Marshall FaulK: New England v. New Orleans in Super Bowl

[Fahrenhype]

A Patriots v Saints Super Bowl would be pretty cool. I like like both teams a lot, but I'd have to root for NE. Brady needs to get five rings so there is little debate about GOAT.

As Keyser said, he doesn't need five rings for that distinction. He has done things no other player has done with less offensive talent around him, all during the salary cap era. You can't make much of an evaluation before he has called it quits anyway. I'm not going to be more impressed with him as a quarterback if he breaks other records just by hanging around well past his expiration date the way Favre did. He has already done a lot as a main contributing factor to his team's success, and I expect him to do a lot more.

 

[strngplyr]

As Keyser said, he doesn't need five rings for that distinction. He has done things no other player has done with less offensive talent around him, all during the salary cap era. You can't make much of an evaluation before he has called it quits anyway. I'm not going to be more impressed with him as a quarterback if he breaks other records just by hanging around well past his expiration date the way Favre did. He has already done a lot as a main contributing factor to his team's success, and I expect him to do a lot more.

Bolded statement goes unnoticed far too often. The fact that this team has had 70's steelers-like success during the salary cap age is impressive. 10+ wins every year, very good shot at AFCE title every year, wildcard at the worst (11-5 and no playoffs? honestly? bs imo!).

 

[robbomango]

Watching Faulk debate Michael Irving over Tom Brady's place in history last week was painful. Faulk's message was clear "I hate Tom Brady" making it sound like circus monkeys could have the same success under BB's magical system
. He compared Brady to bradshaw and Big ben but he'll never touch an Elway, Manning or Montana. Even thought Mannings one Ring was more impressive than Toms 3 and a 4th, 5th or 6th wouldn't change his mind either. Irving's jaw dropped for a minute, dumb founded by faulk's irrational hate fest.

he still hates the Pats, no doubt. link to debate below

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[Patjew]

The stupidity of Colts fans often manages to rival that of the Raiders fans, and even Jets supporters. It's comforting to know that blind stupidity is rampant in the heartland as well as on the Coasts.

So basically, people everywhere are stupid. I can buy into that. It extends overseas, too, believe me.

 

[Fahrenhype]

Bolded statement goes unnoticed far too often. The fact that this team has had 70's steelers-like success during the salary cap age is impressive. 10+ wins every year, very good shot at AFCE title every year, wildcard at the worst (11-5 and no playoffs? honestly? bs imo!).

Yeah I think that is the major accomplishment, perhaps mostly because of the roster turnaround on the other side of the ball. Brady can make things happen throwing to nearly anybody, we saw that in 2006. But can you imagine if they had the benefit of the defense always being how it was in 2003?

Historically you almost might have to look at the BB/TB era Pats as having been two different dynasties because there has been so many changes in roster that is kind of hard to consider this 14 win season as being part of the same run from a few years ago.

 

[pherein]

Watching Faulk debate Michael Irving over Tom Brady's place in history last week was painful. Faulk's message was clear "I hate Tom Brady" making it sound like circus monkeys could have the same success under BB's magical system
. He compared Brady to bradshaw and Big ben but he'll never touch an Elway, Manning or Montana. Even thought Mannings one Ring was more impressive than Toms 3 and a 4th, 5th or 6th wouldn't change his mind either. Irving's jaw dropped for a minute, dumb founded by faulk's irrational hate fest.

he still hates the Pats, no doubt. link to debate below

NFL Videos: Where will Brady rank among all-time QBs?

I dont understand were you got Faulk hates Brady from this? It seemed to be a simple opinion that Manning took a team from nothing and Brady didn't. Seems wrong to me, but Im not seeing the hate in this. He grouped Brady with montana.
Maybe Im slow, just not seeing it.

 

[robbomango]

I dont understand were you got Faulk hates Brady from this? It seemed to be a simple opinion that Manning took a team from nothing and Brady didn't. Seems wrong to me, but Im not seeing the hate in this. He grouped Brady with montana.
Maybe Im slow, just not seeing it.

He put Brady with Bradshaw and Big Ben and Montana, Manning, Elway etc. were the big boys. Saying Brady never had to deal with pressure, anybody could fill that role, come on. I've caught a few shows we're he's talked this nonsense, any professional analyst slanting TB, sub-par or average has issues. He has issues with the Pats and needs to grow up. Maybe the latest shows are on a high note haven't seen them.

 

[robbomango]

I've been polluting the thread with old Marshall material, couldn't help it.

In regards to the saints vs Pats Super bowl, Drew Brees brings his A game to big games, a class act, can't say enough about him and don't want play him. Seems like a game that would come down to the last possession,(scary). Pats vs Falcons

These new patriots are cutch play makers, as long as the D doesn't go into swiss cheese mode they're golden.

 

[pherein]

He put Brady with Bradshaw and Big Ben and Montana, Manning, Elway etc. were the big boys. Saying Brady never had to deal with pressure, anybody could fill that role, come on. I've caught a few shows we're he's talked this nonsense, any professional analyst slanting TB, sub-par or average has issues. He has issues with the Pats and needs to grow up. Maybe the latest shows are on a high note haven't seen them.

"were the big boys" What does that mean?

I would like you to post those statements or vids. Faulk is defiantly a Saint homer, excuses my ignorance, Im not seeing that he hates the Patriots. Thats a pretty interesting statement considering he picks you for the SB.
You think everyone hates Brees when hes not up for MVP? In 2008,2009, and when he beats vick in all # except interceptions, and with a injury and no RB's?
We don't see the hate there, we see them missing the point, but not hate. Maybe were navie but were just not seeing it.
Feel some love think it over.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkHTsc9PU2A

 

[fnordcircle]

I dont understand were you got Faulk hates Brady from this? It seemed to be a simple opinion that Manning took a team from nothing and Brady didn't. Seems wrong to me, but Im not seeing the hate in this. He grouped Brady with montana.
Maybe Im slow, just not seeing it.

You really cannot overestimate your average patsfans.com poster's abillity to go into a frothing seizure at the merest hint of criticism or preference for another team/player by a media dude.

 

[eagle eye]

Well firstly I predicted a Saints/Patriots superbowl before the season began and I still see it as likely to happen. Remember the Saints went into Atlanta and beat them just two weeks ago.

On Marshall Faulk, well its hard to know where to begin with him but he really does not like the Patriots. I'm not a homer by any stretch but even I can see that.

On Tom Brady, last year he said he was like Trent Dilfer and that the defense won things not him up until 2007 when Randy Moss joined the team. Like thats just ludicrous.

 

[robbomango]

"were the big boys" What does that mean?

I would like you to post those statements or vids. Faulk is defiantly a Saint homer, excuses my ignorance, Im not seeing that he hates the Patriots. Thats a pretty interesting statement considering he picks you for the SB.
You think everyone hates Brees when hes not up for MVP? In 2008,2009, and when he beats vick in all # except interceptions, and with a injury and no RB's?
We don't see the hate there, we see them missing the point, but not hate. Maybe were navie but were just not seeing it.
Feel some love think it over.
YouTube - Jason Mraz - I'm Yours (Live On Earth Single Video)

Fine he misses the point, when an analyst is still missing the point in 4 years and 2 more Brees Super bowls rings you'll start to wonder. I'm over this topic, i respect your opinion. GL w your team, Brees one of my favorite qb's more rings in his future, I'm sure.

Why Does Marshall Faulk Hate Tom Brady? -- NFL FanHouse

 

[pherein]

Fine he misses the point, when an analyst is still missing the point in 4 years and 2 more Brees Super bowls rings you'll start to wonder. I'm over this topic, i respect your opinion. GL w your team, Brees one of my favorite qb's more rings in his future, I'm sure.

Why Does Marshall Faulk Hate Tom Brady? -- NFL FanHouse

point well taken. I respect your view , very much as well. Tho the link proves little, I will reconsider your position. It seems very odd that Faulk has a personal hate for your QB, I don't see a connection there. But, by your efforts I will try to look for one. I may very well be wrong. I may be blind to it.

 

[pherein]

You really cannot overestimate your average patsfans.com poster's abillity to go into a frothing seizure at the merest hint of criticism or preference for another team/player by a media dude.

I think I could fight you on the average. There is very little average about this site. They have no problem taking a lung if you don't get your facts strait. But they allow a heart to spew like a fool.

always liked your post fnordcircle, your honest and you put it out there.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

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Marshall Faulk is a conspicuous example of former players not always being a good choice for game analysis. Forgive my condescension, however, how does Marshall Faulk rate a post on his spoken analysis? Bye week doldrums? A visceral reaction similar to the need to look at a car accident?

 

[stcjones]

point well taken. I respect your view , very much as well. Tho the link proves little, I will reconsider your position. It seems very odd that Faulk has a personal hate for your QB, I don't see a connection there. But, by your efforts I will try to look for one. I may very well be wrong. I may be blind to it.

Pherein, what thus involves is Faulk's devestation over losing the SB in 2001 to a team that neither, he, his team, or any analyst at the time thought would ever BEAT the greatest show on turf......Marshall has had a chip on his shoulder/hair across his gluteus max since that game. He is known to make jaw dropping asanine comments against Brady and BB that make his cohosts stop and stare. He and Tomlinson were seperated at birth in that they have a sore a##ed inability to let go of the past and move on. It's like an old girlfriend refusing to believe you could do anything right or be good at anything....because you dumped her....Don't have reams of tape to dig up for you on this.....but Faulk overall has a strong bias against BB/Brady/Pats.....are there any commentators that always seem to have it out for the saints?

 

[naF staP]

can not stand him after listening to him this season. I will be sure to boo him loudly at the next celebrity golf tournament.

 

[robbomango]

Faulks "Saints Pats" comparison(any player will work in these systems and still win the Super bowl) is a slap in the face to the players on both teams and flat out silly. When everything is on the line Drew Brees and Tom Brady elevate these teams to new heights pulling off awe inspiring, jaw dropping performances with freakish game winning drives. Put miami's Chad Henne starting QB for the Saints and they might score 2 field goals and toss a pick 6 by the 3rd quarter. There are other play makers to mention but those 2 are the glaring obvious. Some roster changes would kill these teams, anti-analysis at its best. Classic

 

[Fixit]

Fellas, it's become quite clear that even Brady supporters in the media are incapable of effectively painting the picture of how great Brady is.

Give me five minutes on the air with Faulk (or anyone like him) and I would destroy his argument, because when all of the evidence is laid out, Brady's the superior QB in almost every measurable category except for the cumulative ones. And that's only because he's played four less seasons and outdoors in the Northeast.

Just laugh and shrug it off, because Brady does. Then he goes out and lays waste to all of the guys who are better than he is.

 

[RobertWeathers]

With Ivory and Thomas both IR'd, that may be a bit too tough to overcome.