Game Thoughts

[Rob0729]

1.) First and foremost, kudos to the Jets. They outplayed and outcoached the Pats. Their defense for probably the first time all season really played like it did last year with a lot of pressure. They deserved to win.
2.) The fake punt was the dumbest move all year. Even if the Pats got it, the reward wasn't worth the risk. Better to go into the hald down 7-3 with the ball back in the second half than what happened. Even if they converted, no guarantee they would have scored.
3.) Where was the sense of urgency in the fourth? Before the Pats didn't convert the 4th down on that nearly 8 minute drive, I was thinking that the Pats are playing right into the Jets' hands.
4.) Didn't get the offensive play calling at all. Too much overrelying Woodhead draws at one point. Abandoned the run early. Over-relied on it late.
5.) Worst game by Brady all year. The guy looked lost. Too many open targets that he completely ignored to either hold onto the ball too long or force it to someone else.
6.) I thought the benching of Welker was stupid. Sorry, I can see that Belichick was doing, but in a game of this magnitude you don't purposely weaken your team for even a series. It wasn't high on the reasons the Pats lost, but Brady might not have thrown that INT if Welker was in.
7.) I actually thought the defense actually played well enough to win this game if the offense remotely showed up. The Jets scored on short fields which were set up by the offense and special teams mistakes. When the Jets had a long field, they didn't score. Only one of the Jets' TDs were for more than 50 yards. There was a lot that did wrong (third downs, red zone, and lack of QB pressure mostly), but if the Pats' offense wasn't going three and out a lot and putting the defense pined back in their territory they could have done enough to win.
8.) As bad as Brady was, his supporting cast around him weren't much better. Mankins played like crap a lot. Branch dropped a few passes he should have. Woodhead is starting to fumble too much. Stupid penalties.
9.) As disgusted I am tonight, the season itself was far better than I expected. I didn't expect the Pats to win the Super Bowl going in. I hate losing to the Jets. I do see a lot of bright spots for the future.

 

[Patradomous]

I agree 100%.

I'm not as disappointed as 07.

It was a great year anyway. The Pats were an Indy 14-2 not a Patriot 14-2.

Light in the seat in the runing game and defense, although the defense did play well enough to win. They were put in a bad spot all game.

I hope they draft 6 defensive players incuding pass rushers in the first 6 picks in the draft.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

they need some Olinemen from what I see too

 

[alvinnf]

1.) First and foremost, kudos to the Jets. They outplayed and outcoached the Pats. Their defense for probably the first time all season really played like it did last year with a lot of pressure. They deserved to win.
2.) The fake punt was the dumbest move all year. Even if the Pats got it, the reward wasn't worth the risk. Better to go into the hald down 7-3 with the ball back in the second half than what happened. Even if they converted, no guarantee they would have scored.
3.) Where was the sense of urgency in the fourth? Before the Pats didn't convert the 4th down on that nearly 8 minute drive, I was thinking that the Pats are playing right into the Jets' hands.
4.) Didn't get the offensive play calling at all. Too much overrelying Woodhead draws at one point. Abandoned the run early. Over-relied on it late.
5.) Worst game by Brady all year. The guy looked lost. Too many open targets that he completely ignored to either hold onto the ball too long or force it to someone else.
6.) I thought the benching of Welker was stupid. Sorry, I can see that Belichick was doing, but in a game of this magnitude you don't purposely weaken your team for even a series. It wasn't high on the reasons the Pats lost, but Brady might not have thrown that INT if Welker was in.
7.) I actually thought the defense actually played well enough to win this game if the offense remotely showed up. The Jets scored on short fields which were set up by the offense and special teams mistakes. When the Jets had a long field, they didn't score. Only one of the Jets' TDs were for more than 50 yards. There was a lot that did wrong (third downs, red zone, and lack of QB pressure mostly), but if the Pats' offense wasn't going three and out a lot and putting the defense pined back in their territory they could have done enough to win.
8.) As bad as Brady was, his supporting cast around him weren't much better. Mankins played like crap a lot. Branch dropped a few passes he should have. Woodhead is starting to fumble too much. Stupid penalties.
9.) As disgusted I am tonight, the season itself was far better than I expected. I didn't expect the Pats to win the Super Bowl going in. I hate losing to the Jets. I do see a lot of bright spots for the future.

Great post..... The recent playoff swoon, makes me wonder about this club. Going forward we need another Bryan Cox acquisition.

 

[satz]

I think alot of people are frustrated and coming up with alot of reason.

we just did not have the DL to shut the run and we lost ROB and Eric late.
we need 3-4 ends we had love out there a backup a NT playing end.
we need 6 5 tall 310 lb guys .
on offence WR who are physical outside ,price has the size but not sure of attitude.

On ward to draft i always felt we where 1 draft from being good so here comes the draft.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Agreed all around. There's no defending the coaches or the fake punt, they were awful.

Brady was baaaaaad today. Haven't seen him this bad since the Baltimore debacle last year, not a good sign as much as I admire Brady.
- Awful INT on the first drive
- Some moments of poor pocket presense (mainly on his fumble that we luckily recovered)
- Threw behind Branch on 4th and 13, that's a throw he normally makes in his sleep regardless of the pressure
- Right before the 2 minute warning he throws a 3 yard pass to Welker, well short of the first. You HAVE to know in that situation get the first or throw the ball away. That's all I was thinking about before the play was run and you can't tell me Brady shouldn't have been aware of this. Just mind-boggling from one of the more cerebral QB's I've seen. If we kick the FG before the 2 minute warning we don't need to onside.
Last year I gave him a pass due to the injuries too and being his first year back but this year it's no excuse. For the first time ever I do not have 100% confidence in Brady heading into the playoffs anymore.

Was it Merriweather who took the awful angle on Crotchery's big catch and should have had him around midfield?

Just so many stupid mistakes and poor execution I could not believe this was the same team I watched the last 2 months. Absolutely mind boggling how different they looked today.

 

[Kontradiction]

The only part I really disagree on was the play of Mankins. I thought he and Light were the only OL playing well. Koppen sucked a fat one and Connolly sucked a fatter one. Pressure up the middle murdered our offense today. Since this is the thread to post it in, I might as well repeat a post of mine from another thread...

Oh please. Let's stop with that. The coaching staff has been excellent throughout the season. Bill O'Brien has been great throughout the season. Tonight he screwed the pooch. Execution and coaching were absolutely horrible.

1. The fake punt was one of the worst calls I've seen. IMO, you never attempt a fake punt unless you've crossed the 50 yard line. We were on our own 30 which meant that failure had the Jets already in field goal range. With Sanchez playing the way he was playing (relying on dump offs and short routes and not going deep), that move played right into the Jets hands. We have not been a particularly successful team going for it on fourth down and that only added to it. Shades of Indy in 2009 all over again.

2. Anybody still convinced that interior O-Line and DE are not issues which need to be dealt with early on in the draft? The interior blocking, particularly from Koppen and Connolly, was absolutely dreadful today. The Jets were getting pressure up the middle all day. This team could definitely use a youth movement at both C and RG. On the other side of the ball, the Jets didn't have to run up the middle. They were taking what they pleased on the outside all game long. DE must improve and, not to kick a dead horse, but this was really a spot where we could have used Seymour... AGAIN. Furthermore, Ninkovich is sub-par (and that's putting it kindly) at setting the edge. We need another OLB as well.

3. Defensively, Chung is still an issue in coverage. The Jets were going after him a lot today and, most of the time, Chung was behind the man he was supposed to be covering. Darius Butler was again abused by Braylon Edwards. McCourty looked like a rookie out there today, but was not nearly as bad in coverage as some of his counterparts. Bodden coming back healthy will be a welcome sight for this secondary as Holmes had his way at times with Arrington.

4. Brady hasn't resembled the quarterback of the past in the playoffs in the last couple of seasons. Last season, against Baltimore, he never looked comfortable in the pocket and was missing receiver after receiver. I dismissed that performance because I believed that he got hurt on the Ray Lewis sack and his O-Line didn't show up at all. They didn't show up in the first half today either, but there were moments where he had time and was throwing it at the feet of receivers who weren't even looking at him. He looked skittish and jittery in the pocket even when there wasn't any pressure on him. Suffice it to say that this team lived by Brady all season and, today, they very much died by him.

5. O'Brien made some very bad decisions today that he didn't usually make in the regular season. The Jets were playing man coverage and were typically dropping a safety down into the box leaving one safety deep. With that in mind, the TE's should have been burning up the seam (particularly Gronk) to make them pay for that. It worked sporadically throughout the game when we actually let Gronk run routes. But Gronk, from what I saw, was relegated to blocking mostly later in the game. The sad thing was that, a lot of the time, Light had his man handled and Gronk wasn't blocking anybody. When you have a 6'7" TE like him and you aren't using him, something's wrong. Do I even have to bring up the abundance of running plays with five minutes to go or BB yelling at him to throw the football on the sidelines? Horrible decision. The team should have stopped giving Woodhead handoffs and should have relegated that duty to BJGE. Woodhead was relatively ineffective in the running game until the fourth quarter when the Jets were letting the Pats run the ball to help kill the clock. Woodhead should have only been used in the passing game. Another failure by BOB.

In all, there were failures in both execution and coaching today. But the coaching failures were MUCH more noticeable than they had been at any point in the regular season.

 

[Steeltown]

Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Fact is, ever since Spygate was exposed Cheatriots have won exactly nothing. Again, better team with time to prepare exposed weaker team with fraud coach. No one who watches clean pure football is surprised that Cheatriots lost. Just study the film pre-spygate and post-spygate. Steelers players laugh and remember Patriots player yelling out our play calls during 2005 championship game. They knew the fix was in and were proven right. Jets just played clean pure football with better players and won. Bill the genius exposed for the fraud he is again.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Fact is, ever since Spygate was exposed Cheatriots have won exactly nothing. Again, better team with time to prepare exposed weaker team with fraud coach. No one who watches clean pure football is surprised that Cheatriots lost. Just study the film pre-spygate and post-spygate. Steelers players laugh and remember Patriots player yelling out our play calls during 2005 championship game. They knew the fix was in and were proven right. Jets just played clean pure football with better players and won. Bill the genius exposed for the fraud he is again.

I guess we should start removing your Super Bowls in the 70's for rampant 'roid use, huh? What's the matter? Angry that you have nothing but fat women to pork in Pittsburgh?

 

[QuinielaBox]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

We were outwilled.

 

[QuinielaBox]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Fact is, ever since Spygate was exposed Cheatriots have won exactly nothing. Again, better team with time to prepare exposed weaker team with fraud coach. No one who watches clean pure football is surprised that Cheatriots lost. Just study the film pre-spygate and post-spygate. Steelers players laugh and remember Patriots player yelling out our play calls during 2005 championship game. They knew the fix was in and were proven right. Jets just played clean pure football with better players and won. Bill the genius exposed for the fraud he is again.

You are completely and unabashedly full of CHIT

 

[PatriotSpy]

started out flat on offense. That mind numbingly dumb int on a check down was a huge play as we had momentum on that drive. and i agree with the other poster who said benching welker to start the game was a dumb move. could have helped on that drive.

fake punt was dumb.

game plan was dumb.

bb was just numb. maybe slowly but surely the game is slipping him by? it happens with many great coaches. got to adapt to the way the game is changing and for him to be a defensive genious and the way the d has been suspect the past couple years, it makes me wonder....

 

[upstater1]

For next year, I would like to see the empty backfield 1/4 of the amount we see it now. When Brady has the threat of a runner behind him with play action, he literally has all day to throw.

I liked what the Patriots were doing early in throwing to the backs, it seemed to work well.

Just a thought, but what about Edelman returning kickoffs? Why not?


Oh, and Seattle was hosed badly in that Steelers Super Bowl, even the NFL apologized for that.

 

[Steeltown]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Are you serious? Lynn Swann, Terry Bradshaw, John Stallworth, Jack Ham, Mel Blount and Joe Greene took steriods? LMAO you have got to do better than that. You guys have exactly one Hall of Fame Player from your Super Bowl Teams. We now know how you won those games, video tape and fraud.

 

[stcjones]

1.) First and foremost, kudos to the Jets. They outplayed and outcoached the Pats. Their defense for probably the first time all season really played like it did last year with a lot of pressure. They deserved to win.
2.) The fake punt was the dumbest move all year. Even if the Pats got it, the reward wasn't worth the risk. Better to go into the hald down 7-3 with the ball back in the second half than what happened. Even if they converted, no guarantee they would have scored.
3.) Where was the sense of urgency in the fourth? Before the Pats didn't convert the 4th down on that nearly 8 minute drive, I was thinking that the Pats are playing right into the Jets' hands.
4.) Didn't get the offensive play calling at all. Too much overrelying Woodhead draws at one point. Abandoned the run early. Over-relied on it late.
5.) Worst game by Brady all year. The guy looked lost. Too many open targets that he completely ignored to either hold onto the ball too long or force it to someone else.
6.) I thought the benching of Welker was stupid. Sorry, I can see that Belichick was doing, but in a game of this magnitude you don't purposely weaken your team for even a series. It wasn't high on the reasons the Pats lost, but Brady might not have thrown that INT if Welker was in.
7.) I actually thought the defense actually played well enough to win this game if the offense remotely showed up. The Jets scored on short fields which were set up by the offense and special teams mistakes. When the Jets had a long field, they didn't score. Only one of the Jets' TDs were for more than 50 yards. There was a lot that did wrong (third downs, red zone, and lack of QB pressure mostly), but if the Pats' offense wasn't going three and out a lot and putting the defense pined back in their territory they could have done enough to win.
8.) As bad as Brady was, his supporting cast around him weren't much better. Mankins played like crap a lot. Branch dropped a few passes he should have. Woodhead is starting to fumble too much. Stupid penalties.
9.) As disgusted I am tonight, the season itself was far better than I expected. I didn't expect the Pats to win the Super Bowl going in. I hate losing to the Jets. I do see a lot of bright spots for the future.

Good overall post and summary of the reasons why we lost....the special teams were awful tonight too....and graham kicking to the 15 everytime and the special teams letting cro run it back to give the jests good field position was a huge difference maker.....just a total team suckfest.....

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Are you serious? Lynn Swann, Terry Bradshaw, John Stallworth, Jack Ham, Mel Blount and Joe Greene took steriods? LMAO you have got to do better than that. You guys have exactly one Hall of Fame Player from your Super Bowl Teams. We now know how you won those games, video tape and fraud.

Right, because we only went undefeated in the regular season without it and reached the Super Bowl without it. What's your excuse for our regular season this year? Were we taping teams again? By the way, stealing signals isn't illegal. To believe that, you must have never played sports in your life. Stealing signals is a practice that happens at the pee-wee level. Taping them FROM WHERE WE DID is a rules infraction, however. But why am I even arguing this? Go feast on some fat Pittsburgh ass, my friend. You've earned it. Particularly since you don't seem to be aware of the rampant 'roid use of the Steelers in the 70's.

 

[upstater1]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

Are you serious? Lynn Swann, Terry Bradshaw, John Stallworth, Jack Ham, Mel Blount and Joe Greene took steriods? LMAO you have got to do better than that. You guys have exactly one Hall of Fame Player from your Super Bowl Teams. We now know how you won those games, video tape and fraud.

They were on steroids, it's documented.

By the way, videotape is only useful if you played that team that season. The Patriots never even played their SB opponents in those years. Try again moron.

 

[DaBruinz]

I can't fault the play of Mankins.. There were a couple of run alignments that were friggin wierd where they lined up Light next to Koppen and with Mankins, Connolly and Vollmer to the right.. And both times, the play got blown up..

Koppen was horrible out there again.. He blew several protections and was left standing around looking dumb as the Jets planted Brady..

The play calling was horrible.. There was no consistency to it.. No rhythm.. And it didn't help that the receivers didn't execute..

That being said, Brady was bad out there also.. I don't think he was 100%.. Not sure what he was doing prior to the game, but it looked like he and another player were sniffing smelling salts or some other concoction to stop their noses from running..

Now, with all that being said, I am proud of them. They did better than anyone expected prior to the start of the year. And I expect next year to be even better.

 

[pheenix11]

While watching Brady hold the ball forever and then get nailed did anyone else have flashbacks of Bledsoe?

Serious what was he doing? I saw outlet receivers open and he was looking for what? Can't use the Moss excuse anymore, he wasn't there. 3 good TE's and a great receiving RB and slot WR and he couldn't find anyone to dump it off when the alarm started going off in his head? He held the ball WAY too long.

 

[Steeltown]

Re: Cheatriots exposed again no surprise.

LOL Fat Girl jokes and roid accusations? Thats the best you can throw at us? I will take my clean pure 6 Lombardi trophies all day. Oh, and by the way, we will add a 7th Lombardi trophy to the case after we beat the Jets and the Packers. You can have Pretty Boy Tom and Belicheat. I will take the Lombardi Trophies...