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From a Steelers fan, one of the dumbest ******* things I've ever read...

2010 Pats offense is NOTHING at all like the Saints offense last year. Brees spread the ball around WHILE spreading the ball all over the field. Brady literally dumps it off 3 yards on almost every single throw. Brees is in a great system, but HE makes that system great as well. Brady literally looks good just because of the system of SAFE throw after safe throw.

They aren't long balling it or doing anything impressive, just making CBs cover deep faux routes, and then doing to quick dump. Granted, it's smart football and getting results, but...it's oh so, I dunno...cheap? Nothing like the Saints last year, to be sure.
 
The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

Hey if it works, I'll definitely take it. You don't have to win pretty, you just have to WIN. Bring the Lombardi back to Foxboro where it belongs!

PS The Pats STILL have the #1 scoring offense in the entire NFL.
#1 Pats 30.4
#2 Eagles 28.4
#3 Chargers 27.4
#4 Colts 26.8
#5 Saints 24.1

Pats are averaging over 6 ppg MORE than the #5 offense in the NFL. Wow.
 
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The 2009 Saints are what I said our defense could be when looking at their ceiling. I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're certainly on our way. They need to improve a lot over today, for starters.

I dunno. I think this team has more potential than the 09 Saints. And it's not completely unprecedented for a BB-led defense to turn on a dime from bad to above average (see: 2005).

The "X factor" of course is youth, though that defense was forced to rely on some marginal talent due to injuries (Michael Stone, Artrell Hawkins).
 
I dunno. I think this team has more potential than the 09 Saints. And it's not completely unprecedented for a BB-led defense to turn on a dime from bad to above average (see: 2005).

The "X factor" of course is youth, though that defense was forced to rely on some marginal talent due to injuries (Michael Stone, Artrell Hawkins).

Ironically the Saints went from being bad statistically and creating turnovers last season to being good statistically without the turnovers this season. Going into last nights game they were 2nd in Run and Pass defense.

Hopefully the Pats can make that jump next year but continue the turnover level. We'll see.

But for the sake of this Year I think the Saints comparison is accurate.

And I think 2005 had some extenuating (sp?) circumstances. Bruschi got back into game shape, Seymour came back from injury, Wilfork truly came into his own and Vrabel started playing well inside. And as you noted Hawkins was a real difference maker. He is still one of my favorite Patriots the man was a tackling machine, now pass coverage...well....
 
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Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!
 
Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!

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Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!

Hahahaha that's probably the best way for a new member to introduce themselves(yes i know im new too).

I see alot of similarities this year between the saints defence of last year and our defence this year, however next year I expect our defence to be much more consistent and far better than the 2009 saints.
 
Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!

You certainly came to the wrong place for perspective when facing adversity. Far to many fans here can't be happy after a win let a lone after a loss. If we don't win 55-0 then we surely suck!

In all seriousness there are some very knowledgable people on here you just have to sift through the garbage to find them, especially after a loss.
 
The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.
 
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LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.

The Patriots are 9-2. Your post reeks of FEAR.
 
The Patriots are 9-2. Your post reeks of FEAR.

Fear of what?

The record has nothing to do with it, comparing the Pats team to last year's Saints team is just inaccurate across the board.

Pats deserve credit for adjusting to life without Moss, but they are still not the offensive threat they would be with him.

They have benefitted from playing against teams that still think they use a vertical passing game.

Pats defense has been awful this year, but still are smart enough and disciplined to be accounted for.
 
LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.

You can't be this numb?

1. The Saints defense was statistically terrible last year. But they did cause a lot of turnovers and scored a bunch of TD's. And when they didn't score they set their offense up with good field position off of the turnovers. Sounds an awful lot like the 2010 Patriots.

2. The Saints offense was good but was not the unstoppable scoring machine that some made it out to be. That defense put up a lot of points and for some reason it was never pointed out by the media when mentioning the "offense's" scoring ability.

3. Yup we can't run against any good teams. I guess the following numbers are terrible:

Baltimore 127 yards on 26 carries a 4.9 yard per carry aversage
Minny 122 yards on 22 carries a 4.5 yards per carry average
Pittsburgh 103 yards on 24 carries a 4.3 average

I can see your point because those three teams are only ranked 9,7 and 1 respectively against the run.

4. Yes, Manning destroyed our defense minus those 3 Int's of course, and we did squeak by with a 3 point win against a 6-3 football team. Its not as if the Jets have won any squeakers. Well not against any winning football teams anyway.....

I wonder if Sanchez will match his 5 Int performance from his last visit to Foxboro?
 
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Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game.

Jets fan who doesn't know how to properly use the world "literally", typical.
 
Perfect thread for my 1st post. I haven't watched any Pats games this year besides the Sunday nighter vs. Pittsburgh and the 2nd half vs. Jets. Oh yeah, also saw game vs. Vikings. Cant really contribute much on the topic of your defense, but I agree the formula seems at least vaguely similar to the 2009 Saints. Really just a flattering comment coming from Patriot fans. Never thought I'd see the day a Patriot fan would hope in any shape or form for their team to be like the Saints. This and the Steelers site are the only team sites(besides the Saints) that I joined. I like to follow success to see how other fan bases deal with adversity and success and maintain perspective. I'd apply that to the Colts, but they really hate us since February. Sorry to take away from the topic babbling about myself, but good luck vs. Jets. I hope you whoop 'em. Rex Ryan is a big mouth, Sanchez is a USC condom(nuff said), Cromartie is a wife beater, Edwards and Holmes are both alcoholics, and LT is a frickin crybaby. I pretty much can't stand any of em. Go get 'em!

Great post.....And welcome to PatsFans.com

I will always remember the surgical dissection Brees put upon us last year as the worst beatdown I've ever seen us take...Nothing to complain about after a beating like that.....Just tip your cap to the Saints....and get out of town!!
 
LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.

You're seriously going to bash the Pats for close wins against the Lions, Colts, and Steelers when the Jest had to go to overtime against the Lions and just barely beat the Texans? You guys needed complete flukes from both teams to win those games, not to mention escaping the mighty Broncos on a bogus PI call. Talk about pathetic homer. Other than the Pats, whom the Jest admittedly beat, who the hell have you faced this year?

The Pack? They shut you out at home.

The Ravens? They embarrassed you on national TV at home.
 
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This team reminds me more of the 1996 squad

-Pass rush was not very good
-Ok vs the run
-28th in passing yards allowed
-Young secondary that made big plays when they had to
-Gave up a bunch of points early in the year

IIRC right around T-Day the D really turned it on. Lets see if that happens again!
 
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It is somewhat interesting to look a both teams. For instance the 2009 Saints offense had way more TO/Fumbles than the 2010 Patriots.

..and the 2009 Saints Defense only seemed to excel in the red zone, TO's, etc..
Hard to calculate the similarity till maybe game 14 I guess.

But here are the Stats for 2010 Patriots and 2009 Saints, munch away
View attachment Patriots2010-Saints2009stats.txt

2010 Patriots
2010 New England Patriots Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com
2009 Saints
2009 New Orleans Saints Statistics & Players - Pro-Football-Reference.com
 
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LOL, you are a pathetic homer.

The Pats defense is at the bottom of the league, the Saints were an aggressive defense that played well for most of the year last year.

Saints defensive ranking 2009: 25th
Patriots defensive ranking 2010: 30th

Saints scoring defense 2009: 20th
Patriots scoring defense 2010: 24th

Saints rushing defense 2009: 21st
Patriots rushing defense 2010: 17th

Saints passing defense 2009: 26th
Patriots passing defense 2010: 31st

Saints interceptions ranking 2009: 3rd
Patriots interceptions ranking 2010: T-2nd

NFL Stats: by Team Category

Deny it if you want. But the similarities are definitely there between the two defenses.

Saints threw the ball all over the field and also had a vertical passing attack in their arsenal.

Actually, the Saints did so well on offense because they had multiple receiving options that Brees could hit on any given play. Our offense is set up the same way.

Pats are hitting stride because of better offensive flow, and opponents tripping over themselves. Pats are not dominant offensively. They are no longer a vertical threat, and they still can't run the ball against good defensive teams.

The Steelers game begs to differ.

Alphonzo Smith literally all by himself gave you the victory in the Lions game. Peyton Manning destroyed the Pat defense and had to throw an INT for the Pats to squeak by in that game. You beat an injury depleted Steeler team and benefitted playing them off of a short week.

Not sure how you can say that Alphonso Smith literally gave us the game all by himself when Brady, literally (see how that word works?) put up a perfect passer rating. Manning threw for a lot of yards, but also threw three interceptions. That last interception was, by no means, one that Manning just "gave" us. It was showed in the postgame that the alignment confused him and Sanders made an athletic play. On top of that, Mark Sanchez, with his 31st ranked completion percentage and his slant routes, is no Peyton Manning. The only big injury that the Steelers had on defense was Kiesel. Aside from him, the rest of their defense played... and got torched. Their week was a whole one day shorter than our's.

I would bring up the Jets overall struggle against the Lions themselves, or the fact that they have yet to beat a team near the caliber of a Colts team or a Steelers team in convincing fashion yet this year, but my guess is that a statement like that would completely fly over your head.

Brady and the offense have made some adjustments on offense, but they are still weak on defense, they are an average rushing team and will struggle against good defenses.

In the last seven games, Brady is 143/190 for 1,500 yards with 13 TD's and 0 INT's. That's not just "making some adjustments". That's playing completely out of your mind. Of course, you watch the immortal Mark Sanchez every week so we wouldn't expect you to be impressed by a mere mortal like Tom Brady when you have the pleasure of watching a living God on the football field playing quarterback for the Jets. The defensive rankings are week, but the young guys are getting better and better every week and are causing timely turnovers to win the game. Can't ask much more than that. Meanwhile, the Jets defense isn't getting any younger and most of your stars on that side of the ball are going to be asking for big time paychecks in the offseason with the Jets having the inability to pay all of them. As for our rushing offense, we're averaging 112.1 YPG, which is a stat that was hurt by our offense being geared toward the pass earlier in the season. However, we showed in the Steelers game that we can, indeed, run on the better defenses in the NFL.
 
LOL, you are a pathetic homer.
And you are the lone voice of objectivity, correct?

Which cliche do you prefer; pot meet kettle?
Take a look in the mirror?
People living in glass houses shouldn't throw stones?

Kontradiction, Nikolai and mgcolby pretty much nailed it in the previous posts, but there are a couple of things I would like to add.

First, in regards to Alphonso Smith and the Lions, even if he somehow defends those two passes the Patriots still win that game. Even if he tackled BJGE the Pats still go on to score a play later.

But what I really want to know is this: how in the world does a Jet fan bring up the Pats versus Lions, a game the Pats won by three touchdowns? Have you already forgotten the chain of fortunate events that had to go the Jets way in order for your team to beat Detroit - in OT - by 18 fewer points?

As for the running game, perhaps you are confusing 2009 with 2010, or fantasy football with real football. The Jets are averaging 4.46 yards per carry, the Pats 4.25; the Pats have 13 rushing touchdowns and the Jets have 9. Football Outsiders ranks the Pats' rushing game and overall offense far ahead of the Jets as well.

The Patriots are averaging 30.4 points per game this year - 30.5 in games since Moss caught his last pass as a Patriot. Last year it was 26.7 ppg and the previous season it was 25.6 ppg; not sure how all that qualifies as not being as good offensively as they used to be.

Lastly, to characterize the Pats victories as being primarily due to opponents giving the game away with mistakes is laughable considering how the Jets have won so many of their games this year.
 
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