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As for the reason, clash with the former OC turned HC seems to be the underlying issue. Charlie wants autonomy over the offense and Haley the hothead apparently can't keep his distance and while learning to be a HC. Haley is one of those run before you walk guys, while Charlie knows that is a path strewn with potentially costly pitfalls. I was reading over on Chief's Planet that apparently Cassel actually got yanked from a recent game for a series. Was seen jawing with Haley on the sidelines. Haley's explanation later was that they had some strategic planning to straighten out. Can't imagine it was the OC up in the booth who yanked the QB. He doesn't generally have that kind of leeway on any team. Also seemed Haley was often seen jawing with someone on the headset. That's a HC stepping in... Seemed to have some conflict earlier in the season with Haley as is his habit trying to push the envelope and go for it in questionable circumstances that nearly cost them some games. He's impatient, which is the kiss of death in this system on either side of the ball. It's all about not making costly mistakes and keeping yourself in the game this early in the building process... Or at least that was the way it unfolded (into success) here...
As for Florida, that may just be a case of first in and they or someone in Charlie's circle leaked the interest and Pioli's granting of permission to talk (which he would do as would Bill who learned one thing from Tuna that was never stand in someone's way if they are unhappy or unfulfilled in your situation). Charlie shouldn't have to go to college to get autonomy as an OC given all the demand that the plethora of HC partings will lead to this season. You would think recruiting would be an issue for him as he apparently needs knee surgery as soon as the season is over, but perhaps Florida's new HC wants him bad enough that he was willing to overlook that. And it could be Charlie doesn't want to wait and see if a pro HC/GM is willing to make similar health concessions or if the coordinator market will lag because of the uncertain CBA and a potential work stoppage.
Wow, if this is true, is Haley stupid or what? They were a mess last year before Charlie Weis got there.
When a team wins their division for the first time in years, the HC usually gets an extension, not "fixed".If so, Pioli needs to go to the owner and 'fix' the HC position
When a team wins their division for the first time in years, the HC usually gets an extension, not "fixed".
Much more effective for Pioli to work with Haley to solve the problems. A new OC would be a good opportunity to start over too.
Your perspective on Haley as a HC differs from mine. I fail to see the value add. That said, admittedly good HCs aren't in great supply.
It's actually irrelevant whether he's a good coach or not. It's almost unheard of for a coach making the playoffs after a drought to get fired. It's far more common for them to get an extension instead. (e.g. Rex Ryan last year)Your perspective on Haley as a HC differs from mine. I fail to see the value add. That said, admittedly good HCs aren't in great supply.
It's actually irrelevant whether he's a good coach or not. It's almost unheard of for a coach making the playoffs after a drought to get fired. It's far more common for them to get an extension instead. (e.g. Rex Ryan last year)
It has more to do with the ownership making the fans happy and hopeful for the future than whether the coach is any good.
It's actually irrelevant whether he's a good coach or not. It's almost unheard of for a coach making the playoffs after a drought to get fired. It's far more common for them to get an extension instead. (e.g. Rex Ryan last year)
It has more to do with the ownership making the fans happy and hopeful for the future than whether the coach is any good.
When a team wins their division for the first time in years, the HC usually gets an extension, not "fixed".
Much more effective for Pioli to work with Haley to solve the problems. A new OC would be a good opportunity to start over too.
That was effectively what I said in my earlier message, though I assumed Weis is as good as gone and Pioli needs Haley to work better with a new OC.What Pioli should be demanding (behind the scenes) is that Haley work it out with Weis.
...and that's what makes this situation unusual. It seems that a lot of the fans in KC attributed this season's success to Charlie & RAC, and are now heading into their first playoff game in years fuming at their head coach.
I still never understood why the Chiefs sign a bunch of ex-Patriots after Pioli joined. Was it Haley's team or not?
I've seen that too; I guess the assumption is that any available former Pats coach will join the staff. But if Haley and Weiss supposedly can't get along, what's going to happen between Haley and McDaniels? Remember earlier this year when the Broncos blew out the Chiefs? McDaniels went to midfield to shake Haley's hand and with the cameras rolling Haley stuck his finger in McDaniels face, apparently lecturing and scolding him about something.I'm with you. I don't think Haley is a good HC, I think he got great coordinators this year. They should oust him and promote RAC or Charlie.
I looked at some Chiefs messageboards and most of them are wanting McDaniels and thinking that'll be an upgrade. Very odd times in KC all of a sudden.
Weis and Haley are both hotheads. A failure to get along shouldn't be surprising, especially with the power structure reversed in comparison to what it was when they last worked together.