Bill O'Brien named OC ... and other coaching changes

[Fencer]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

The coaches f'ed up the Jets game-planning and adjustments. Period. It happens. But that doesn't mean BOB didn't have a fine year overall, with a highly successful offense.

The single player on the team who most needs to be "saved" is indeed Meriweather, who could be a perennial Pro Bowler or could be benched and then gone in a year. Chung also could be anywhere from a star to a liability.

 

[Water Boy]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

The coaches f'ed up the Jets game-planning and adjustments. Period. It happens. But that doesn't mean BOB didn't have a fine year overall, with a highly successful offense.

According to Ron Jaworski, who is one of the best game film analysts in the media, much of the blame for the Jets loss goes to Brady who numerous times did not see receivers who were open.

I think BOB did a fantastic job last year and I'm glad he got the OC title.

 

[Fencer]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

According to Ron Jaworski, who is one of the best game film analysts in the media, much of the blame for the Jets loss goes to Brady who numerous times did not see receivers who were open.

That doesn't exonerate the coaching. Brady sees more receivers than most QBs, but he doesn't see them all. He wasn't properly prepped for the defense he actually saw, and the coaches didn't bail things out in-game.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Mike Reiss just twittered that Bill O'brien will be O coordinator and QB coach..

Patricia to Safeties Coach..

Patrick Graham now LB Coach..

Wonder if BB will still be the D Coordinator???..

That's too bad. Was hoping for a major upgrade at OC.
Need somebody with enough cache to get in Brady's face when he needs it ala his uninspired lethargic bizarro effort vs the Jets.
Also might be nice to have a OC who actually makes in-game adjustments to counteract what the D is doing.
So much time has been wasted over the past few years dealing with coaches training wheels around here. Really is a shame.

 

[reflexblue]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Uhhh what?

Do you remember last year? Everyone wanted him run out on a rail. EVERYONE was saying we need a real OC. This year, in the regular season he did a lot better, but returned to his old self against the Jests in the playoffs. His play calling Stunck. Its as bad as my spelling.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

And no Bryan Cox? The Patriots really need someone like that....

 

[Gunnails]

A bit off topic.

Is there any O coordinators out there that any one thinks would be better then O'Brien?

The reason I ask is that on the Jet boards there is a lot of talk about getting rid of the Jets O coordinator and I have yet to here of an available replacement (Other then Callahan, and I like him only because he would not need to change verbiage and would give the O some continuity) who would be a definite upgrade.

TIA

 

[cmasspatsfan]

A bit off topic.

Is there any O coordinators out there that any one thinks would be better then O'Brien?

The reason I ask is that on the Jet boards there is a lot of talk about getting rid of the Jets O coordinator and I have yet to here of an available replacement (Other then Callahan, and I like him only because he would not need to change verbiage and would give the O some continuity) who would be a definite upgrade.

TIA

Anyones better than the guy you got, its got to be the most thankless job in the NFL, Ive never seen a coaching position take more heat from fans than the OC.
- Go 14-2, get rid of the guy
- score the most points in the NFL for the year, get rid of the guy
- your QB is unanimous MVP, get rid of the guy

 

[mgteich]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Patricia needs to coach another position or two to see if he is worthy of being promoted to Defensive Coordinator. Belichick can be acting DC for another year. We are still young enough on defense to need the extra attention.

Read some good stuff here: Bill O’Brien Named as New England Patriots Offensive Coordinator Patriots Plus

I thought Patricia was LB coach? Why is he making the change?

 

[Gunnails]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Patricia needs to coach another position or two to see if he is worthy of being promoted to Defensive Coordinator. Belichick can be acting DC for another year. We are still young enough on defense to need the extra attention.

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I agree, it occurs to me that this move could be considered a compliment to Patricia.

Could be that BB recognizes that the safety position is a problem/under achieving and wants his best man to take it over and make it the asset that BB believes it could be.

Pure conjecture, but what the hey, it's the off season.

 

[The Dynasty]

And no Bryan Cox? The Patriots really need someone like that....

Heard a rumor that this was possible. Its early in the off season, it could still happen

 

[The Dynasty]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Read some good stuff here: Bill O’Brien Named as New England Patriots Offensive Coordinator Patriots Plus

I thought Patricia was LB coach? Why is he making the change?

He was. To me him moving to safeties coach and working with less guys gives him more of an opportunity to focus on the defense as a whole and be the de facto DC

 

[Sciz]

Anyones better than the guy you got, its got to be the most thankless job in the NFL, Ive never seen a coaching position take more heat from fans than the OC.
- Go 14-2, get rid of the guy
- score the most points in the NFL for the year, get rid of the guy
- your QB is unanimous MVP, get rid of the guy

- Score 299 points in the last 8 games, an all-time NFL record, get rid of the guy
- Score the 8th most points in a season in NFL history, get rid of the guy


Let's not forget that this offense wasn't just the best this season, but one of the best all-time, and people want to get rid of the guy?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

A bit off topic.

Is there any O coordinators out there that any one thinks would be better then O'Brien?

The reason I ask is that on the Jet boards there is a lot of talk about getting rid of the Jets O coordinator and I have yet to here of an available replacement (Other then Callahan, and I like him only because he would not need to change verbiage and would give the O some continuity) who would be a definite upgrade.

TIA

There are some here as in every fanbase who think any name recognition OC would be a big improvement over whoever is coordinating their team when they don't win it all. Heck, NEM used to want Charlie fired even when we did win because we didn't win they way NEM thought we should...

People here also don't realize that with an outside OC comes a new scheme and verbiage. Not gonna happen here after a decade of relative (unless you're totally irrational and spoiled rotten) success with a HOF QB. This is the offense Bill brought with him from the Giants, even though some mistakenly believe it is something Charlie invented... Charlie learned it in his time with the JETS because it's what Parcell's ran too. All of the OC's who run it make a few tweeks here and there depending on personnel.

Schottsie Jr. isn't the JETS problem, it's the limitations or inconsistency at the QB position ever since he's been there...

 

[Rob0729]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Re-watching the SB vs the Eagles I was amazed to note that with Dillon in his prime and a young Branch, the O went 3 and out several times. Then I remembered that in football that is what happens quite often. We expect too much from our guys at times.

I thought O'Brien had a great 2010 season.

Actually I think the Pats went 3 and out five times in that Super Bowl game including the last two drives where all they had to do is keep the Eagles off the field and they wouldn't have gotten close to having a chance to win. Two of the three Patriots' TD drives in that game were drives that started fairly deep on the Eagles' side of the field (the first one started on the Eagles' 38 and the other started on the Eagles' 28). Even the Vinatieri field goal was a drive started on the Eagles' 47. The Pats had only one scoring drive the entire game where they started on their side of the field (the NE 31). Yet, people remember that game as a genius gameplan by Weis.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Actually I think the Pats went 3 and out five times in that Super Bowl game including the last two drives where all they had to do is keep the Eagles off the field and they wouldn't have gotten close to having a chance to win. Two of the three Patriots' TD drives in that game were drives that started fairly deep on the Eagles' side of the field (the first one started on the Eagles' 38 and the other started on the Eagles' 28). Even the Vinatieri field goal was a drive started on the Eagles' 47. The Pats had only one scoring drive the entire game where they started on their side of the field (the NE 31). Yet, people remember that game as a genius gameplan by Weis.

The Eagles had a very good defense in 2004. They finished 2nd in points allowed tied with the Patriots.

Sometimes a good defense is able to slow down a good offense.

 

[Water Boy]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

That doesn't exonerate the coaching. Brady sees more receivers than most QBs, but he doesn't see them all. He wasn't properly prepped for the defense he actually saw, and the coaches didn't bail things out in-game.

I'm not saying BOB is infallible, but how specifically do you lay the blame on him for the loss to Jets? How do you know that he wasn't prepared for the looks that the Jets gave.

Was BOB responsible for the interception on the screen pass to BJGE or the dropped pass by Crump in the endzone?

During the 7 minute drive, Brady struggled in his pre-snap reads and kept checking down to the run, taking too much time off of the clock. On the sidelines BB was yelling at Brady to Pass the ball.

 

[Fencer]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

Was BOB responsible for the interception on the screen pass to BJGE or the dropped pass by Crump in the endzone?

No, but those were two of the few drives that went well.

If Brady is botching the plays, change the play-calling. If Brady is blowing his reads, explain EXACTLY what he saw wrong to help him.

Most of the blame is probably Brady's. But when a guy as good as Brady does so terrible a job of executing a game plan, you have to think that the coaches who know him so well might on another day have helped him execute better.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

No, but those were two of the few drives that went well.

If Brady is botching the plays, change the play-calling. If Brady is blowing his reads, explain EXACTLY what he saw wrong to help him.

Most of the blame is probably Brady's. But when a guy as good as Brady does so terrible a job of executing a game plan, you have to think that the coaches who know him so well might on another day have helped him execute better.

He wasn't doing so terrible a job of executing the game plan. He made a mistake. Then his receivers weren't getting open or getting remotely decent separation and they were dropping balls. He was running the ball against a passing D. Why Bill was losing his mind on the sidelines is beyond me, had he been calling for Brady to pick up the pace I would get it... When a team is not prepared to counter what an opponent presents, as opposed to not showing effort, it's on the coaching staff. The INT was on Brady, the rest was on the whole team including the coaching staff. And the defense as well as the offense for giving back scores in record time. And ST for contributing less than zero. Lapses in execution and questionable preparation.

Some of you have to come to terms with the simple fact that sometimes it's just not your day for a variety of reasons and it's not easily dismissed by scapegoating any one individual. Sometimes it's just the other guys day to pull it all together. And sometimes it's better to be lucky than good. Watch other teams as closely as you do this one and you might begin to realize it happens to all 31 of them, too, at least 75% of the time or a lot more. Fans in GB wanted Ted Thompson and Mike McCarthy (who is his teams defacto OC) canned six weeks before they won the Lombardi... A year of two ago they still wanted Favre and wanted the FO canned for sticking with Rogers and letting their legendary gunslinging INT machine walk... He wouldn't have won them that game, any more than he won them the other one.

Good thing the most successful pros don't generally listen to their fans, whose reactions tend to be kneejerk, emotionally fueled and devoid of any real knowledge or understanding of the game beyond we better win...or heads better roll.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: According to Reiss we have an offensive coordinator..coaching changes

I'm not saying BOB is infallible, but how specifically do you lay the blame on him for the loss to Jets? How do you know that he wasn't prepared for the looks that the Jets gave.

Was BOB responsible for the interception on the screen pass to BJGE or the dropped pass by Crump in the endzone?

During the 7 minute drive, Brady struggled in his pre-snap reads and kept checking down to the run, taking too much time off of the clock. On the sidelines BB was yelling at Brady to Pass the ball.

Not to get into the whole Jets game again, but yes, BOB was (partially) responsible for the interception on the screen pass to BJGE. That was a terrible play call that should never have been made. You don't call that type of screen against a defense that is back on its heels.