DAquan bowers or nick fairley is who we should draft in the first round..

[bbell31]

look em up on youtube and compare to our scheme, very obvious pix...id easily take bowers ova robert quinn too, we just cant let him get much bigger and i think the strength staff can work that, he's almost perfect for belichicks scheme, can be great in all phases, very versatile, bowers is...i think we pick him or fairley in the first round, just watch...as i also predicted bfor the season that the saints and pats would be in the superbowl and its lukn that way, yep i def think i am a better analysts than the espn and mass media..:singing:

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Bowers dissappears sometimes and against lesser competition. Anyone who is a beast in the SEC (like Fairley has been) AND has the nasty streak that Fairley possesses has to be taken before Bowers.

Auburn was losing badly to Alabama, Alabama was up something like 21-0 and inside the twenty driving for a late 1st half touchdown, Fairley busted into the backfield strip sacked McElroy and recovered the fumble. He single handedly turned that game around, that is the kinda playmaker "You want on that line, You NEED on that line!"

 

[SanAngeloState]

Bowers was a disappointment before his contract year. Fatter too, I could see him baloon up. More players gain weight than lose as they mature.

Fairley I could see. Not sure how mature or coachable he is. Took a bunch of cheap shots at QBs over the season...in the georgia game. Not sure he'd want to be a 3-4 two gaap guy and just take on blockers. He's more of a penetrator, isn't he? Athletic guy though.

 

[CTHuskies]

Neither will make it to #15

It would cost #15 + #32 + 4th rounder to get to #5 - way too expensive for my taste.

We would be very lucky to get Cameron Jordan at #15

 

[patchick]

Bowers is almost universally projected as a top-5 pick; those who still hold out hope for Clausen in Carolina even project him as #1 overall. Lots will change before April, but my guess is that he's totally out of range.

Fairley is less predictable -- he could easily go top-5 as well, but he might be available with a modest trade up from the Oakland pick. I'm a fan; he strikes me as a force who would have to be accounted for at all times. On the other hand, he's less ready than a guy like Dareus, and seems frighteningly undisciplined at times. That's a case where the team would have to do due diligence in ways that fans will never be privy to.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Also, I've heard interviews with Bowers where he seems barely intelligible. Doesn't seem very sharp, which is often a bad thing.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Also, I've heard interviews with Bowers where he seems barely intelligible. Doesn't seem very sharp, which is often a bad thing.

Now you're just making things up. He's extremely articulate and intelligent. He's also very young, and is just starting to round into form. He's a good player, and should really excel in the NFL.

Either players would be great here, but it's not going to happen. They're top five, maybe top ten guys. I'd rather drop back and pick up a defensive lineman like Muhammad Wilkerson (much better value, and possibly a better scheme fit), and either Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. That way we get both an DE/OLB and a DT/DE.

Let other teams pay a premium for super stars. We'll keep building a team.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Now you're just making things up. He's extremely articulate and intelligent. He's also very young, and is just starting to round into form. He's a good player, and should really excel in the NFL.

Either players would be great here, but it's not going to happen. They're top five, maybe top ten guys. I'd rather drop back and pick up a defensive lineman like Muhammad Wilkerson (much better value, and possibly a better scheme fit), and either Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. That way we get both an DE/OLB and a DT/DE.

Let other teams pay a premium for super stars. We'll keep building a team.

No, I'm not making things up. I'll look for the youtube videos later and post them. He's barely intelligible.

Then I'll criticize you for just making things up.

 

[patchick]

I'd rather drop back and pick up a defensive lineman like Muhammad Wilkerson (much better value, and possibly a better scheme fit)

I know old friend mayoclinic is high on Wilkerson, too -- I've frankly seen next to nothing of Temple, and since he's a junior we won't get an up-close-and-personal Senior Bowl look. I'm certainly intrigued from what I've read, though, and the more high-level DE prospects the better. I'd love to be able to hang out at the Oakland pick, ready to pounce on an intriguing "luxury" pick, with relative confidence that a DE could be had later.

 

[MaineMan]

Now you're just making things up. He's extremely articulate and intelligent. He's also very young, and is just starting to round into form. He's a good player, and should really excel in the NFL.

Either players would be great here, but it's not going to happen. They're top five, maybe top ten guys. I'd rather drop back and pick up a defensive lineman like Muhammad Wilkerson (much better value, and possibly a better scheme fit), and either Aldon Smith or Justin Houston. That way we get both an DE/OLB and a DT/DE.

Let other teams pay a premium for super stars. We'll keep building a team.

Good call on Wilkerson. I just recently picked up on him. Good height, weight. Been consistently making solid plays for a couple years. I like that he's managed to break up a few passes every year - I think that shows good awareness in a lineman (one of the things I like about Watt, too).

 

[MaineMan]

Couple things.

There's no guarantee that Bowers, Fairley or Dareus declare until they actually have, so I'm not getting my hopes up or including them in my mock yet.

BB hasn't drafted many three-year players in the first or even the second round. Maybe it's a ridiculous consideration, but still. Anyway, as far as I can tell, 3-yr players BB has drafted in the first 64 since 2001 include only (out of 20 picks):

Wilfork, 1st, #21, 2004
Marquise Hill, 2nd, #63, 2004

Maroney, 1st, #21, 2006
Jackson, 2nd, #36, 2006

Mayo, 1st, #10, 2008

Gronkowski, 2nd, #42, 2010

Not saying that BB has anything arbitrary against 3-yr players, just that it might be more difficult for a guy who's only played three years to have shown him enough of what he wants to see.

PS - All of the above applies to my binkie, JJ Watt, as well, sooo . . . .

 

[SanAngeloState]

As to him sounding intelligent...maybe it's the accent and I have a regional bias, I don't know.

YouTube - Daquan Bowers speaks

 

[VJCPatriot]

As to him sounding intelligent...maybe it's the accent and I have a regional bias, I don't know.

YouTube - Daquan Bowers speaks

I think you're just seeing things.

Anyways back to the topic. These pre-combine, pre all-star bowl rankings are meaningless. Players can easily shift up and down 10 spots or more or even drop out of the 1st round post-combine and workouts. That will affect the stock of these players a TON.

So to assert that a player is 'out of reach' before those even occur makes no sense. Let's wait till the final games are played, measurements made, and numbers are in before we declare so and so untouchable or out of reach. Remember that Vince Wilfork was considered out of reach before the draft and he dropped to us at #21. Recall that Stephen Jackson was probably considered the top RB before the draft and he was taken what #24 overall after people started doubting. The reverse can happen as well. Mayo was considered an early second/late first then shot up the draft charts quickly.

I'm not into the 24/7 draft tracking, but I take a closer look at these prospects before the draft begins. The projections then are a lot more accurate. Right now these guys are still that - very vague projections. And don't buy the hype from the draft magazines either, they've got as much misinformation as they do credible scouting reports. And the Pats take on the draft rarely coincides with the so called 'expert reports'.

 

[Off The Grid]

I think you're just seeing things.

Anyways back to the topic. These pre-combine, pre all-star bowl rankings are meaningless. Players can easily shift up and down 10 spots or more or even drop out of the 1st round post-combine and workouts. That will affect the stock of these players a TON.

So to assert that a player is 'out of reach' before those even occur makes no sense. Let's wait till the final games are played, measurements made, and numbers are in before we declare so and so untouchable or out of reach. Remember that Vince Wilfork was considered out of reach before the draft and he dropped to us at #21. Recall that Stephen Jackson was probably considered the top RB before the draft and he was taken what #24 overall after people started doubting. The reverse can happen as well. Mayo was considered an early second/late first then shot up the draft charts quickly.

I'm not into the 24/7 draft tracking, but I take a closer look at these prospects before the draft begins. The projections then are a lot more accurate. Right now these guys are still that - very vague projections. And don't buy the hype from the draft magazines either, they've got as much misinformation as they do credible scouting reports. And the Pats take on the draft rarely coincides with the so called 'expert reports'.

Very strong points, tip to stern.

I would add that it seems to me that a lot of folks project their Binkies higher than the Market likely will. There are about 40 or 50 guys, I would say, for whom you can make a strong "Top 20" Argument...But at the end of the day, the chances of more than, say, 20 of them going Top 20 are...rather slim.

 

[patchick]

These pre-combine, pre all-star bowl rankings are meaningless. Players can easily shift up and down 10 spots or more or even drop out of the 1st round post-combine and workouts. That will affect the stock of these players a TON.

This is unquestionably true. But even with the "unpredictable" moves, certain predictable trends have held in recent years.

Athletic, aggressive pass rushers tend to rise through the evaluation process. (Nobody called Demarcus Ware or Clay Matthews top-20 picks in December.) Cornerbacks tend to rise. Running backs tend to fall -- especially the "bell cow" backs who piled up massive numbers in run-first college attacks but aren't eye-popping athletes.

Wide receiver rankings tend to get scrambled, with the supposed #1 guy from December seldom going first. As a group they tend to fall slightly, with few teams willing to pull the trigger at the very top of the draft.

Offensive tackles tend to rise, with the more athletic "potential" guys rising fastest. (Look for Solder's stock to rise relative to Costanzo, for instance). Centers used to be an afterthought, but the productive first-round picks of Mangold and Pouncey are attracting more attention to the guy who directs the OL. Wisniewski should benefit from that.

Then there are the cross-position factors: supply & demand, versatility for different systems, and of course workout results.

Add it all up and IMO all signs point to DaQuan Bowers staying at the top of the draft, which is why I said I expected him to be out of reach. Time will tell!

 

[SanAngeloState]

I think you're just seeing things.

Anyways back to the topic. These pre-combine, pre all-star bowl rankings are meaningless. Players can easily shift up and down 10 spots or more or even drop out of the 1st round post-combine and workouts. That will affect the stock of these players a TON.

So to assert that a player is 'out of reach' before those even occur makes no sense. Let's wait till the final games are played, measurements made, and numbers are in before we declare so and so untouchable or out of reach. Remember that Vince Wilfork was considered out of reach before the draft and he dropped to us at #21. Recall that Stephen Jackson was probably considered the top RB before the draft and he was taken what #24 overall after people started doubting. The reverse can happen as well. Mayo was considered an early second/late first then shot up the draft charts quickly.

I'm not into the 24/7 draft tracking, but I take a closer look at these prospects before the draft begins. The projections then are a lot more accurate. Right now these guys are still that - very vague projections. And don't buy the hype from the draft magazines either, they've got as much misinformation as they do credible scouting reports. And the Pats take on the draft rarely coincides with the so called 'expert reports'.

My point was on topic. As to the intelligence of a player mentioned in the thread title. I don't think you clicked the link. It wasn't about "seeing" it was about "listening".

You need to be less dismissive of people, it makes you sound like a know it all jackass.

As to your admonishments that these rankings are temporary, wow, no one could have figured that out. Where would we be without your beknighted intelligence to set us straight?

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Just an observation: I find it odd that you chose a video of an interview from when he was coming out of high school as proof that his intelligence is somehow sub par. Expecting any high schooler to be cogent and articulate in all of their interviews is a bit much, I'd say. Look at interviews of him later on in his college career, and you'll discover he sounds like someone with a few years of college under his belt. Imagine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4tkYIb9AWM&feature=related

YouTube - Da'Quan Bowers talks to media before the Auburn game

Also, his teammates say that he has such a good understanding of their schemes that he's able to turn around at the LOS and reposition the safeties and linebackers in the middle of a play (before the snap, obviously). It's supposed to be the other way around, but he knows every player's assignment. That's rare in any defensive end, but particularly rare in a college player. By all accounts, his football savvy and overall maturity really improved in the last year. I don't think he's a "contract year" player at all. The deaths of his father and of his mentor in the last year catapulted him forward in his development as a person, and his play on the football field followed suit.

You need to be less dismissive of people, it makes you sound like a know it all jackass.

Right back at you.

 

[SanAngeloState]

Just an observation: I find it odd that you chose a video of an interview from when he was coming out of high school as proof that his intelligence is somehow sub par. Expecting any high schooler to be cogent and articulate in all of their interviews is a bit much, I'd say. Look at interviews of him later on in his college career, and you'll discover he sounds like someone with a few years of college under his belt. Imagine.

YouTube - Da'Quan Bowers Maryland press conference

YouTube - Da'Quan Bowers talks to media before the Auburn game

Also, his teammates say that he has such a good understanding of their schemes that he's able to turn around at the LOS and reposition the safeties and linebackers in the middle of a play (before the snap, obviously). It's supposed to be the other way around, but he knows every player's assignment. That's rare in any defensive end, but particularly rare in a college player. By all accounts, his football savvy and overall maturity really improved in the last year. I don't think he's a "contract year" player at all. The deaths of his father and of his mentor in the last year catapulted him forward in his development as a person, and his play on the football field followed suit.




Right back at you.

I wasn't dismissive of anybody.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

This is unquestionably true. But even with the "unpredictable" moves, certain predictable trends have held in recent years.

Athletic, aggressive pass rushers tend to rise through the evaluation process. (Nobody called Demarcus Ware (NEM DID!) or Clay Matthews top-20 picks in December.) Cornerbacks tend to rise. Running backs tend to fall -- especially the "bell cow" backs who piled up massive numbers in run-first college attacks but aren't eye-popping athletes.

Wide receiver rankings tend to get scrambled, with the supposed #1 guy from December seldom going first. As a group they tend to fall slightly, with few teams willing to pull the trigger at the very top of the draft.

Offensive tackles tend to rise, with the more athletic "potential" guys rising fastest. (Look for Solder's stock to rise relative to Costanzo, for instance). Centers used to be an afterthought, but the productive first-round picks of Mangold and Pouncey are attracting more attention to the guy who directs the OL. Wisniewski should benefit from that.

Then there are the cross-position factors: supply & demand, versatility for different systems, and of course workout results.

Add it all up and IMO all signs point to DaQuan Bowers staying at the top of the draft, which is why I said I expected him to be out of reach. Time will tell!

Once again, your right....

Look, go back and read our posts from this time last year, and we were all way off. The most interesting thing about this upcoming draft is that, unless they sign a new CBA, it will not be proceeded by a free agency signing period. Usually the Pats will take care of the "musts" they have in free agency so they are not cornered into taking a position out of "need". The only time I can remember the Pats entering a draft with a giant hole was the year the Washington left and they really didn't have a Nose Tackle and miraculously Big Vince fell to #21 and they scooped him up. I think that Bowers, Fairley, and Quinn will all be long gone before the Pats pick.