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Who is the more talented and valuable RB in 2010


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no one is calling Woodheads season a fluke... but how can you compare Danny Woodhead, to LaDainian Tomlinson, ( a first ballot hall of famer ) Woodheads career numbers are not as good as LT's 2010 season witch is one of the worst of he's career

Patsfan-1982, If you read my original post, I said to forget about LT's HOF career and focus on who is the more talented/valuable RB in 2010. I don't think it's being disrespectful to LT to compare him to Woodhead in this context, and I do realize that he's had an amazing career.

Pessimistic Pete, Woodhead has been much more than just a 3rd down back and I think he could get plenty more carries and stay healthy.
 
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Pessimistic Pete, Woodhead has been much more than just a 3rd down back and I think he could get plenty more carries and stay healthy.

Danny averages 7 carries a game, LT averages 15.

Woodhead's career high is 11 carries, 4 behind LT's current average.

I love Woodhead, am thrilled we extended him and can't wait to see what he does next. But him and LT have different roles.
 
Woodhead is the ****ing man but you can't compare a starter to a 3rd down back.

Woodhead has rushed 82 times. Exactly half of those were on first down. 35 of the remainder were on 2nd down. Only 6 were on 3rd down.

11 of his receptions were on 1st down, 9 on 2nd down, and 11 on 3rd down.

52/82 of his carries were when we were leading or tied, as were 21/31 of his receptions.

Woodhead is platooned with BJGE by package and by situation. Benny is getting most of his carries out of power packages, Danny out of spread packages. It's situational, not a simple down and distance thing.
 
woody hands down.
 

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I know one wants to hear this... but if tomlinson plays on this team with BB and Brady i think you would have seen his numbers shoot up even furthur... this team makes players better... IMO
 
I know one wants to hear this... but if tomlinson plays on this team with BB and Brady i think you would have seen his numbers shoot up even furthur... this team makes players better... IMO

Lots of people believe this. Look at all the folks who are breathlessly waiting for Fred Taylor to replace BJGE and run for 200 yards a game. Hell, the Jets *cut* Woodhead. He's a 3rd string 3rd down back from a 3rd rate school. LT is a 1st string 1st down 1st ballot HoF back. No contest!
 
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KASMIR i think your right on the money. i would love to see woody get 20 carries in a game and have 200 yds. Then maybe these guys will stop thinking that he can't be an every down back.

Its funny people on this forum talk like this season for woodhead is a fluke and they just can't believe it. i think over the next 5 or 6 years he will be one of the most valuable players on the team. and making people look like idiots who ever thought he wasn't............. enough.

So he's got an imaginary 200 yard game now, good for him. Those are much less taxing on the body than real ones too.
 
So he's got an imaginary 200 yard game now, good for him. Those are much less taxing on the body than real ones too.

Woodhead holds the non-imaginary NCAA record of 19 200+ yard games, and holds the 300+ yard record as well iirc.
 
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Woodhead holds the non-imaginary NCAA record of 19 200+ yard games, and holds the 300+ yard record as well iirc.

So Division II competition is now the same as the NFL? Sure, why not?

Surprising no NFL players have 19 - 200 yard games. But then, Jim Brown, OJ and Corey Dillon were no match for Danny Woodhead!
 
I believe Nate Kmic is still available. We should grab him before someone else does.
 
So Division II competition is now the same as the NFL? Sure, why not?

Surprising no NFL players have 19 - 200 yard games. But then, Jim Brown, OJ and Corey Dillon were no match for Danny Woodhead!

Still impressive nonetheless... I'd like them to hand it to Woody 15 times in a game because I know he'd be able to handle it. With enough carries he could rack up yardage pretty quick and probably have at least a few one hundred yard games in a season. On a side note, Kevin Faulk never had a 100 yard game on the ground in his career. I don't think Woody will ever get tons of carries in a game because BB probably doesn't want to risk injury, plus TB has to throw some.
 
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Still impressive nonetheless... I'd like them to hand it to Woody 15 times in a game because I know he'd be able to handle it. With enough carries he could rack up yardage pretty quick and probably have at least a few one hundred yard games in a season. On a side note, Kevin Faulk never had a 100 yard game on the ground in his career. I don't think Woody will ever get tons of carries in a game because BB probably doesn't want to risk injury, plus TB has to throw some.

You know, it's possible to love the hell out of Woodhead and BJ without comparing them to Hall of Famers.

So anyway, what about Nate Kmic? All time NCAA rushing leader, and still available, I believe.
 
You know, it's possible to love the hell out of Woodhead and BJ without comparing them to Hall of Famers.

So anyway, what about Nate Kmic? All time NCAA rushing leader, and still available, I believe.

What does it matter if I compare Woody to LT? It isn't a comparison of their careers but of their production and skill and 2010. You a Jets fan??;)
 
Tomlinson is a classy, classy guy
 
What does it matter if I compare Woody to LT? It isn't a comparison of their careers but of their production and skill and 2010. You a Jets fan??;)

How did you find out? Is it my accent?
 
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So anyway, what about Nate Kmic? All time NCAA rushing leader, and still available, I believe.

Long jump from Division 3 to the NFL. Kmic unfortunately is Woodhead's size without Woodhead's speed. That said, I'd hope someone would give a look in training camp, you'd think he'd have earned that.

BTW, I would have said exactly the same think about Woodhead coming out of Chadron.
 
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I'm certainly not going to argue with you about which statistics you choose to believe, although disbelieving independent statistics that challenge your predisposed beliefs is a pretty good operational indication of prejudice.

If you think that that's an indication of prejudice, then how about relying on measurements that Woodhead himself has acknowledged are bogus?

Again, I'm not accusing anyone of racial prejudice in this matter, although that certainly may be a direct or indirect factor for some folks.

Or how about underhandedly dropping the race card in spectacular "I'm not accusing anyone of racism, but it certainly seems like racism may be at play here" fashion? For the record, every 'criticism' (if you can even call it that) that I've leveled at Woodhead applies equally to Darren Sproles, so you're going to have to do better than that.

I hope I've adequately addressed the denialism about the Football Outsiders numbers. Remember, I didn't cherry pick FO, and they're an inherently objective site that is not part of some pro-Woodhead conspiracy.

You haven't addressed it. As I pointed out, a Patriots RB has led the league in DVOA among RBs with <100 carries for each of the past 4 years, whether it was Morris, Faulk, or now Woodhead. There's clearly another variable at work here that you're blind to, and it's pretty obvious what it is. FO stats are not turnkey: they do not account for system/scheme, and I know this from the extended conversation that I had with Aaron Schatz on the matter. In case you don't recognize the name, he would be the guy who runs FO, and who invented the statistics that you're citing.

Your argument about salaries is another interesting red herring.

How is it a red herring? Ice Ice Brady said that GMs value guys like Danny Woodhead and Kevin Faulk more than they value guys like Ladainian Tomlinson. I used their actual salaries to prove that he was wrong. Accusing me of anything else is just putting words into my mouth, which frankly is pretty much all that you've done up to this point.

Woodhead was cut by the Jets. He was undrafted. He was unable to get a Division 1 scholarship.

Which is why I compared LT's salary to Faulk's instead. Established player to established player.

He's always proven his detractors wrong. Now, in the NFL, with limited touches, he's a top 5 producer at running back according to the most respected independent statistical system publicly accessible. But you could pick him up off the waiver wire, and sign him for a song.

That's not exactly what FO is saying. Once again, I think you've overestimated your understanding of FO statistics considerably. My understanding of DVOA and DYAR, based on the knowledge that I've gained reading the FO Almanac cover to cover every year, is quite different.

Danny Woodhead has always been underrated, and everything I can see says that's continuing. But I'll bet that at some point soon it'll become undeniable that the little guy really is something special.

Nobody's claimed otherwise.
 
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