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They reward quarterbacks for throwing difficult passes, and they don't think Brady throws any difficult passes. They have literally called him a system quarterback before. Essentially, they're underrating him because he doesn't throw to guys that are completely covered.

Keep in mind, without an all-22, they basically have to reduce their scouting to a punt, pass, kick competition, the QB's thought process is not a factor in their rankings. Yet they lack the skills (admittedly, it says so on their site's disclaimer) - to judge technique anyway.

Its a weak site.
 
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I don't like that site at all, and it's because of "Patriots hate" or whatever. Their stats are to subjective. QB pressure is a subjective stat. I get that stats don't tell the whole story but they have Kyle Williams as their defensive player of the year. He's a good player, but cmon now, don't give me that crap

Nick Mangolds the best player at his position and it's "not even close". Thats what it says. Now, Mangold is a flat beast. But Alex Mack dominated Vince Wilfork like no-one else, Mangold never got to him like he did. Urgh, i hate this site.


In ONE GAME. Are you really implying that Mack is better Mangold because Mack a great game against Wilfork ONCE? Mack is a great C...One of the best in the NFL, but he's not better than Mangold, especially when your "evidence" is based off ONE GAME.

Brady has faced some great corners that he's beaten, and he's got picked off by some sorry ones in his career. By your train of thought, the ones that were able to pick him off are the better NFL corners. Horrible way of judging talent.

I'm not a supporter of that site, I prefer Outsiders, but please don't say someone is better because they played better against one team ONCE.
 
In ONE GAME. Are you really implying that Mack is better Mangold because Mack a great game against Wilfork ONCE? Mack is a great C...One of the best in the NFL, but he's not better than Mangold, especially when your "evidence" is based off ONE GAME.

I don't think anyone was trying to draw conclusions about anything more than one game besides you. His point was that they used Mangold's performance against Wilfork as a reason to put him in their top 10 offensive players of the year, when the reality was, their breakdown must've been awful b/c rather plainly, Wilfork was having his way with Mangold more often than the other way around.
 
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But that is only because people have been complaining. There metrics are junk. If there metrics don't show Brady as the best QB this year (hell, just put him in the top 10!) than they need to go back and check their math. Pretty simple. That site is junk.

PFF doesn't use metrics - they have one some stat geek turned pretend-scout watch a game and come up with a grade for each player. It's much stupider than metrics, don't give it that much credit.
 
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Brady's purely a system quarterback. Put anybody back there with these weapons and Belichick out-thinking the other team and the Patriots lead the league in every scoring category and never turn the ball over. Maybe PFF is onto something. Did you ever think that maybe Brady is holding the Patriots back? What would happen if the Pats had Rivers, Vick, Manning, Rodgers or Matty Ice - look out below!
 
How about their grade for him against Chicago.

As is almost always the case when you start breaking stuff down, the reality was somewhat different. By the time I finished the game and tallied everything up, Brady had a grade of +1.1 — a touch below average, not terrible, but not spectacular. A second run-through by our Sam Monson verified it: Brady did not, in fact, have a great football game.

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27/40 for 369 yards and 2 TDs in a blizzard against a good defense is now a touch below average game in their world.
 
There are still people who think that site's analysis is worth something?
 
I'm currently having an argument with ProFootballFocus on Twitter about Brady.

Saying he had a +1.1 game vs Chicago which is just above an average QB game.

Why? Because he should have been picked off a few times.

Ridiculous. Rivers should have been picked off at least 4 times last night but it was dropped.

And like Brady, he recovered from the poor throws immediately to score a TD.
 
I'm currently having an argument with ProFootballFocus on Twitter about Brady.

Saying he had a +1.1 game vs Chicago which is just above an average QB game.

Why? Because he should have been picked off a few times.

Ridiculous. Rivers should have been picked off at least 4 times last night but it was dropped.

And like Brady, he recovered from the poor throws immediately to score a TD.

Recovering and making a good throw is the sign of a great QB...But you can't dismiss the fact that Brady should have been picked off 3 times in the Bears Game. He was lucky that the Bears defenders couldnt hang onto the ball. Brady was NOT as sharp as we're used to seeing, but he got away with some mistakes, thank goodness. He was able to make up for it by taking advantage of the mistakes made by the Bears defense.
 
I'm currently having an argument with ProFootballFocus on Twitter about Brady.

Saying he had a +1.1 game vs Chicago which is just above an average QB game.

Why? Because he should have been picked off a few times.

Ridiculous. Rivers should have been picked off at least 4 times last night but it was dropped.

And like Brady, he recovered from the poor throws immediately to score a TD.

Their QB ratings are complete garbage, and they don't seem to care they they correlate with nothing of interest to anyone but themselves. Owslek has pointed out how their system is oblivious to the value of good decision making, which is inane when evaluating QB play. I pointed out to them that their system actually scores QB's higher for making decisions that decrease the likelihood of winning. Utter insanity.

Since they use broadcast tape for their evaluations, their ratings of anything in the passing game except pass protection are nearly useless as they're necessarily incomplete in an unknowable way.

It's only with OL, DL, and LB play against the run that they have enough information to even attempt to fairly score player's performance. They are at least potentially useful there, especially as statistical scoring of those very players is meaningless -- unlike with skill position players.

Even for those "unskilled" positions, their scoring is opaque and arbitrary. I don't think they even know what a sensitivity analysis is, let alone having any notion of a success correlation to measure against. They've never even discussed the arbitrary weightings they use, let alone try to justify them.

They don't even divide what scoring they do per play, so their scores as reported are inherently not even useful for comparative purposes.

They use a subjective scoring system subject to "Russian Judge" problems, and I see no evidence they have made any attempt to even normalize their scorers vs each other.

It's such a shame, really, because the put so much effort into it, and done properly it could be a unique and useful service, especially for league-wide comparisons of players in non-skill positions, who are very poorly served by pure statistical systems like the NFL's official stats or Football Outsiders' system.

So in my book, they get an A for the effort that they claim, but a D- for the execution they demonstrate. Until they put all their work behind a paywall, I would have given them a C- for the (limited) utility they provide, but that's a fail now too.

And I'm one of their biggest supporters here :rolleyes:
 
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Neil Hornsby - the site's founder and the guy who just graded the Pats-Bears game - is literally just a businessman from the UK.

That should tell you all you need to know about the site.
 
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Neil Hornsby - the site's founder and the guy who just graded the Pats-Bears game - is literally just a businessman from the UK.

That should tell you all you need to know about the site.

Hmm... UK Pats fans, is there a Association Football website analogous to Pro Football Focus?
 
Shalise@Globe. The Globe is a paying customer, apparently.

If so this just reenforces the well supported conclusion that the dinosaur media is clueless in how to discriminate and deal with the new media. The NYT and its Boston serf can't die quickly enough for me.
 
Hmm... UK Pats fans, is there a Association Football website analogous to Pro Football Focus?

We have ratings of our players from various sites for the top 4 leagues

I don't like it because a lot of players do things that you can't recognise
 
Neil Hornsby - the site's founder and the guy who just graded the Pats-Bears game - is literally just a businessman from the UK.

That should tell you all you need to know about the site.

I agree other than the UK part means absolutely nothing. We know and watch as much as what Americans do
 
I agree other than the UK part means absolutely nothing. We know and watch as much as what Americans do

Certainly - as fans, it has absolutely no bearing. But to run that site, and charge for it, he should be more than just a fan of the game.

I was merely pointing out the fact that he has no experience in football in his entire life. He's literally a businessman, with a day job, who likes football. Just like everyone else who scouts on that site. They've never played football, never coached it, never scouted it. Just like most of the posters here - save for some of our guests that actually do have experience and knowledge in football. And often, we defer to their analysis, and rightfully so.

Anyone here on this site is capable of the analysis PFF provides (and as I said, a few here are capable of providing much, much, much more), the difference is, we don't get paid for our patch-work analysis, and they do.
 
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