Is there anyway Bill DOESNT get Coach of The Year?

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

It depends on when this COTY is announced

If it is RIGHT NOW,Its probably Belichick but even more impressive would be if the Bucs make it to the NFCCG and in that regards to MUST give it to Morris...that whole team is so young its like they are all virtually just out of college

 

[Frezo]

I'd like to nominate Michelle Ryan for NFL "Cooch of The Year".

 

[strongside]

For me COTY is a lock. I actually think he should also win the award they give to the executive of the year. I think you look at the moves he has made from the resigning key players, drafting young talent, turning a 3rd rd pick into basiclly a 1st rd,finding some productrive low price FA's/waiver, and of course one of the most shocking trades in NFL history.

Is there really even someone close? Pioli? Dimitroff?

 

[ausbacker]

I'm not fussed if BB wins or doesn't win it. Raheem Morris has impressed the hell out of me with the style of football his Buccaneers are playing.

It makes the Bucs performance all the more sweeter given they selected a franchise QB and didn't need to mortgage their future like the Jets.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

COTY is voted on by the media.

The media hates BB.

They'll make some lame excuse not to give it to him, which is why most of them have zero credibility in my eyes.

 

[Fahrenhype]

He deserves it, but I doubt he will get it. At least Haley is totally out of the equation after yesterday. I imagine some will vote for Raheem Morris but I'd expect a better record against winning teams for a coach to be worthy of that. Mike Smith might be the most logical non-Belechick pick. A lot of people will use the fact that Brady had a stellar season to underrate the job Bill did.

 

[Fencer]

There are two types of Coach of the Year candidates:

1. Guys who had really great seasons.
2. Guys who had good seasons with teams that "should" have been terrible.

Category #2 seems to have a lot of contenders, who therefore might split the vote. Category #1 -- the one BB is in -- has fewer contenders.

So BB would seem to have an edge for that reason.

 

[fnordcircle]

Belichick
M. Smith
Haley
Morris
Spagnuolo

Tough to get pissed no matter which of them wins.

Only reasonable post in this thread.

Smith, Belichick and Morris are my top 3. I'd love to see Belichick get it but I wouldn't be surprised if it went to one of those other two.

 

[Ron Sellers]

It depends on when this COTY is announced

If it is RIGHT NOW,Its probably Belichick but even more impressive would be if the Bucs make it to the NFCCG and in that regards to MUST give it to Morris...that whole team is so young its like they are all virtually just out of college

Tampa Bay was eliminated 24 hours ago so they're not going to the NFCCG.


Even so, Morris still has a very good chance of winning. It depends on if the voters will focus on how that team was considered to be a lock to be one of the worst in the NFL before the season started and how they won seven more games than they did a year ago, or if those voters focus on zero wins against winning teams, lucky wins against bad teams, and a loss at home to the Lions a couple weeks ago that would have put them in the playoffs.

 

[eom]

pats have beaten an assemblage of some of the best teams in the nfl --- what have those other coaches beaten?

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

I think it could very well be Morris, who almost made the playoffs in a very tough division with (I believe) no pro-bowlers, and low-overall payroll.

EDIT: Haley and Lovie will get some nods as well, deserved or not.

Morris deserves credit, I don't doubt that. And I agree with those who say COTY is often given to the coach who takes his team from obscurity into the playoff hunt. That is exactly what Morris did. So maybe Morris does get it using that narrow definition. But the "tough division" comment paints the incorrect picture. Tampa was a HUGE beneficiary of a soft schedule. Their 10 wins were 2 Carolina, Sea, Wash, SF, AZ, Cincy, Cleveland, Wash, and a win against NO where NO was resting starters for the playoffs. Tampa lost every game they played against quality teams. They lost to Balt, Pitt, ATL 2, NO, Det (Det, believe it or not, looks better than any of the teams they beat except NO).
With that said, BB just won 14 games with rookies/young guys starting and/or playing significant time at many positions, "officially" doing the DC job.....and beating most of the best teams out there. The guy is COTY and it ain't even close. But it is a sports media voting function.....these would be some of the same guys who think spygate was conducted using former KGB and Red Army operatives.

 

[Lansdowne]

In COTY, there is this stupid tradition of giving it not to the best coach, but the coach on the team that has exceeded expectations the most.

Even though that is still CLEARLY the New England Patriots, Belichick's prior success and recent winning of the prize will probably knock him out of contention.

It's a silly system.

Agreed. Also, didn't Mike Smith win it in '08? He's not exactly a fresh face if that's what people are suggesting. Raheem Morris fits the mold of "coach who isn't really that good but whose team surprised enough that he'll get the vote anyway". Kind of like Marvin Lewis last year. Even though they were 1-5 vs. teams above .500 this season.

 

[Timbo717]

Morris deserves credit, I don't doubt that. And I agree with those who say COTY is often given to the coach who takes his team from obscurity into the playoff hunt. That is exactly what Morris did. So maybe Morris does get it using that narrow definition. But the "tough division" comment paints the incorrect picture. Tampa was a HUGE beneficiary of a soft schedule. Their 10 wins were 2 Carolina, Sea, Wash, SF, AZ, Cincy, Cleveland, Wash, and a win against NO where NO was resting starters for the playoffs. Tampa lost every game they played against quality teams. They lost to Balt, Pitt, ATL 2, NO, Det (Det, believe it or not, looks better than any of the teams they beat except NO).
With that said, BB just won 14 games with rookies/young guys starting and/or playing significant time at many positions, "officially" doing the DC job.....and beating most of the best teams out there. The guy is COTY and it ain't even close. But it is a sports media voting function.....these would be some of the same guys who think spygate was conducted using former KGB and Red Army operatives.

You make a great point in regards to the "tough division" not being the same as a "tough schedule". I would amend my statement to say I agree with you, although I just don't have the confidence in SOME sports writers to make that distinction.

I agree BB should get it, given the changes in the roster and how the team has just been so good. I just have heard some people campaign for Morris based on his almost making the playoffs with the roster they have and him being a young coach.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Shouldn't be a contest IMO. Of all the candidates, he's faced the toughest schedule. Haley and Morris have not beaten anyone better than 9-7 aside from a Saints team who had nothing to play for (I know Brees was pulled too when the game was still close). And the Patriots are not only the best team right now, they are head and shoulders above whoever #2 is. I'm not sure what those teams injury situations were like either, but we lost 3 great starters in Warren/Neal/Bodden, Mankins for half the season, and solid contributors in Wilhite/Brace/Wright/Kaczur.

Mike Smith is the only one remotely close IMO.

 

[Mogamedogz]

There are two types of Coach of the Year candidates:

1. Guys who had really great seasons.
2. Guys who had good seasons with teams that "should" have been terrible.

Category #2 seems to have a lot of contenders, who therefore might split the vote. Category #1 -- the one BB is in -- has fewer contenders.

So BB would seem to have an edge for that reason.

This is exactly my line of thinking here.

 

[PrairiePat]

Mike Greenberg is going on and on about how BB should be the runaway choice for coach of the year.

Of course, he's qualifying it by noting how lousy the Pats roster is ...

 

[aluminum seats]

Mike Greenberg is going on and on about how BB should be the runaway choice for coach of the year.

Of course, he's qualifying it by noting how lousy the Pats roster is ...

What I took away from that was how Golic picked his top 3, which Belichick wasn't on, and then couldn't even GUESS who Greenberg was picking. When Greenberg said Belichick and it's not even close, Golic seemed a little embarrassed. But that's how he wouldn't win--it's just assumed he's great.

 

[shmessy]

Mike Greenberg is going on and on about how BB should be the runaway choice for coach of the year.

Of course, he's qualifying it by noting how lousy the Pats roster is ...

Makes sense since his preseason prediction for the Pats was 7-9 to 8-8.

 

[jaychamp]

Last time Brady won the MVP BB won coach of the year. Maybe history repeats itself. What he's done this year far out weighs that season

 

[eagle eye]

Belichick
M. Smith
Haley
Morris
Spagnuolo

Tough to get pissed no matter which of them wins. Some have even argued that Tomlin has a case, given the Roethlisberger suspension at the start of the year.

I gotta agree with this although I do think its a 3 horse race between BB, Smith and Haley.