Price: Excellent McCourty article

[chupa]

Leaders in Tackles
1. Jerod Mayo NE 132
2. Stephen Tulloch TEN 110
3. Chad Greenway MIN 108
4. Donte Whitner BUF 104
5. James Anderson CAR 99

http://www.nfl.com/player

Don't see Ray Lewis or anyone from NY on this list.

Because tackles, specially assisted tackles, are the #1 indicator of defensive play.

 

[chupa]

To expand on my previous post. This was McCourty's line from the game on Thanksgiving (from ProFootballFocus)



That seems like a shutdown game to me.

He played an outstanding game. He didn't shut down calvin johnson.

Line him up in man coverage against him all day and see how he does.

 

[Dufflebagz]

Revis didn't "struggle" his rookie year. He was incredibly solid and consistent, he was the teams #1 corner from week 1 even though he missed most of training camp. In his second year he was already the teams best player, he was an under the radar name, but those who watched the team closely knew he was a top 5 CB at that time.

I thought Revis was gonna be a beast coming out of college.

hell, the pats, perhaps more than any other team, have seen young players make immediate impacts only to fizzle off/reach their peak early. Mayo and Merriweather are perfect examples of this.

 

[karguy85]

McCourty shutdown his side of the field, what do you want from him? Shutdown game doesn't necessarily mean he has to shutdown one player. If he shuts down whoever he is covering, that counts as a shutdown game in my opinion.

(and Calvin Johnson didn't do anything against him)

 

[karguy85]

He played an outstanding game. He didn't shut down calvin johnson.

Line him up in man coverage against him all day and see how he does.

Let's play with more hypotheticals that are pointless because its against the Patriots scheme.

McCourty shut down whoever he was covering. Its that simple. That makes it a shutdown game.

 

[chupa]

McCourty shutdown his side of the field, what do you want from him? Shutdown game doesn't necessarily mean he has to shutdown one player. If he shuts down whoever he is covering, that counts as a shutdown game in my opinion.

(and Calvin Johnson didn't do anything against him)

The quote was, McCourty "shut down megatron". NO HE didn't.

And playing zone with double coverage is different than playing man, whether you only cover one side of the field or not.

 

[chupa]

Let's play with more hypotheticals that are pointless because its against the Patriots scheme.

McCourty shut down whoever he was covering. Its that simple. That makes it a shutdown game.

I responded to the comment, and I quote "he shut down megatron"

 

[jmt57]

Come on man. McCourty didn't shut down megatron. Jonhnson had 4 catches for 81 yards and a TD. The patriots were double teaming the guy on nearly every play. And this was against a decimated lions team playing their backup QB.

Your lack of knowledge is embarrassing. Quit while your ahead ... or should I say behind.

Did it ever occur to you that McCourty did not cover Johnson every play?

Obviously not.

Did it ever occur to you that the Patriots line players up on specific sides of the field, rather than matching this player up against that other player?

Obviously not.

Did you even watch that game, or if you did, pay any attention?

Obviously not.


Is there a reason for stating opinions as facts on matters of which you have no knowledge?


You claim that you saw the Pats double teamed CJ every play ... yet you didn't notice the Lions move Johnson to the other side of the field so he was going against Arrington rather than McCourty.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[karguy85]

I responded to the comment, and I quote "he shut down megatron"

Listen, he shut him down when he was covering him. That amounts to him being shut down by McCourty. Kyle Arrington and Darius Butler did not shut down megatron, I'll give you that.

 

[chupa]

Listen, he shut him down when he was covering him. That amounts to him being shut down by McCourty. Kyle Arrington and Darius Butler did not shut down megatron, I'll give you that.

No it doesn't. You are being nonsensical.

McCourty played a great game, he didn't shut down johnson. He did well against johnson the very few times he was lined up against him, in zone coverage with a double team, yes.

Again, you don't see Jet fans saying Revis shut down greg jennings, although revis only allowed 1 reception the whole game. Because Revis was not lined up against him for most of the game. Revis did however, have a great game.

 

[Rob0729]

Come on man. McCourty didn't shut down megatron. Jonhnson had 4 catches for 81 yards and a TD. The patriots were double teaming the guy on nearly every play. And this was against a decimated lions team playing their backup QB.

Revis lined up 1 on 1 vs CJ on EVERY PLAY and held him for 1 catch for 13 yards, with stafford throwing him the ball.

You cannot compare the two performances.

McCourty is doing an excellent job within his scheme, but calling him a "shut down" corner is absolutely laughable.

Ignorance is blitz. Megatron caught exactly one catch against McCourty. Shaun Hill passed on McCourty seven times on Thursday, completing 2 for 13 yards, and getting intercepted twice. That is shutdown.

Revis hasn't been lining up on the primary WR on every play until recently. I don't think he was on Megatron every play.

 

[*ChungFu*]

Because tackles, specially assisted tackles, are the #1 indicator of defensive play.

Well, almost #1. Slightly behind dancing, screaming, interviewing and media hype.
Where does team captain and calling defensive sets place him?
Now add that he is playing beside and behind a rookie on most plays.

As far as McCourty now vs. Revis then and now:
McCourty doesn't have teams throwing away from him....yet.
McCourty is on the field for every defensive snap and special team.
McCourty doesn't have 40 some odd games under his belt and no, he isn't better than Revis...may never be. But, he is someone you willl have to account for just as much as we account for Revis in terms of gameplanning.
Like it or not the Rook is fielding some outstanding play.

 

[WelshPat]

Funny how Revis and McCourty both did good jobs on Calvin Johnson but were both beat by the Browns backup Tight End, Evan Moore.

 

[chupa]

Ignorance is blitz. Megatron caught exactly one catch against McCourty. Shaun Hill passed on McCourty seven times on Thursday, completing 2 for 13 yards, and getting intercepted twice. That is shutdown.

Revis hasn't been lining up on the primary WR on every play until recently. I don't think he was on Megatron every play.

Revis lined up against calvin johnson in man coverage on every single play. he held him to 1 catch for 13 yards.

McCourty had a great game, but he didn't shut down calvin johnson. He wasn't asked too. He was asked to cover one side of the field in zone coverage. Johnson was double teamed all day.

 

[drew4008]

Come on man. McCourty didn't shut down megatron. Jonhnson had 4 catches for 81 yards and a TD.

If you're going to try to debate something, at least have the facts right. Kyle Arrington was on CJ 1-on-1 on the TD. And McCourty's one pick was clearly 1-on-1 versus CJ.

 

[chupa]

Well, almost #1. Slightly behind dancing, screaming, interviewing and media hype.
Where does team captain and calling defensive sets place him?
Now add that he is playing beside and behind a rookie on most plays.

As far as McCourty now vs. Revis then and now:
McCourty doesn't have teams throwing away from him....yet.
McCourty is on the field for every defensive snap and special team.
McCourty doesn't have 40 some odd games under his belt and no, he isn't better than Revis...may never be. But, he is someone you willl have to account for just as much as we account for Revis in terms of gameplanning.
Like it or not the Rook is fielding some outstanding play.

Revis was thrown to more than any cb in the leauge last year.

 

[karguy85]

Revis lined up against calvin johnson in man coverage on every single play. he held him to 1 catch for 13 yards.

McCourty had a great game, but he didn't shut down calvin johnson. He wasn't asked too. He was asked to cover one side of the field in zone coverage. Johnson was double teamed all day.

I don't understand what you're trying to prove. Nobody here is bashing Revis. I, along with many other posters in this thread, have repeatedly said Revis is the consensus best CB in the league. What Calvin Johnson did on the other side of the field is irrelevant to McCourty's play. He can only do what he is asked to do and he did that with flying colors. Shutting down whatever receiver he was on for 2 catches and 13 yards overall (including 2 pick). You can't ask more from the rook. I just don't understand your point. Nobody is picking on Revis, we just love our young CB

 

[Rob0729]

I never claimed other wise. You can say that McCourty had an excellent game, but he didn't "shut down" megatron. Just like Revis didn't "shut down" jennings even though he only allowed 1 catch all game because he wasn't lined up against him exclusivley.

McCourty plays in a conservative zone scheme that doesn't leave their DBs exposed. He's done very well in his role, but he hasn't been a shut down corner. Seriously, please.

You do realize that zone can be more difficult than man-to-man. It is far more celebral. It is more difficult to learn. Zones can change based on the offensive formation. Players need to be aware as receivers enter and exit their zone meaning they need to be well aware of their responsibility at all times because it can change multiple times during a play. Man-to-man is more physical, but from a mental standpoint is far easier since you just stay with your man.

He shutdown Megatron when he covered him which is a lot. McCourty is the LCB and the LCB takes on the primary WR a majority of the time whether they play zone or man. Just because McCourty was only thrown on 3 times with Megatron, doesn't mean that he didn't shut him down most of the game because we don't know how many times he was Hill's first or second read and checked off of him because McCourty had him covered.

Yes, McCourty was a shutdown CB on Thursday. Yes, he did shutdown Megatron when he covered him. Percentage-wise, he probably only covered him 10-20% less than Revis did in terms of the total Lions' offense.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Revis lined up against calvin johnson in man coverage on every single play. he held him to 1 catch for 13 yards.

McCourty had a great game, but he didn't shut down calvin johnson. He wasn't asked too. He was asked to cover one side of the field in zone coverage. Johnson was double teamed all day.

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[jmt57]

McCourty played a great game, he didn't shut down johnson. He did well against johnson the very few times he was lined up against him, in zone coverage with a double team, yes.

A minute ago you were talking about what Johnson did over the course of the entire game against McCourty. Now all of a sudden you're flip flopping and saying the two were lined up opposite each other just a "very few times"?

You may not realize it, but every time you comment you just keep showing more and more how much you don't know what you're talking about.


By the way, nobody here is saying Revis is not good. In fact I would say the forum is about 99.9% in agreement that he is the best CB in the league. No need to defend his honor and try to convince us of something we are laready aware of.