a foundation for its future despite , in his own words, not being able to "shop for the groceries". He basically said, "my responsibilities don't include roster creation."
Now I'm not naive enough to think that he never put his stamp on that team, but forgive me for celebrating a .500 coach that torpedoed his team's most important game in a decade, escaped to the hated rival, and eventually stole away the Patriots stud RB.

Besides, there is NO WAY Bob Kraft allows Parcell's name to hang on his stadium

As far as Curtis Martin goes...he had a hell of a 3 year run...but he is a Jet...no arguements, no need to ENSHRINE him as a Pat. He wanted to be with the Chef...so be it.

Bledsoe...definitely. His career may not have turned out as we had hoped, but the man put on a show most every Sunday and the Patriots became exciting because of his arm, not because Fat Tuna was on the sideline. Bledsoe had that rare ability to put the team on his back and singlehandedly change the outcome. Though many will disagree with me, I maintain that the new stadium was the "House that Drew Built" even though he didn't stick around to play on that field.

Since we are arguing/discussing the merits of the mid/late 90's players/coaches, I would say that many great players from this era will be eligible soon and there is no pressing need to include short timers or mercenary coaches.
The Pats Hall should celebrate the staples of this era who created the foundation for the amazing years to follow
Be patient and reward true Patriots:
Troy Brown
Willie McGinest
Teddy Bruschi
Ty Law
Adam Vinatieri
?(Armstong, Coates, Milloy, Ted Johnson)?
 
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So because of Zeke Mowatt the Patriots hit rock bottom leading to Belichick et al he should be enshrined. :D

Just food for thought that makes you want to vomit ideas.

That's pretty much where this is headed, isn't it.

Look, I remember hearing on the radio they hired Bill Parcells. They might as well have said Vince Lombardi. But taking a job and having a reputation based on your work elsewhere isn't usually what someone gets into a team HOF for.

You get into the HOF because your friends are running it, or you're recent and most fans don't remember past a few years, or you play a flashy position or are press worthy.

[oops, I lapsed into the truth there]

So anyway, just vote in Parcells because he gave birth to Belichick and vote in every Patriot since 2001, because we never had any good teams or players between 1975-85 and certainly not in the 60s.

Danny Woodhead for HOF, we'll waive the 5 year wait.:D
 
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Just imagine what it would have been like if Kraft had not driven Parcells away.
 
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Just imagine what it would have been like if Kraft had not driven Parcells away.

Bledsoe would still be throwing picks for the Pats
 
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It seems that I was not clear enough. Let me try again.

Imagine what it would have been like if Parcells had coached the Patriots until Bill Belichick took over.
 
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It seems that I was not clear enough. Let me try again.

Imagine what it would have been like if Parcells had coached the Patriots until Bill Belichick took over.

Pete Carrol went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8...with the final two years without CuMar. I suspect that if Tuna and CuMar had remained, the Pats would have maintained or better and not declined.
 
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Just imagine what it would have been like if Kraft had not driven Parcells away.

Parcells would have left pretty soon after anyways. He's got a long track record of it.

Parcells deserves credit for what he did, but I don't think he deserves to be in the HOF. Plus they'd have to build an expansion to accommodate his ego...
 
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I believe that Parcells was an exceptional drafter and an exceptional team builder. Pete Carroll, or whoever it was that was doing the drafting, not so much.

Also, we would have had Belichick as defensive coordinator those years.

And by the way, Curtis Martin would have stayed if Parcells had stayed.
 
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Pete Carrol went 10-6, 9-7, 8-8...with the final two years without CuMar. I suspect that if Tuna and CuMar had remained, the Pats would have maintained or better and not declined.
I replied before seeing your edit. We seem to be in agreement.
 
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I believe that Parcells was an exceptional drafter and an exceptional team builder. Pete Carroll, or whoever it was that was doing the drafting, not so much.

Also, we would have had Belichick as defensive coordinator those years.

And by the way, Curtis Martin would have stayed if Parcells had stayed.

It was Bobby Grier and if Parcells hat been less of a hothead he might have eased that incompetent buffoon out, but confrontation was his style.
 
The best part of the Tuna era was that it was a time of learning for Bob Kraft.
On one hand he discovered that management structure affected team results. Allowing players to back door the coaching staff by whining upstairs was a destructive policy.
On the other hand, he eventually learned the importance of character in leadership. He discovered that Fat Tuna was too self important and the wrong guy to hand over total control. And he learned that the player friendly atmosphere under Pete Carrol was not a sustainable formula for long term success.
In hindsight, seven years is a long time to figure it out, but consider what has been going on in Dallas and Washington over the last decade.
 
?(Armstong, Coates, Milloy, Ted Johnson)?

Coates is in already, Armstrong might be too and IMO Milloy and Johnson earned it to
 
Sharing a Pats Hall of Fame ballot - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

This should make for a good break from labor talk.

I think this year and seems like several to follow should be no brainers. I absolutely think Drew should be a first ballot.

and check out the eligibles coming up.

A look at future eligibles for Hall - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

Might have to put all three in in 2013 they all should be first ballots.

Parcells even being mentioned as a possibility is a joke after what he pulled right before the SB. F him.

My pick: Grey
 
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