Great Blue North Draft Report Mock, 1/4/11

[patsox23]

Great Blue North Draft Report

They have us taking Allen Bailey, DE out of Miami, and Justin Houston, a linebacker from Georgia.

Thoughts?

 

[Sciz]

I think both are the right position, but are poor scheme fits.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

I thought that Bailey looked like he was counting 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi, 3-Mississippi before he decided to get out of his stand in the bowl game. I couldn't believe how slow he waws getting out of his stance. Maybbe it was because the entire Miami team was disinterested at best in playing, but what does that say about him?

I watch most of the Georgia games and people began touting Houston a few weeks ago, he does not seem to be big enough for OLB in the Pats system. He doesn't consistantly get to the QB in college, I don't see how that translates to a first round pick.

 

[Wilfork#75]

I thought that Bailey looked like he was counting 1-Mississippi, 2-Mississippi, 3-Mississippi before he decided to get out of his stand in the bowl game. I couldn't believe how slow he waws getting out of his stance. Maybbe it was because the entire Miami team was disinterested at best in playing, but what does that say about him?

I watch most of the Georgia games and people began touting Houston a few weeks ago, he does not seem to be big enough for OLB in the Pats system. He doesn't consistantly get to the QB in college, I don't see how that translates to a first round pick.

I completely agree. Bailey has some physical talent but he just isn't a Patriots type player. Chemistry and discipline are a huge part of this team and I just dont see Bailey fitting that.

I really like Houston as a player but he is just too small for the Pats 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a good fit for a team like Atlanta at the end of round 1 as a 4-3 OLB.

 

[Taxed in Maine]

I completely agree. Bailey has some physical talent but he just isn't a Patriots type player. Chemistry and discipline are a huge part of this team and I just dont see Bailey fitting that.

I really like Houston as a player but he is just too small for the Pats 3-4 OLB. I think he would be a good fit for a team like Atlanta at the end of round 1 as a 4-3 OLB.

Completely agree about Bailey. Just don't see him as a fit here.

I am not an expert on the play of Houston, but how is he too small?? Every websight I can find lists him at 6'3-258 or 260.

TBC - 6'2 250
Ninko - 6'2 255
JC - 6'3 260

Vrabel was 6'4 260

 

[DaBruinz]

Completely agree about Bailey. Just don't see him as a fit here.

I am not an expert on the play of Houston, but how is he too small?? Every websight I can find lists him at 6'3-258 or 260.

TBC - 6'2 250
Ninko - 6'2 255
JC - 6'3 260

Vrabel was 6'4 260

They may list him at 6'3, but he's only 6'2 3/8. Ninkovich is still a work in progress and TBC was a flash in the pan... They were also a UDFA and 8th round pick, respectively. Cunningham is a solid 6'3 and an 3/8. And has a large wing span as well..

There is a difference between 6'2 3/8 and 6'4 2/8 (which is where Vrabel was).

 

[IllegalContact]

it thing played out according to their predictions, I would take OLB aldon smith at 17, RB Mikel Leshoure at 32, OT demarcus love at 33 and DT jarvis jenkins at 64

 

[IllegalContact]

They may list him at 6'3, but he's only 6'2 3/8. Ninkovich is still a work in progress and TBC was a flash in the pan... They were also a UDFA and 8th round pick, respectively. Cunningham is a solid 6'3 and an 3/8. And has a large wing span as well..

There is a difference between 6'2 3/8 and 6'4 2/8 (which is where Vrabel was).

where did you get your information about houston's height?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Completely agree about Bailey. Just don't see him as a fit here.

I am not an expert on the play of Houston, but how is he too small?? Every websight I can find lists him at 6'3-258 or 260.

TBC - 6'2 250
Ninko - 6'2 255
JC - 6'3 260

Vrabel was 6'4 260

I meant in size not height. He also did not have a single tackle in Georgia's uninspired loss the UCF in the Liberty Bowl. Georgia just switched to the 3-4 this year, he has ten sacks, he did play DE last year, so maybe he is more stoud than I remember.

 

[mgteich]

What a strange characterization of Banta-Cain! Banta-Cain is a solid OLB/DE backup and has been so for several years. Belichick has been forced to use him much more than he should have been used because of Belichick's failure to bring in better OLB's. Banta-Cain is who he is: a solid OLB/DE and special teamer. He is not a pro-bowl quality player, never has been and never will be. He is the opposite of a "flash in the pan". The fact is that Banta-Cain was overrated by those who only looked at his sack totals in 2009.

To put this in perspective, we have three solid backups at OLB/DE: Banta-Cain, Ninkovich and now Moore. We have one solid developing starter in Cunningham. We need one more solid starter. If not, we will still have a solid group.

The BOTTOM LINE is that the OLB's have been performing very well, given their talent level. If Peppers had been brought in we would have been discussing a very fine set of backers. Belichick decided to bring in Cunningham and Spikes, both fine choices (and better cap-wise choices than Peppers).

They may list him at 6'3, but he's only 6'2 3/8. Ninkovich is still a work in progress and TBC was a flash in the pan... They were also a UDFA and 8th round pick, respectively. Cunningham is a solid 6'3 and an 3/8. And has a large wing span as well..

There is a difference between 6'2 3/8 and 6'4 2/8 (which is where Vrabel was).

 

[mgteich]

My thoughts are that Great North is decent at player evaluation and terrible about fitting players to teams or schemes.

Great Blue North Draft Report

They have us taking Allen Bailey, DE out of Miami, and Justin Houston, a linebacker from Georgia.

Thoughts?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

They may list him at 6'3, but he's only 6'2 3/8. Ninkovich is still a work in progress and TBC was a flash in the pan... They were also a UDFA and 8th round pick, respectively. Cunningham is a solid 6'3 and an 3/8. And has a large wing span as well..

Ninkovich was a fifth-round draft pick by the Saints, and apparently was on BB's radar back in 2006.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

My thoughts are that Great North is decent at player evaluation and terrible about fitting players to teams or schemes.

I agree 100%. there top 100 and there best by position is far superior than their mocks.

This mock was the ultimate doomsday for me, Dareus and Kerrigan were off the board when we got to pick.

 

[DaBruinz]

Ninkovich was a fifth-round draft pick by the Saints, and apparently was on BB's radar back in 2006.

Thanks for the correction on Ninkovich..

 

[patchick]

TBC - 6'2 250
Ninko - 6'2 255
JC - 6'3 260

Not sure where these measurements come from, but they're all on the low side. FWIW, official drafttime numbers:

TBC - 6'2.1" 264
Ninko - 6'3.1" 260
JC - 6'3.3" 266

 

[cstjohn17]

Not sure where these measurements come from, but they're all on the low side. FWIW, official drafttime numbers:

TBC - 6'2.1" 264
Ninko - 6'3.1" 260
JC - 6'3.3" 266

In one of my intensive spreadsheet scouting exercises Cunningham caught my attention. Why you ask? Easy, because he was listed at 265, NFL ready and big enough to set the edge. Not 243 or 247 but a real 265.

 

[Sciz]

TBC - 6'2.1" 264
Ninko - 6'3.1" 260
JC - 6'3.3" 266

(Remember that the last digit is eighths of an inch)

 

[NewFeep]

I think both are the right position, but are poor scheme fits.

Totally agree...... DE and OLB are the biggest holes........

 

[patchick]

This mock was the ultimate doomsday for me, Dareus and Kerrigan were off the board when we got to pick.

I'm afraid it would take a massive shakeup for Dareus to fall even close to #17. He's too flexible for a variety of defensive schemes, just about any team would welcome him.

Kerrigan is a little more unpredictable -- I think the post-season rounds could push him significantly up or down. He's a funny sort of prospect because his game seems to be 90% waist-up: incredible use of powerful hands and arms, and great at the mental side of football (both in terms of awareness/reading plays and motor/leadership). But IMO he'll have to prove that his speed and agility aren't liabilities to be a top-20 pick.

 

[mgteich]

While I like Great Blue North's top 100, these are nowhere near as good as Gosselin or The Huddle Report, my two favorite sources. I also like Scout, but I must admit that it because of format, ease of use, and extent of information (rather than Scout's rankings).

Also, for me personally, rankings and predictions regarding of particular players are of little interest until after the combine.

I agree 100%. there top 100 and there best by position is far superior than their mocks.

This mock was the ultimate doomsday for me, Dareus and Kerrigan were off the board when we got to pick.