Would you take Andy Dalton in the third round?

[ctpatsfan77]

Let's just say for the sake of argument that (A) he's still available, and (B) whatever your top 3 needs are, BB's addressed them in the first two rounds.

Would you consider using a third rounder on him? I don't think he can be worse than, say, Kevin O'Connell. . . .

 

[reflexblue]

Let's just say for the sake of argument that (A) he's still available, and (B) whatever your top 3 needs are, BB's addressed them in the first two rounds.

Would you consider using a third rounder on him? I don't think he can be worse than, say, Kevin O'Connell. . . .

Who is andy dalton......i guess if i have to ask i wouldn't spend a third round pick on him.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Who is andy dalton......i guess if i have to ask i wouldn't spend a third round pick on him.

Andy Dalton, QB, TCU
6'3", 220

Went from 10 TDs, 11 INTs, 59.8% completion on 371 attempts in 2007 to 27 TDs, 6 INTs, 66.1% completion on 316 attempts in 2010. Team records during his four years at TCU: 8-5, 11-2, 12-1, 13-0.

And, oh yes:

 

[Snake Eyes]

I think the big question is what you intend for him to be, if it's simply a backup, it's way too early, if you think that he's a potential heir, then a 3rd round pick isnt so bad.

 

[Off The Grid]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Redhead QBs don't win....at least none that I can think of

 

[patfanken]

you don't draft a qb that high until Brady is 2 years from retirement At this point all you do is bring in low round picks develop them and then trade them for higher round picks Brady's draft replacement is still in college. Here's another prediction. Brady's initial replacement is going to be a vet FA not a draft pick, especially a rookie

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Yes.
......

 

[Water Boy]

We have a fantastic backup in Hoyer, who should be resigned unless a team were to make a decent trade offer. Cassell was able to prove his value when Brady got hurt. Hoyer has never had that chance, and as such will not command much money in salary in his next contract and teams will not likely offer up much in a trade for him.

Although Dalton maybe a worthy pick in round 3 for some team with a potential need at QB in the not to distant future, I think its a waste of a roster spot for the Patriots and its unlikely that he could be flipped for a higher value draft pick down the road.

I have no problem with a 7th round or UDFA developmental QB on the practice squad.

 

[Peachhead]

I voted 'definitely not'. I have nothing against Dalton. But 3rd round is too high for a QB in our case. 3rds are just too valuable to spend on a guy that I hope to God never plays a meaningful down for at least 4 of 5 years. (And by then if he's any good he's gone in free agency)

I threw stuff at my TV when they took O'Connell a few years ago.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Yes.
......

Preach, Box, preach!

[In other words, "Inquiring minds want to know why."]

 

[MaineMan]

IIRC, Hoyer is going into his contract year. It's simple to say, "Yeah, he's fine. We should just re-sign him and wait to draft Brady's heir-apparent until couple years before he retires." But, nothing can happen now with any Hoyer re-signing/extension until the CBA situation is resolved. Even after that, Hoyer may decide it's in his best interest to test the open market (I'm sure the Bengals would sign him in a heartbeat right now, if they could).

No, of course he wouldn't command Cassel's salary and the Pats would probably be lucky to get a 4th for him in a trade. The point being that, currently and maybe through the draft, the situation with backup/developmental/heir apparent QB is anything but settled and we never know when Brady may get injured again.

If Dalton is a guy who can eventually run the Pats' offense successfully (and I think he might well be) and the 3rd is were we need to take him to get him, NOT doing so would seem a bit short-sighted.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

IIRC, Hoyer is going into his contract year. It's simple to say, "Yeah, he's fine. We should just re-sign him and wait to draft Brady's heir-apparent until couple years before he retires." But, nothing can happen now with any Hoyer re-signing/extension until the CBA situation is resolved. Even after that, Hoyer may decide it's in his best interest to test the open market (I'm sure the Bengals would sign him in a heartbeat right now, if they could).

No, of course he wouldn't command Cassel's salary and the Pats would probably be lucky to get a 4th for him in a trade. The point being that, currently and maybe through the draft, the situation with backup/developmental/heir apparent QB is anything but settled and we never know when Brady may get injured again.

If Dalton is a guy who can eventually run the Pats' offense successfully (and I think he might well be) and the 3rd is were we need to take him to get him, NOT doing so would seem a bit short-sighted.

I agree with you, but, to play Devil's advocate for a second, what if the Pats felt that Greg McElroy could do almost the same in the fourth or fifth round? Would that change your assessment?

 

[patchick]

Quarterbacks are immensely valuable, they take time to develop, and the Patriots only have 2 of them. They also have 6 picks in the first 3 rounds. So I'd certainly consider QBs from the 3rd round on.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

Yes I would definitely take Dalton in the third round if a team is sniffing around him too much on day three, otherwise I think I can get him in the fourth round.

Four year starters with a huge track record of success are hard to find. And while he is not a finished product per se, he has decent accuracy and make decent decisions. This is a guy that three years from now will be able to contribute big time.

 

[MaineMan]

I agree with you, but, to play Devil's advocate for a second, what if the Pats felt that Greg McElroy could do almost the same in the fourth or fifth round? Would that change your assessment?

Of course. And, it appears that both are on BB's radar. No telling whether or not BB has them rated equally. I might give a slight edge to Dalton.

However, when the time comes to pick at #74 (or whatever they have at that point), there may be a lot of other factors in play - e.g., if a guy at another position who they had a 2nd round grade on unexpectedly slides that far. If BB shifts gears and takes this other guy at #74, thereby "passing" on Dalton, maybe he then grabs McElroy at #92 to be certain of getting him.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

The gingerness concerns me. But I think we've got our back-up, and a developmental guy shouldn't be drafted with a 3rd.

If Dalton drops to the 4th, I'd be interested. But I'd be happy with McElroy in the 5th or 6th. Though I think both are going to go higher than anticipated. I'm reading a lot more on both that makes me think a lot more teams are interested.

 

[MaineMan]

The gingerness concerns me. But I think we've got our back-up, and a developmental guy shouldn't be drafted with a 3rd.

If Dalton drops to the 4th, I'd be interested. But I'd be happy with McElroy in the 5th or 6th. Though I think both are going to go higher than anticipated. I'm reading a lot more on both that makes me think a lot more teams are interested.

That was part of the point I made in the earlier post - we don't know that "we've got our back-up" past the end of 2011, and the Pats may not even have a chance to speak with Hoyer now until after the draft. We also don't know that Brady is going to be able to play through the end of his new contract. If BB thinks that either Dalton or McElroy has an equal or greater chance at being Brady's heir as Hoyer might, it's not out of the question that he'll grab one or the other wherever the market forces him to, even at #74, if need be.

 

[mgteich]

We will draft a QB. The question whether we would us a 3rd this year. I don't think so. Next year is fine time to draft another backup.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

That was part of the point I made in the earlier post - we don't know that "we've got our back-up" past the end of 2011, and the Pats may not even have a chance to speak with Hoyer now until after the draft. We also don't know that Brady is going to be able to play through the end of his new contract. If BB thinks that either Dalton or McElroy has an equal or greater chance at being Brady's heir as Hoyer might, it's not out of the question that he'll grab one or the other wherever the market forces him to, even at #74, if need be.

That's true, and with no CBA, there's no guarantee Hoyer would be an RFA. But I can't imagine a ton of big changes to the RFA system, so we could potentially put a tender on him as an RFA. I'd even be willing to gamble with a 1st round tender for $2M and see if anyone signs him.