Pats related topics on MMQB

[BPF]

Two Pats related topics from King's MMQB today.

BB operates under the same principle in terms of the draft.

Pro Football Hall of Fame committee under attack, per usual - Peter King - SI.com

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3. I think there's an interesting book out that will make you think about things you don't think about enough. It's called "Scorecasting,'' by Tobias J. Moskowitz and L. Jon Wertheim, the latter a Sports Illustrated writer. It's basically "Freakonomics for Sports," a counterintuitive look at things we've taken for granted, perhaps wrongly, over the years. A couple of NFL-related points:

• There's a lengthy chapter about how the Cowboys came to dominate NFL drafts, in part by relying on "The Chart," a draft-valuation guide. The conclusion: The top pick is the ultimate "winner's curse" and that teams are better off trading for more picks. The price slope is steep. The talent slope is modest.

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• The book discusses ref Mike Carey's non-sack-call before Eli Manning's pass to David Tyree in Super Bowl XLII. Classic omission bias. One offshoot: If Carey calls that in-the-grasp (as the authors think he would have done, had it been the second quarter), the Giants lose and Brady has four Super Bowl rings, distancing him from Montana, Aikman et al.

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[Sciz]

That play has haunted me for years. Any decent ref, and the Pats win that game on that play right there.

 

[DW Toys]

That play has haunted me for years. Any decent ref, and the Pats win that game on that play right there.

What is even worse there are no less than three holding calls and two face masks against the Giants on that same play. Look at the pics. Perhaps the worst single called play in the history of the SB.
Not even close.
DW Toys

 

[upstater1]

Think about being on the other side of the play though. If the ref blows the whistle, then everyone is livid.

 

[DarrylStingley]

That play has haunted me for years. Any decent ref, and the Pats win that game on that play right there.

When a player is in the grasp, the play stops. It matters not what opposing fans think. Manning Lite was in the grasp.

 

[Sciz]

What is even worse there are no less than three holding calls and two face masks against the Giants on that same play. Look at the pics. Perhaps the worst single called play in the history of the SB.
Not even close.
DW Toys

Exactly. If you do that play 100 times, they get that result literally once or twice. The horrible reffing coupled with the insanely lucky catch makes that hopefully something that we'll never have to deal with again.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

In the grasp? maybe...

Holding? most definitely!

 

[fair catch fryar]

Think about being on the other side of the play though. If the ref blows the whistle, then everyone is livid.

If the ref is afraid to make the right call then he has no business being there.

 

[vyrago]

That play has haunted me for years. Any decent ref, and the Pats win that game on that play right there.

Agreed. I was hollering during that play "whatever happened to 'in the grasp???' as the wrestling went on forever. It makes me sick just to think of it.

 

[jays52]

Yup. I clearly remember seeing Eli in the grasp and thinking, "Now don't just chuck him into the ground and get the unnessecary roughness. Game."

Worked out well.

 

[PaulThePat]

That play has haunted me for years. Any decent ref, and the Pats win that game on that play right there.

Wouldn't it have made it something like 4th and 16...i.e. not all over. I'm sure the gods were against us that night and I can imagine Eli would still have heaved a 30 yard pass to Burress on 4th down.

 

[BB4PRez]

In the grasp? maybe...

Holding? most definitely!

The only reason Manning escapes Seymour is because the Giants center nearly twists Seymour's helmet off. This is the play that makes me think that conspiracy theorists could be on to something.

 

[TheComeback]

Eli obviously wasn't in "the grasp" enough to make a history-changing call there, since he slipped out of it after about two and a half seconds. If he were really in the grasp, he wouldn't have broken free so quickly.

Having said that, there multiple blatant holding penalties going on during that play and we still managed to get a ton of pressure on him. Too bad Tyree pulled that play out of his ass, because our D was playing pretty well on that drive until he made the catch.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Eli obviously wasn't in "the grasp" enough to make a history-changing call there, since he slipped out of it after about two and a half seconds. If he were really in the grasp, he wouldn't have broken free so quickly.

Having said that, there multiple blatant holding penalties going on during that play and we still managed to get a ton of pressure on him. Too bad Tyree pulled that play out of his ass, because our D was playing pretty well on that drive until he made the catch.

It also didn't help that the refs gave them extra TOs on measurements. . . .