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Free agent, Al Davis has nothing to do with him anymore.

Yes I know ty I meant Him dealing with A Davis org. even though Raiders were alot better I think NA would rather go to a contender now and get his $. I'm just saying maybe BB can convince him that le$$ is more and that collecting T Shirts is what's all about plus he'll still get his money work in bonuses. When there's a WIN ther'sa way!
 
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With no pass rush, stocking up on front line cornerbacks wouldn't be the worst idea. Leigh Bodden is a good player but nowhere near as good as Asomugha and is due $4 million in salary this season. $5.5 million cap hit. It's not likely to happen but the Patriots could make it works if they wanted it to. I agree that the Routt contract doesn't help.
 
With no pass rush, stocking up on front line cornerbacks wouldn't be the worst idea. Leigh Bodden is a good player but nowhere near as good as Asomugha and is due $4 million in salary this season. $5.5 million cap hit. It's not likely to happen but the Patriots could make it works if they wanted it to. I agree that the Routt contract doesn't help.

Right. Or addressing that pass rush?
 
Apparently that means it can't happen, damn.

It means it has been years since they had a legitimate pass rush. There are limited options in free agency and a rookie is unlikely to make a significant difference in a BB defense. Asomugha is a free agent and better coverage from defensive backs is one way to help offset lack of a pass rush.
 
Is CB a #1 need? No.

But when a player of that caliber becomes a FA, one HAS to at least think about it.

This. *Claps hands

He said that we would be back, implying at some point we were gone. I was just saying that we were 14-2, whether or not we won in the playoffs we weren't "gone".

Wait? What.....? lol Sorry, I don't really understand this statement. What do you mean....gone?

Ya right because those resposes were good so I answered obvious, he's available, period! lol
and YES that's exactly what I meant about possibly comin cheap WITH Bodden. Also I was thinkin it would kill 2 birds with one stone, getting him & keepin him away from Jets. Think for a min NA & DR as Jets corners. In this case a good Defense is a good Defense!

I don't see how anybody can think the Jets out of all teams are going to get him, can you not see how many people they have as Free Agents? If they do sign Nnamdi Asomougha, say goodbye to Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards, Smith, and they are not going to re-sign Taylor or Jenkins.

People on here always mention the $, we're not exactly strapped for cash at the moment. They could afford him if they really wanted to get him.

You sir. Win.

I'm sure the Patriots could afford him if they really wanted to, but we all know Nnamdi is going to the Jets. Plus, there's more pressing needs in the overall make up of the Patriots. Nnamdi would be a nice addition that said.

Again, saying Nnamdi is going to the Jets is almost as bad as taking Gholston 6th overall in the draft.
 
If Stanford Rout (or whatever his name is) got over 10 million a year, what do you think Nnamdi is gonna ask for? It's not worth putting that much Money into one player unless he is a QB, and a damn good QB at that.
 
Right. Because they've done such a good job of that lately.

The team didn't address the pass-rush issue because they didn't believe there were any players, either through the draft or free agency, that could've fit into the scheme and produced in the way that their contract/salary or draft position would have justified. It would be easy to address the pass rush if there were many options available to the team.

Do you really think Belichick doesn't think a pass rush is important? Or do you think that Belichick doesn't see the pass rush as a problem? I'm betting he does think it is important and that it's lacking has been a crutch to the defense and the team. But there is not an easy way to generate a pass rush because the good 34 DEs and the good 34 OLBs are rare and thus expensive.

Sure, Clay Matthews might've been a solution, but he also may not have fit in here. Who knows? Maybe, BB put too much stock into Crable. So yeah, in recent years the pass rush hasn't been addressed very much, but not addressing it is better than signing another head-case FA (Thomas) or drafting say a Gholston.

But, I don't believe in fixing the pass rush by signing a cornerback to a contract worth 30+ million in guaranteed money. Seems backwards and indirect to me. Will the best CB in the league certainly give our poor pass rushers more time to get the QB? Sure. Will our pass rushers still be poor? Yeah. I think you fix the pass rush by drafting and developing pass rushers, not by signing cornerbacks to monster contracts. (e.g. Cunningham and hopefully future draft picks).

And just because the Patriots have the cap space to sign Nnamdi doesn't mean the team should. Say the Patriots have $20 million dollars in cap-space for the 2011 season. Nnamdi will certainly command $10-15 million dollars of that space. So what kind of players will the team bring in to fill the (1) offensive guard positions (2) outside linebacker (3) offensive tackle? That's four very important positions with only $5-10 million dollars of cap space dedicated to them. And don't forget three of those players are protecting the team's most valuable asset, it's $20 million dollar/season star quarterback.

Of course, Nnamdi is one of the best players at his position in football, and he is still in his prime. But according to the needs of this team, is he really worth 10+ million dollars a season? Is his play going to put the team over the top to get to the Super Bowl? I think not. Or will using that money elsewhere bring a greater benefit to the team? I think so.
 
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I don't see how anybody can think the Jets out of all teams are going to get him, can you not see how many people they have as Free Agents? If they do sign Nnamdi Asomougha, say goodbye to Cromartie, Holmes, Edwards, Smith, and they are not going to re-sign Taylor or Jenkins.

Again, saying Nnamdi is going to the Jets is almost as bad as taking Gholston 6th overall in the draft.

You do know the Jets reportedly are releasing Woody, Jenkins, Gholston, and Taylor for a 20 mil savings?
 
You do know the Jets reportedly are releasing Woody, Jenkins, Gholston, and Taylor for a 20 mil savings?

Yeah, but they also are trying to resign Edwards, Holmes, Tomlinson, and Cromartie. Plus they extended Revis to a pretty large contract, which didn't matter in the uncapped 2010 season. They still will not have very much wiggle room.
 
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Wait? What.....? lol Sorry, I don't really understand this statement. What do you mean....gone?

Gone from the elite level. He said they would be back and I'm assuming he meant back to being an elite team, I don't think they ever left that level.
 
You do know the Jets reportedly are releasing Woody, Jenkins, Gholston, and Taylor for a 20 mil savings?

Ya....so they can take care of their other FA's. The Jets aren't in a good position relative to the cap.
 
Right. Or addressing that pass rush?

The team didn't address the pass-rush issue because they didn't believe there were any players, either through the draft or free agency, that could've fit into the scheme and produced in the way that their contract/salary or draft position would have justified. It would be easy to address the pass rush if there were many options available to the team.

On the one hand you say address the pass rush, just like that, minutes later you tell me why they didn't. If they weren't able to fix it because of the reasons you stated why would they all of a sudden be able to do that now?


Do you really think Belichick doesn't think a pass rush is important? Or do you think that Belichick doesn't see the pass rush as a problem? I'm betting he does think it is important and that it's lacking has been a crutch to the defense and the team. But there is not an easy way to generate a pass rush because the good 34 DEs and the good 34 OLBs are rare and thus expensive.

Asomugha is availiable and the price to sign him is unknown.

Sure, Clay Matthews might've been a solution, but he also may not have fit in here. Who knows? Maybe, BB put too much stock into Crable. So yeah, in recent years the pass rush hasn't been addressed very much, but not addressing it is better than signing another head-case FA (Thomas) or drafting say a Gholston.

Do you really believe that BB didn't make any moves because he had Crable on IR? I've tried to figure out why he doesn't pay more attention to the position but to say its because of Crable? That's a good one, as is suggesting that they draft Gholsten.

But, I don't believe in fixing the pass rush by signing a cornerback to a contract worth 30+ million in guaranteed money. Seems backwards and indirect to me. Will the best CB in the league certainly give our poor pass rushers more time to get the QB? Sure. Will our pass rushers still be poor? Yeah. I think you fix the pass rush by drafting and developing pass rushers, not by signing cornerbacks to monster contracts. (e.g. Cunningham and hopefully future draft picks).

I don't think fixing the pass rush by signing a CB is the best way either. However, for reasons you already gave, it is not easy to improve the pass rush in the front seven because "good 34 DEs and the good 34 OLBs are rare and thus expensive" As I said NA is availible and his price is unknown.

And just because the Patriots have the cap space to sign Nnamdi doesn't mean the team should. Say the Patriots have $20 million dollars in cap-space for the 2011 season. Nnamdi will certainly command $10-15 million dollars of that space. So what kind of players will the team bring in to fill the (1) offensive guard positions (2) outside linebacker (3) offensive tackle? That's four very important positions with only $5-10 million dollars of cap space dedicated to them. And don't forget three of those players are protecting the team's most valuable asset, it's $20 million dollar/season star quarterback.

Signing bonuses allow you to spread the money throughout the length of the contract. It is doubtful his salary cap # would be that high. (assuming a cap is in place). NA is a free agent, there are not a lot of options on the free agent market at OLB and a top tackle would be just as or more expensive if available.

Of course, Nnamdi is one of the best players at his position in football, and he is still in his prime. But according to the needs of this team, is he really worth 10+ million dollars a season? Is his play going to put the team over the top to get to the Super Bowl? I think not. Or will using that money elsewhere bring a greater benefit to the team? I think so.

I would much rather they improve the defense by getting a top notch pass rushing OLB or DE. I am just not confident that will happen. As you mentioned they have money to spend but at what positions? OL, hopefully on Mankins and probably Light. OLB, who? DE, who? There's not a lot available in free agency. Signing NA would definitely improve the defense this year, drafting a rookie OLB or DE may or may not.
 
Ya right because those resposes were good so I answered obvious, he's available, period! lol
and YES that's exactly what I meant about possibly comin cheap WITH Bodden. Also I was thinkin it would kill 2 birds with one stone, getting him & keepin him away from Jets. Think for a min NA & DR as Jets corners. In this case a good Defense is a good Defense!
You know there will be a salary cap this year right?
Its been proven over and over throughout the FA era that teams that spend a ridiculous amount of the cap on FAs they 'have to have' will fail.
Almost 100% of the time the highest paid FAs do not play as well with their new team as they did before. When the market is set by what you have done and not what you will do, you end up over paying as decline sets in, and in sets in for everyone.
Buying at the peak of skills or after that for the highest price is a sure sign of a poor decision.
No matter how much fans want to ignore it, any player you sign means an equal cost of players must be let go, or bypassed.
It could be argued whether spending 15 mill on one player or spreading that 15 mill over upgrading many other positions (or not having to let players walk) is wiser. But there is no question the data says it isn't even close.
When you add in the fact that we are in pretty good shape at the corner position, it becomes even less wise to choose that spot to overspend at the expense of others.
 




I would much rather they improve the defense by getting a top notch pass rushing OLB or DE. I am just not confident that will happen. As you mentioned they have money to spend but at what positions? OL, hopefully on Mankins and probably Light. OLB, who? DE, who? There's not a lot available in free agency. Signing NA would definitely improve the defense this year, drafting a rookie OLB or DE may or may not.

There are reportedly going to be over 500 FAs when the CBA gets hammered out, by far a record.
Many teams are cutting players, some in their prime, due to salary cap concerns.
This may end up being the best season since 2001 to have a good amount of cap room to spread across numerous acquisitions, starting with Marcus Stroud.
 
There are reportedly going to be over 500 FAs when the CBA gets hammered out, by far a record.
Many teams are cutting players, some in their prime, due to salary cap concerns.
This may end up being the best season since 2001 to have a good amount of cap room to spread across numerous acquisitions, starting with Marcus Stroud.

That would be good news if it's true. I don't think that can be taken to the bank yet though.
 
That would be good news if it's true. I don't think that can be taken to the bank yet though.
Well, you cant even take that there will be a season to the bank, but you said there are a lack of FAs this year, and the only way that could be true is if there is no season. The CBA cant extend players contracts that have expired.
 
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