BJGE Nears Patriots All Time Record

[RobertWeathers]

I don't think it's because he lacks the talent.

BJGE does not lack the talent to be a 200 carry 1000 yd 10 TD guy. He just lacks the talent to be another Corey Dillon.

I just think the 250+ carry back is now extinct in the NFL. You just wear them down too fast when you give them heavy loads.

I agree with the philosophy in having a RB carry the ball 300 times a year. With that said, there are 13 RBs who have or will go over 250 carries this year. If you do the math, thats only 15.6 carries a game. That is reasonable.

In 2000 there were 19 runners over 250 carries. In 1995 there were 15. In 1990 there were 6. My point is that it goes in cycles.

BJGE will be on a timeshare but he will get the majority of carries for the forseeable future unless we draft a monster who will take over for him.

I doubt the team will proactively draft a monster RB. Trade maybe.

He is a very servicable back and we have Woodhead for 3rd downs.

Yep and the running game is very productive because of their skill.

 

[Patspsycho]

BJGE does not lack the talent to be a 200 carry 1000 yd 10 TD guy. He just lacks the talent to be another Corey Dillon.

Comparing Dillon and BJGE is ridiculous. They have different skill sets.

 

[Patspsycho]

Except that one preseason game where he fumbled on the game winning drive vs the bengals last year . But if preseason ment anything then Bam Childress would be an all-pro wide out.

He was down when the ball was knocked out, it should have been called a dead play.

Also that was on the previous drive, not the last one. KOC tossed it away on the last drive to lose the game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Comparing Dillon and BJGE is ridiculous. They have different skill sets.

Of course. I'm making a point. Tell that to CheeseMonkeys who things BJGE is a multi-ProBowler in the making.

 

[Patspsycho]

Of course. I'm making a point. Tell that to CheeseMonkeys who things BJGE is a multi-ProBowler in the making.

Yes- I am as big a homer as anyone can be when it comes to BJGE but I don't think he'll ever reach pro-bowl caliber. He's just a solid durable back. Just a guy who comes to work, and that is perfect for this team and the philosophy they operate by.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Of course. I'm making a point. Tell that to CheeseMonkeys who things BJGE is a multi-ProBowler in the making.

Why do you think that this team needs another Corey Dillon? We are doing great with the no named BJGE and Woodhead. BJGE has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry and Dillon has 4.3. If given the carries I think BJGE can produce good numbers, maybe 1,300 yards in a season.

Thomas Jones was a pro bowler in 2008 with 290 attempts and 1,312 yards. BJGE is capable of putting up these numbers, in my opinion. Why is it so unrealistic that he gets a couple pro bowls in his career? I'm not even saying that the pro bowl is a good indication of talent but he can do it. You don't have to be Corey Dillon to be great.

EDIT: I admit that I would love to have a Corey Dillon clone on our team but BJGE has been impressive and now isn't the time to go for a RB with really high talent, it just isn't needed at this point.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why do you think that this team needs another Corey Dillon? We are doing great with the no named BJGE and Woodhead. BJGE has a career average of 4.2 yards per carry and Dillon has 4.3. If given the carries I think BJGE can produce good numbers, maybe 1,300 yards in a season.

Thomas Jones was a pro bowler in 2008 with 290 attempts and 1,312 yards. BJGE is capable of putting up these numbers, in my opinion. Why is it so unrealistic that he gets a couple pro bowls in his career? I'm not even saying that the pro bowl is a good indication of talent but he can do it. You don't have to be Corey Dillon to be great.

Let's level-set on our discussion. I dont think this team needs CD to win a SB. My point is that you said BJGE is a potential multi Pro Bowler. I say he doesn't have the talent- like Dillon to be a PBer nor is he in the offense to facilitate the numbers he would need to acquire votes. BB will never give BJGE the rock 300 times because he is not a "special" RB like Dillon and there is more opportunity to make plays in the passing game with TB. In 2004, that was not the case, hence the need for a power-back like CD.

As I have said, BJGE is a fine 200/1000yd + or -/10 TD guy. There is nothing wrong with that. With that said, I'd rather have Corey Dillon.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Let's level-set on our discussion. I dont think this team needs CD to win a SB. My point is that you said BJGE is a potential multi Pro Bowler. I say he doesn't have the talent- like Dillon to be a PBer nor is he in the offense to facilitate the numbers he would need to acquire votes. BB will never give BJGE the rock 300 times because he is not a "special" RB like Dillon and there is more opportunity to make plays in the passing game with TB. In 2004, that was not the case, hence the need for a power-back like CD.

As I have said, BJGE is a fine 200/1000yd + or -/10 TD guy. There is nothing wrong with that. With that said, I'd rather have Corey Dillon.

I respect your opinion and perspective but I'm going to keep believing. Only time will tell. I could be wrong because we have Tom Brady, and with Tom Brady, the offense revolves around him and not around the RBs.

 

[fumbrunner]

It's crazy that he should be anywhere near 1000 yards and the record for most TD's by a Patriot considering he started only 9 games.

I'm glad BB runs this team and not the morons here that had him cut in training camp. Heart and desire goes a long way.

 

[Brettlax3434]

I wouldn't mind us taking Ingram from Alabama if he slips to the late first round or maybe the 33 pick (Carolina's pick). BJGE is a very good player but as Brady gets older I think it will be very helpful to him to have a truly dominant running back in the backfield. Like Terrell Davis was for John Elway.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

I'm glad BB runs this team and not the morons here that had him cut in training camp. Heart and desire goes a long way.

Personally, I never wanted him cut but for the others that did, they never knew him or saw his true heart and work ethic like BB did. If they saw it in him like BB did right in front of him they may have thought different.

 

[crowell33]

Let's level-set on our discussion. I dont think this team needs CD to win a SB. My point is that you said BJGE is a potential multi Pro Bowler. I say he doesn't have the talent- like Dillon to be a PBer nor is he in the offense to facilitate the numbers he would need to acquire votes. BB will never give BJGE the rock 300 times because he is not a "special" RB like Dillon and there is more opportunity to make plays in the passing game with TB. In 2004, that was not the case, hence the need for a power-back like CD.

As I have said, BJGE is a fine 200/1000yd + or -/10 TD guy. There is nothing wrong with that. With that said, I'd rather have Corey Dillon.

Recall Dillon ala Randy Moss, had malcontent issues as well. BJGE has no such issues.

 

[jmt57]

A few random numbers for those that like stats, rankings or trivia.
These are all in regards to the Patriots' franchise history.
Keep in mind BJGE is essentially in his first year of playing on offense.


Rushing Yards: 1213
Rank: 23
With 124 more yards rushing, BJGE can move into the top twenty all time in Pats history in career yards rushing - passing Bob Perryman, Mack Herron and Horace Ivory in this category.

Rushing Touchdowns: 17
Rank: 11
BJGE already has more career rushing touchdowns as a Patriot than Kevin Faulk, Carl Garrett, Larry Garron, Leonard Russell, Craig James, Andy Johnson, Herron, Ivory, and many other familiar names. His next rushing touchdown will put him in the top ten alongside Mosi Tatupu.

Yards Per Carry: 4.2
Rank: 7th with those with at least 100 attempts

Rushing Attempts: 290
Rank: 26
Ten more runs and BJGE becomes the 25th Patriot to run the ball at least 300 times. He needs 63 more carries to get into the top twenty in Patriot history in this category.

Touchdowns Scored: 17
Rank: 33
Three more touchdowns and BJGE becomes the 27th player in Pat history with twenty touchdowns - though Deion Branch (19) will probably reach that milestone first.

Points: 102
Rank: 39
Three more touchdowns moves him up to 31st all time.

 

[eagle eye]

BJGE

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 3.1 ypc
This year 4.3 ypc

Chris Johnson

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 5.3 ypc
This year 4.5 ypc

Common denominator - Alge Crumpler

 

[Fencer]

BJGE

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 3.1 ypc
This year 4.3 ypc

Chris Johnson

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 5.3 ypc
This year 4.5 ypc

Common denominator - Alge Crumpler

If your point is that BJGE is getting outstanding blocking, you're probably right.

OL -- superior blocking on the move, good blocking straight ahead
TE -- superior blocking
WR -- superior blocking as a group, despite being undersized
Formation -- has 2 TEs sometimes when other teams might have 3 WRs

 

[Patspsycho]

BJGE

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 3.1 ypc
This year 4.3 ypc

Chris Johnson

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 5.3 ypc
This year 4.5 ypc

Common denominator - Alge Crumpler

Blocking springs you, but you've still got to finish your runs. 12 TDs tells me he is finishing his runs pretty well.

 

[resdubwhite]

BJGE

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 3.1 ypc
This year 4.3 ypc

Chris Johnson

Starts prior to 2010 avg. 5.3 ypc
This year 4.5 ypc

Common denominator - Alge Crumpler

Lets trade crumpler for a first.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Recall Dillon ala Randy Moss, had malcontent issues as well. BJGE has no such issues.

BJGE is the consummate teammate.

Dillon wasn't playing with a full deck. Same with Moss.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, with 2 games to go, is nearing the modern day New England Patriots touchdown mark. Curtis Martin in 1995 & 1996 set his career highs with 14 Touchdowns ( Martin average 4.0 ypc & 3.6 ypc those seasons while losing 5 fumbles ). Corey Dillon set his career high in touchdowns, his last two seasons, with 12 TD's and 13 TD's. ( Dillion averaged 3.5 ypc, and 4.1 ypc in those seasons while losing 3 fumbles.)

BJGE currently has 12 TD's, with two games left. He is averaging 4.3 ypc, greater than any of the four seasons mentioned above. Further, BJGE has never fumbled in his career.

*knock on wood*

I'll admit, I'm a little superstitious. Would love to see The Lawfirm break the record.

 

[Armen Da Pats Fan]

Sucks that he fell behind pace for 1000 yards last night. I know I'm a stat whore here but I want a 100 yard game from him to get him back on pace.

Buffalo may be that game.

Ben always plays big vs. Buffalo for some reason.