Last 11 teams to win a super bowl... defense wins championships

[upstater1]

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I don't give a F about the points scored in 2003. Balt and Pitt scored 50 something points last week.
Are they offensive or defensive teams?.....thank you

And so weren't the Panthers and Patriots in 2003.
And thanks for making my point.Defensive teams scoring a crap load of points is more of an abboration than highpowered offences being shutdown in the playoffs.
Once again your pointing to the exception rather than the rule.

Bizarre reasoning. You're prepared to rationalize anything. I never get into discussions with people like you.

 

[Patradomous]

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Bizarre reasoning.

You are the one picking out the exceptions rather than the rule.Thats whats bizzare.

Most these teams listed were because their defense was the stongest part of their team and in the tops of league...and no they were not alway thee best D in the league.



Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

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2000 Ravens Defense
2001 Pats (Defense)
2002 Tampa (D)
2003 Pats (D)
2004 Pats (D)
2005 Pitt (D)
2006 Colts (O)
2007 Giants (D)
2008 Pitt (D)
2009 Saints (O)
2010 Pitt/Packers (D)

 

[Ring 6]

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You are the one picking out the exceptions rather than the rule.Thats whats bizzare.

Most these teams listed were because their defense was the stongest part of their team and in the tops of league...and no they were not alway thee best D in the league.



Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

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2000 Ravens Defense
2001 Pats (Defense)
2002 Tampa (D)
2003 Pats (D)
2004 Pats (D)
2005 Pitt (D)
2006 Colts (O)
2007 Giants (D)
2008 Pitt (D)
2009 Saints (O)
2010 Pitt/Packers (D)

IMO, most of the teams you are calling defensive were actually balanced, good on both sides of the ball.

 

[Patradomous]

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IMO, most of the teams you are calling defensive were actually balanced, good on both sides of the ball.

I can except that.

I want to see Tom Brady being known as the greatest QB of all time.
But as long as you have a defense that can't hold a team when you are behind 14-11 in the fourth quarter,or hold a lead when your ahead 14-10 on the final drive.Then guys like Big ben will be said in the same breath as Tom B.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

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For some of you guys get through your head until the Pats are a top ten defense they have virtually no shot at winning

The defense is in the middle of a rebuild. It's not going to happen overnight, some of you guys just need to show a little bit more patience in what BB is building here. Give the youngsters another offseason, the return of Leigh Bodden/Ty Warren/Mike Wright, a couple solid picks at DE and OLB, and I think we have a top 5 defense next year that can get to the passer.

 

[Brady2Welker]

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Like I saidI don't care if they change the rules to touch football its reletive point.You have to play at the top of the league in defense in playoffs to win the poilian rules apply to everybody.

Oh, I forgot, you're right, no other team's stats are influenced by complimentary football.

Did you forget that Belichick will give up yards but not points?

In the Colts-Jets game, I saw Manning go up top to Garcon for a bomb. When is the last time you saw Manning do something like that to the Patriots? Right there, that tells you the difference between Belichick's defense and Ryan's. Belichick will not allow you to beat him over the top, and the defense gives up fewer points because they allow the short stuff and shut down the bombs.

I also see you didn't address my point about the Patriots offense winning the Super Bowl in 2003.[/QUOTE]

Are you seriously trying to say that our third down conversion percentage is acceptable to Belichick? The defensive philosophy might be such that it's okay to give up small plays and make them work harder to get down the field but nothing about it says it's okay to give up as many third and longs as we do.

 

[Ron Sellers]

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70% of the last ten SB winners were teams could win the game with there Defense and did so.
The rules have changed over the years in the offenses favor, but its all relative.If they changed the rules to touch football it still comes down to the best defensive touch football team.

Altogether now.

What wins championships?
Defense.

For some of you guys get through your head until the Pats are a top ten defense they have virtually no shot at winning

I think that's a little over top, isn't it?

I don't know of anyone that is saying the Patriots defense doesn't need to improve. Improving the defense (specifically the pass rush) of the Pats has been the most talked about topic on this site for two years; you make it sound as if nobody is aware of that need.

If there's an issue, I think it is with some people that seem to think that a team can turn into an elite defense overnight with a snap of Bill Belichick's fingers. It takes time to replace all but one player (Wilfork) on a team's defense. When some of the replacements don't work out as hoped (Thomas, Crable, Burgess, McKenzie), and others spend the entire season on IR (Bodden, Warren) then it's frankly unreasonable to expect the team to replace Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Samuel, Colvin, Seau, Hobbs, Green, Gay, Wilson, etc. with equally productive players overnight.

If a team - any team - has no shot at winning without a top ten defense then how do you explain the Colts and Saints SB wins? How do you explain the Patriots getting as close as they did this year?

Why does it have to be just one or the other? What's wrong with balance and complimentary football?

 

[glm]

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Rankings are in points for offense/defense. Y/A for passing and rushing (passing takes into account sacks). They're not perfect, but it's more accurate than OP's post.

2000 Ravens - O: 14th. D: 1st. Passing: 24th. Rushing: 8th. Average offensive. Great defense. Bad Passing. Good rushing.
2001 Pats - O: 6th. D: 6th. Passing: 15th. Rushing: 24th. Good offense. Good defense. Average passing. Bad rushing.
2002 Tampa - O: 18th. D: 1st. Passing: 21st. Rushing: 28th. Below average offense. Great defense. Bad rushing.
2003 Pats - O: 12th. D: 1st. Passing: 13th. Rushing: 30th. Above average offense. Great defense. Above average passing. Bad rushing.
2004 Pats - O: 4th. D: 2nd. Passing: 7th. Rushing: 18th. Very good offense. Great defense. Good Passing. Below average rushing.
2005 Pitt - O: 9th. D: 3rd. Passing: 2nd. Rushing: 12th. Good offense. Great defense. Great passing. Pretty good running.
2006 Colts - O: 2nd. D: 23rd. Passing: 1st. Rushing: 16th. Great offense. Bad defense. Great passing. Average rushing.
2007 Giants - O: 14th. D: 17th. Passing: 22nd. Rushing: 4th. Average offense. Average defense. Bad paassing. Very good rushing.
2008 Pitt - O: 20th. D: 1st. Passing: 20th. Rushing: 29th. Pretty bad offense. Great defense. Pretty bad passing. Bad rushing.
2009 Saints - O: 1st. D: 20th. Passing: 2nd. Rushing: 7th. Great offense. Pretty bad defense. Great passing. Good rushing.



2010 Packers - O: 10th. D: 2nd. Passing: 3rd. Rushing: 25th. Good offense. Great defense. Great passing. Bad rushing.
2010 Steelers - 12th. D: 1st. Passing: 5th. Rushing: 18th. Pretty good offense. Great defense. Good passing. Below average rushing.

 

[upstater1]

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Oh, I forgot, you're right, no other team's stats are influenced by complimentary football.

Did you forget that Belichick will give up yards but not points?

In the Colts-Jets game, I saw Manning go up top to Garcon for a bomb. When is the last time you saw Manning do something like that to the Patriots? Right there, that tells you the difference between Belichick's defense and Ryan's. Belichick will not allow you to beat him over the top, and the defense gives up fewer points because they allow the short stuff and shut down the bombs.

I also see you didn't address my point about the Patriots offense winning the Super Bowl in 2003.

Are you seriously trying to say that our third down conversion percentage is acceptable to Belichick? The defensive philosophy might be such that it's okay to give up small plays and make them work harder to get down the field but nothing about it says it's okay to give up as many third and longs as we do.[/QUOTE]

The defense is not as good as it used to be. Even by ranking of points allowed it's not. We used to be top 3 in the league. The defense can get better. My point was that the Patriots are not the 25th worst defense in the league. That's cherry-stat-picking.

As far as the first quote you responded to, I didn't write that, someone else did.

 

[Bledsoe11]

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Balanced teams win championships.

Clay Matthews wins championships:bricks:

 

[Lansdowne]

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The exception with the 2006 Colts is odd in that their awful regular season defense played GREAT in the postseason, largely CARRYING their offense.

agreed (10 char)

 

[Brettlax3434]

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Balanced teams win championships.

Correct. 10 char

 

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[brdmaverick]

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I think it might be reaching to call the Packers a defensive team. Do they have a good defense? Definitely (and one that's very fun to watch IMO) but I wouldn't put them in the same category as the Steelers or Ravens when it comes to playing defense. When I think Packers first thing that comes to mind is an explosive, pass-based offense

Agreed, I see the Packers as more defined by their offense than defense.


DA on the sports hub was making the point that the all of the conference championship teams were running teams. Making the point that until the Pats become a running team, they have no shot. Um, did he really count the Packers as a running team? Yes he did. A REAAAAAAAAAL stretch if you ask me.

 

[tedy hagler]

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One advantage good defenses have is they can elevate their game for a short period of time with sheer, almost manic, energy, with the '01 Patriots and '07 Giants being Exhibit A & A1. A 2-3 game tournament can be won with that sort of push.

 

[brdmaverick]

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...... then it's frankly unreasonable to expect the team to replace Harrison, Vrabel, Bruschi, Seymour, Samuel, Colvin, Seau, Hobbs, Green, Gay, Wilson, ......

That makes me druel just thinking about how good our defense was in 2007. They probably weren't statistically one of the top D's as a result of playing with huge leads (and giving up garbage yards), but just look at those players. I think all (except for maybe Wilson) were on that team. Throw in Vince Wilfork and that was a dominant defense.

The first four games were played without Harrison and Seymour and no one seemed to notice.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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A dream team would be one that ranks in the upper teens or better on both offense and defense...that alone would make them championship caliber.

You can't have a team ranked up high on offense and about 30th on defense if you want to win a championship....you might get away with it for a while but it will catch up to you..and it did for the 2010 Pats

If our defense played up to the upper teens rank next season and our offense dropped down into the upper teens we would still be more dangerous in the playoffs than we were this year.

I am tired of the Pats having to ride practically the whole team and season on the shoulders and back of Tom Brady....he deserves to get some of that load removed and we need to if we are to win another Lombardi Trophy

 

[Marqui]

Re: Last 11 teams to win a super bowl...

A dream team would be one that ranks in the upper teens or better on both offense and defense...that alone would make them championship caliber.

You can't have a team ranked up high on offense and about 30th on defense if you want to win a championship....you might get away with it for a while but it will catch up to you..and it did for the 2010 Pats

If our defense played up to the upper teens rank next season and our offense dropped down into the upper teens we would still be more dangerous in the playoffs than we were this year.

I am tired of the Pats having to ride practically the whole team and season on the shoulders and back of Tom Brady....he deserves to get some of that load removed and we need to if we are to win another Lombardi Trophy

Basically. The Pats need to build a better defense and give Brady an explosive franchise RB to take pressure off him.