The Pats are turning into the 2009 Saints

[Rob0729]

The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

 

[strngplyr]

Too early but I certainly agree with the comparison. I said it a few weeks earlier in some thread here too, we aren't building a Steeler/Raven-esque defense, but more of an 09 saints/packers defense designed to create turnovers for your powerful offense.

 

[Kontradiction]

The 2009 Saints are what I said our defense could be when looking at their ceiling. I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're certainly on our way. They need to improve a lot over today, for starters.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Our team excites me a lot because they should only get better next year the way we are rebuilding and yet, they look great this year. As inconsistent as the D has been, they have some impact players and are slowly maturing.

 

[Rob0729]

The 2009 Saints are what I said our defense could be when looking at their ceiling. I don't think we're quite there yet, but we're certainly on our way. They need to improve a lot over today, for starters.

I still think this defense can be better than the Saints' defense by playoff time. It is improving and has been dominant at times in most game, but hasn't been able to put together four quarters yet. That could happen over the next month though.

 

[Kontradiction]

I still think this defense can be better than the Saints' defense by playoff time. It is improving and has been dominant at times in most game, but hasn't been able to put together four quarters yet. That could happen over the next month though.

Indeed. Next Monday would be a good launching point.

 

[AzPatsFan]

The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

Be prepared to wash your mouth out with soap. Bill Belichick would do that to anyone who said such nonsense. Bill would NEVER, EVER, consent to build a Colts or Rams Defense dedicated to being half a Defense for their powerful offense.

Nor does it resemble one at all. He doesn't have undersized but quick defensive linemen. Nor does he have undersized but speedy LBs either. Bill would find it abhorrent to construct a fundamentally unsound Defense.

 

[Rob0729]

Be prepared to wash your mouth out with soap. Bill Belichick would do that to anyone who said such nonsense. Bill would NEVER, EVER, consent to build a Colts or Rams Defense dedicated to being half a Defense for their powerful offense.

Nor does it resemble one at all. He doesn't have undersized but quick defensive linemen. Nor does he have undersized but speedy LBs either. Bill would find it abhorrent to construct a fundamentally unsound Defense.

I don't think that Belichick wants to build this way, but this season he will take what he has. He is always happy winning the turnover battle. I think he is estatic that the defense is opportunistic and creating turnovers although he isn't happy about other parts of the defense (third downs and the yards he let up).

As for the actual defense, I am not saying the Pats defense looks like the Saints' defense in terms of types of players or schemes/philosophy. I am saying both defenses are defenses that were not statistically very good and gave up a lot of points, but created a lot of turnovers. Other than that, they are different defenses.

 

[coolguy]

I don't think that Belichick wants to build this way, but this season he will take what he has. He is always happy winning the turnover battle. I think he is estatic that the defense is opportunistic and creating turnovers although he isn't happy about other parts of the defense (third downs and the yards he let up).

As for the actual defense, I am not saying the Pats defense looks like the Saints' defense in terms of types of players or schemes/philosophy. I am saying both defenses are defenses that were not statistically very good and gave up a lot of points, but created a lot of turnovers. Other than that, they are different defenses.

Umm, you do know the 2001 patriots defense is the 2 worst to ever win a superbowl?

In the case BILL, stats never tell the true story.

 

[Rob0729]

Umm, you do know the 2001 patriots defense is the 2 worst to ever win a superbowl?

In the case BILL, stats never tell the true story.

Umm, don't know what your point is. I never said that Belichick cared about stats. Belichick is all about results and not stats. Never said otherwise.

 

[coolguy]

Umm, don't know what your point is. I never said that Belichick cared about stats. Belichick is all about results and not stats. Never said otherwise.

I was referring to how the stats say the pats are 30th rank defense, but if you watched them play they look somewhat elite.

 

[Rob0729]

I was referring to how the stats say the pats are 30th rank defense, but if you watched them play they look somewhat elite.

I think the Pats' defense is much better than their stats say, but elite? Even somewhat.

 

[Kontradiction]

I was referring to how the stats say the pats are 30th rank defense, but if you watched them play they look somewhat elite.

You must be smoking a ton of meth to think that this defense looks anywhere near elite.

 

[Patriot Missile]

I was referring to how the stats say the pats are 30th rank defense, but if you watched them play they look somewhat elite.

I honestly don't know what to make of the Pats defense. They are so checkered I don't know what to think one play to the next. They look phenomenal on one series and darn right awful the next. Play the first two downs to perfection and then play 3rd down like they are a high school team.

I'm going to assume it is a mixture of being young and inexperienced to a shade of game planning by the coaching.

 

[coolguy]

You must be smoking a ton of meth to think that this defense looks anywhere near elite.

The pats D looks great for 1 half and bad the other so far.. When they play good they look elite.

Remember the offenses the pats have played. This is one of the toughest qb schedules the pats have ever had with A-rod and jay cutler to go.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

The pats D looks great for 1 half and bad the other so far.. When they play good they look elite.

Remember the offenses the pats have played. This is one of the toughest qb schedules the pats have ever had with A-rod and jay cutler to go.

They looked elite for 3 quarters against the Steelers and 2 quarters against the Bengals. But then there's the other 39 quarters

 

[Kontradiction]

The pats D looks great for 1 half and bad the other so far.. When they play good they look elite.

Remember the offenses the pats have played. This is one of the toughest qb schedules the pats have ever had with A-rod and jay cutler to go.

The only time this year that I can say that the Pats offense looked anywhere approaching elite was though the first three quarters of the Pittsburgh game. They're very hot and cold. I would say that they look good at times and bad at other times. Elite definitely isn't the correct word.

 

[coolguy]

The only time this year that I can say that the Pats offense looked anywhere approaching elite was though the first three quarters of the Pittsburgh game. They're very hot and cold. I would say that they look good at times and bad at other times. Elite definitely isn't the correct word.

LOL let me rephrase that last statement.

This team is looking like a elite BILL defense.

This look like the same kind of pats defense that gave up 324 passing yards to mcnabb and 323 passing yards to jake delhomme.

The pats defense have always been this way.

 

[pherein]

The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

We love the Pats, I think thats pretty apparent. But is your defense like this?
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Your defense is not like the Saints , your offense is. We are very impressed with the Pats offense this year, and very happy you won. We want a shot at you,lol

 

[TriplecHamp]

The Pats seem to be winning the same way the Saints won last year. They are winning with a dominant offense and not a great defense, but a defense that creates a lot of turnovers. It got a Super Bowl for the Saints. In a year with no dominant team, it may be a recipe for one for the Pats too. Don't want to get too excited yet, but the Saints did show last year you can win it all this way.

I was actually thinking the same exact thing.