Official: Patriots have the 33rd Pick (first in 2nd round)

[arubin]

Bengals and Broncos win giving them both 4 wins. Carolina even with a win next week gets to 3 wins.

It is official. Patriots have the 33rd pick in the draft!!!! Now we still need to root for the Raiders to lose!!

This is big because now since round 2 starts the next day, they can take phone calls from all teams to trade for the pick.

 

[patchick]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

 

[arubin]

That is just so siiiiick!! I don't even think I could get away with that in Madden!

 

[patsinthesnow]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

That is absolutely hilarious and unreal.

By comparison, Tennessee got Jared Cook. Carolina got Armanti Edwards. :bricks:

 

[jsull87]

that post should be sent every time someone complains about the pats trading down. turn a 3 into a late 2nd and 5th 2010 and a 2011 2nd... oh yeah number 33

 

[PatsFanStnfrd]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

Just priceless!!

One thing we forget. On the other side of these trades sit people who are NOT stupid. they just have a high discount rate. In other words, on the other side of BB are GMs and coaches who NEED TO WIN NOW. They stake everything on getting that right missing piece. The reason BB can pull this off year in and year out is that he is SECURE in his position and plans for his franchise both for the Short Term and the Medium Term. That is why he can send Seymour to Oakland and wait two years for Oakland's 1st round pick in return. That may have cost the Pats (Seymour's services) last year but they will reap the rewards a year from now.

 

[jeffbiologist]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

And all that trading is all well and good IF #33 turns out to be a player. If he ends up being another 2nd round bust ala Jackson or Johnson we wont be so kind. Yes the last 2 seasons have produced a good number of young players but if you look at the playmakers there are just as many or more off the FA scrap heap....BJGE, Woodhead, Moore, Fletcher, Arrington, Ninkovich, Hoyer and Love. Compare that bunch with Brace, Butler, Crable, McKenzie, OConnell, Tate, Price, and Pryor. I think most would find it difficult to choose between BBs drafted binkies and the street FAs, right??

 

[NewFeep]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

I adore you, Patchick. Excellent synopsis of BB hand in other teams pockets.

Can't wait to see what BB transforms Oakland's #14-#18, #32(hopefully) and #33 into. The month leading up to the draft is one of my favorite times of the year. I love the mocks and discussion here on Patsfans......

 

[Off The Grid]

One thing we forget. On the other side of these trades sit people who are NOT stupid. they just have a high discount rate. In other words, on the other side of BB are GMs and coaches who NEED TO WIN NOW. They stake everything on getting that right missing piece. The reason BB can pull this off year in and year out is that he is SECURE in his position and plans for his franchise both for the Short Term and the Medium Term. That is why he can send Seymour to Oakland and wait two years for Oakland's 1st round pick in return. That may have cost the Pats (Seymour's services) last year but they will reap the rewards a year from now.

Yes, indeed.

And the other parts of the equation ~ allowing Coach Bill The Mad to repeatedly FLEECE the other guys ~ are VISION, UNEARTHLY Patience...and GUTS.

 

[Off The Grid]

Bengals and Broncos win giving them both 4 wins. Carolina even with a win next week gets to 3 wins.

It is official. Patriots have the 33rd pick in the draft!!!! Now we still need to root for the Raiders to lose!!

This is big because now since round 2 starts the next day, they can take phone calls from all teams to trade for the pick.

There seems to be a bit'f an Urban Legend developing, faintly suggesting that we're gonna be able to parlay #33 into a 4th Rounder, a 5th Rounder, a 2012 2nd Rounder, and a year's subscription to Mad Magazine.

Truth is...the Jets paid a very light Premium for the first pick after the over night, in 2009, rolling their 3rd, 4th, and 7th to the Lions for #65, with which they selected Shonn Greene, of course.

Contrasted with such a trade would be the advantage of retaining the pick, having had an entire night to reflect on it, rather'n the usual 15 minutes, or whatever it is.

On principle, I applaud ALL Trade Downs, as I have developed immense confidence in the astonishing scouting pedigree of Coach Bill The Mad Genius, ever since Scott Pioli left town. As such, our Returns are rapidly beginning to OBLITERATE that of our trading partners.

And ~ all kidding aside ~ what I described, above, would actually be a very fair and feasible exchange.

But what I'd REALLY like to see is our Trading Down, then Trading Up, snagging at least 4 picks in the Top 40 or so...and hauling in a few GEMS.

 

[Water Boy]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

Its genius and a mystery why more teams don't use this strategy. This is a text book example to show the crowd that wines and *****es about trading back or not trading up for "blue chippers" in the first round.

 

[DarrylS]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

Shh!!! Do not tell anyone about this...

Have friends who are fans of Minny, Miami and Cleveland who would cry at this strategy... they languish, and we excel.. go Bill!!!!

 

[patsfaninpa]

Have a hunch we're not done dealing this pick. I mentioned a few weeks ago that I think Oakland will trade for it. There might be a couple of other possibilities too. Jake Locker didn't progress his senior year as many hoped. I can see him lasting until 33. Teams like Arizona, SF, Seattle and Minnesota need a young qb. I think 2 of them will take Cam Newton and R. Mallett. The other two might want to move up and get him at the top of the 2nd. Throw Buffalo in there too.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

So, how did the Patriots end up with the #33 pick? Let's follow the bouncing ball!

- In 2009, the Patriots held the #89 overall pick. They traded it to Tennessee for their 2010 2nd rounder, which became the

- 2010 #47 pick. The Patriots traded this to Arizona for

- 2010 #58 & #89. The Patriots traded #58 to Houston for

- #62 and #150, with which they drafted Brandon Spikes and Zoltan Mesko.

- The Patriots traded #89 to Carolina for their 2011 2nd rounder, which became

- #33 this year.

To summarize, patient trading turned #89 in 2009 into Spikes, Mesko and the 2011 #33.

Excellent Summary, what a fleecing! Now imagine what BB is going to do with 30 other teams callng him looking for that #33 pick (I ASSuMing that BB just says "FO" when the Jets call). I smell someone's #1 in 2011 plus a 3rd rounder this year. SO kep the above summary around, because I think there will be more added to this!

 

[A.C Vegas]

I would love to follow the boucing ball on a couple of them from years ago like when they traded down and got Mayo.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

On principle, I applaud ALL Trade Downs, as I have developed immense confidence in the astonishing scouting pedigree of Coach Bill The Mad Genius, ever since Scott Pioli left town. As such, our Returns are rapidly beginning to OBLITERATE that of our trading partners.

While we all know that every draft pick runs through BB who watches tape on every single draft eligible kid out there, I have to wonder how much of these draft hits are tied to BB and how much to Robinson and/or Caserio?

Since Pioli left Robinson's name seems to come up more and more when BB talks about draft preparation.

 

[patchick]

The reason BB can pull this off year in and year out is that he is SECURE in his position and plans for his franchise both for the Short Term and the Medium Term.

Absolutely -- that's why I referred to "patient" trading. Not every GM can be patient, even if he'd like to be. It requires total stability, total buy-in on the part of ownership, and having the coach as GM doesn't hurt, either. (Imagine an unhappy coach on the hot seat, watching as valuable draft choices disappear into the future. Dissension and power struggles are inevitable.)

And all that trading is all well and good IF #33 turns out to be a player. If he ends up being another 2nd round bust ala Jackson or Johnson we wont be so kind. Yes the last 2 seasons have produced a good number of young players but if you look at the playmakers there are just as many or more off the FA scrap heap....BJGE, Woodhead, Moore, Fletcher, Arrington, Ninkovich, Hoyer and Love. Compare that bunch with Brace, Butler, Crable, McKenzie, OConnell, Tate, Price, and Pryor. I think most would find it difficult to choose between BBs drafted binkies and the street FAs, right??

Jeff, is there some kind of argument buried in there for a low 3rd-round pick being worth more than two high 2nds and a 5th?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Excellent point Patchix about BB having the abilty to make this kind of trades because of his job security. Let's face it, unless he starts making passes at Myra, BB is not going anywhere. So he can trade a 3rd round this year for a second rounder next year, he can trade an All Pro for a first round pick in two years. Lets face it, not many coaches have that kinda of job security. John Fox (who BB beat in XXXVIII) is going to be out of a job, Coughlim is hanging on by a thread, Marvin Lewis is gone, ditto for Jeff Fischer, all very good (except Lewis) NFL coaches, and all of them about to be unemployed. Andy Reid is about the only coach on par with BB right now, maybe Tomlin too, but other than that, everyone else HAS TO WIN NOW, and are subject to being fleeced by BB.

 

[Off The Grid]

On principle, I applaud ALL Trade Downs, as I have developed immense confidence in the astonishing scouting pedigree of Coach Bill The Mad Genius, ever since Scott Pioli left town. As such, our Returns are rapidly beginning to OBLITERATE that of our trading partners.

While we all know that every draft pick runs through BB who watches tape on every single draft eligible kid out there, I have to wonder how much of these draft hits are tied to BB and how much to Robinson and/or Caserio?

Since Pioli left Robinson's name seems to come up more and more when BB talks about draft preparation.

That is a VERY good question.