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Mangini: Here's how Jets can take down the Patriots - NYPOST.com

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New England doesn't lose the game, and they're really good at capitalizing on other people's mistakes. That's huge.

It all seems simple, but it's not. I lived it for so long when I coached for Bill Belichick in New England. There's always this starting point: Don't lose the game. Don't put yourself in a position defensively or offensively where you're giving away plays.

The key component for us in our win over the Patriots was our ability to run the ball and have long drives and not have the self-inflicted wounds.

The Patriots always are going to find the opponents' strength and attack it.

They always are going to work to make you play left-handed. It's like: "If this is your greatest strength, we're going to take that away. If you beat us with your second or third thing, fine, but you're not going to beat us with the thing you do best."

WOW Genius! My 6 year old also knows this

The first thing the Patriots are going to try to stop is the Jets' running game. New England is going to have something gameplan specific for this game to help them stop the run.

They're going to try to keep Mark Sanchez in the pocket and make him throw from the pocket. That's a real strength of the Jets -- Sanchez's ability to make plays outside the pocket.

The Jets will move the pocket, play bootlegs, throw some fast passes, throw in some misdirection plays. Those are good for Sanchez. He puts pressure on the perimeter of the New England defense.

The Jets have got to have long, sustained drives that end in points. The best way to beat Tom Brady is to not have him on the field. And when he's on field, make it cloudy, cloudy, cloudy. Eventually he's going to get you; it's a law of averages. So the fewer opportunities he has to get you, the better your chances.

Defensively against Brady you have to spin the Rolodex and not let him know what defense you're in. You have to make sure you don't show a pattern, not letting it look like he expects it to look. That's when you have your best shot.

The Patriots will work hard to gather information with long, delayed counts. They may try to speed it up with a no-huddle or quick counts, so it's a back-and-forth. You're trying not to give him anything and they've got tools to gather information.

In our 2006 game -- a 17-14 Jets win over the Patriots at Gillette Stadium, the last time Brady lost at home -- we hit Brady a bunch of times because we had a massive commitment to disguise, disguise, disguise and they hadn't seen it, hadn't expected it. The next game -- a 37-16 New England wild-card win over the Jets -- they built in tools to deal with it.


You have to start with a plan against the Patriots, but you better have something else as a changeup. In the Browns' Nov. 7 win, we had one game plan for the first half and a different game plan for second half. Then we went back to some stuff in second half from first half.

When I came to the Jets, everything was designed and built to beat New England. One of the main reasons I hired offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer was because the Patriots always struggled against that system of shifting and motioning that Schottenheimer does. It's a very disciplined approach against the role-based offense the Patriots employ.

That can be a factor because New England has a young defense.

We drafted to try to beat the Patriots, because if you can't beat them you can't win the division. The reason we drafted Nick Mangold was because we needed a center to hold up against the nose guard, which is the driving force in a 3-4 defense, especially for an inside running game. We drafted Mangold to battle Patriots nose tackle Vince Wilfork.

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The Jets have a lot of great matchups to pressure the inside of the Patriots defense with tight end Dustin Keller and wide receiver Jerricho Cotchery, and they have two outstanding receivers on the outside, Braylon Edwards and Santonio Holmes.
 
Hope those who played the game can throw more light on whether these are gems that the opponents can use. Guess not because this has been pointed out by others even earlier.

Irrespective of that, I am disgusted that an ex-coach would want to comment this extensively against his former team that is about to play an important game the next day.

Hope the Jets read this and decide to apply it. For, I am sure BB is also aware of it and would have planned for it. :)
 
Ummm, not sure where the cheap shots are....it actually seems very well written, as much as I hate to say it against that Rat Fink !@#$
 
No wonder the Jets suck so much. Instead of creating a system that helps them win in all 16 games, they designed one intended to win only 2 per year. Can't believe people in the NFL are really that stupid.
 
I don't see any reason to bash the guy for what he said in this news article. He's just stating the facts. Lighten up buddy.
 
No wonder the Jets suck so much. Instead of creating a system that helps them win in all 16 games, they designed one intended to win only 2 per year. Can't believe people in the NFL are really that stupid.

The Jets have been building their team to beat the Pats since probably before Woody Johnson has taken over the team. They more any other team has been playing keep up with the Pats. First they tried to copy Belichick with Mangini. Now they got the anti-Belichick in Ryan.
 
He didn't say anything that wasn't already pretty clear about the Patriots. I think he actually did a pretty nice job explaining things that could be understood by a casual fan. I'm sure he could get into a more technical explanation, but it would bore most readers.
 
Lol our boy Rodney Harrison has been giving the blueprint on how to beat us each week during the regular season in Sunday Night.
 
seems to make some good points....i don't think it is anything real new though
 
He seems to forget that in that 06 game the field was so bad they went to field turf immediately afterward. Further, if coming in with a completely unexpected game plan is all it takes why wouldn't he have done that in the playoff game so we couldnt adjust?
 
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I don't think the Jets will be able to modify their gameplan 24 hours before the game...
 
There is a video in which Mangina told he had 2 game plans in Clevelenad game. He said he changed the defensive game plan so that PATS couldn't figure out his schemes.
 
What is funny is the Jets draft to beat the Patriots. The Patriots draft to win the Super Bowl.
 
I'm not making the connection between the thread title and the article. :confused:
 
What is funny is the Jets draft to beat the Patriots. The Patriots draft to win the Super Bowl.

What's even better is they designed the defense in the off season around the concept of shutting down Randy Moss.
 
He seems to forget that in that 06 game the field was so bad they went to field turf immediately afterward. Further, if coming in with a completely unexpected game plan is all it takes why wouldn't he have done that in the playoff game so we couldnt adjust?

Lest we forget the Doug Gabriel drop(fumble)...... Also the fact that we played in the AFCCG.
I do miss the grass though.
 
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Don't worry you're not alone ;)

I think the OP got confused at what it means in football to "get hits on QB" and "take away their best weapon". Pretty sure he doesnt mean it maliciously but just in football turns you want to hit the QB which means youre getting pressure on him. Pressure = good for your defense, hitting him doesnt necessarily mean youre trying to hurt the guy. Also taking away somebody in a game is more likely through schemes, coverage, etc. Basically taking away his production not sending him to the X-ray room.

Totally justified article that states pretty obvious things that have been stated before. Nothing cheap here in my opinion.
 
When the Patriots lose games, it is usually because the team outplays them soundly. Usually, the Patriots have to be overmatched physically in the trenches for this to happen. That is what happened agaisnt Baltimore (last January), the Jets (Game 2), and the Browns (Game 7 or 8 this year). I don't think it is rocket science here. Eric is pretty much spot on and I don't have a problem with him.
 
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