Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pats D

[Shockt327]

Peyton almost scored 3 late TDs? Must be his usual magic, right?

Well, after getting three score leads against CIN and PIT - that Patriots D allowed both Roethlisberger and Carson Palmer's offenses to score an additional three TDs late in the game.

A 31-3 game against CIN (halfway through the 3rd) ended up being 38 - 24.

A 23-3 game against Pit (in the 4th quarter) ended up being 39 - 26

Also, A 14 -10 game against the Jets (late in the 3rd) ended up being a 28-14 loss

I won't even mention the 30 points that a Ryan Fitzpatrick lead Bills team managed to score against the Pats. Or the CLE game.

Again, the biggest difference between being up 21 (Steelers) or being up 3 (Colts) or losing the game (Jets) is whether the O can keep scoring -- which they always have to -- which is why they are ranked #1 in points (out of bare necessity). The D keeps leaking like a sieve.

Turnovers are nice, but they don't happen often enough to hang your hat on 'em...

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Ladies and gentlemen of the court, I call to the stand the prevent defense.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

This wasn't the same as the Cincinatti/Pittsburgh games. Cincinatti game was over on the 2nd half kickoff. The Pittsburgh game was over on the Sanders TD early in the 4th quarter.

This game was never over until the final seconds, those TD's he scored were far from garbage time, that was him getting his team back into the game and having a legit shot to WIN the game at the end.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Your honor, I call to the stand the NE Offense with one 3 and out and one 4 play drive back to back while the defense forced Indy on 7, 7, and a 9 play drive (for the final interception) to end the game. Anyone miss Mike Wright sitting on the bench to end the game with an injury? Or Myron Pryor inactive? Wilfork and Warren as your interior pass rush is going to wear down fairly quickly.

 

[Kontradiction]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Your honor, I call to the stand the NE Offense with one 3 and out and one 4 play drive back to back while the defense forced Indy on 7, 7, and a 9 play drive (for the final interception) to end the game. Anyone miss Mike Wright sitting on the bench to end the game with an injury? Or Myron Pryor inactive? Wilfork and Warren as your interior pass rush is going to wear down fairly quickly.

Complaining that the offense couldn't execute drives in crunch time doesn't exactly speak highly for your defense. If we have to rely on the offense to keep the defense off of the field because the following happens...

7 plays, 73 yds, 2:26, TD
7 plays, 73 yds, 2:18, TD
9 plays, 50 yds, 1:48, INT

...then that, IMO, speaks volumes about the style of defense that we began to run in the fourth quarter more than the offense. And yes, I missed both Wright and Pryor. But Roethlisberger shredded the prevent defense a week before even WITH Mike Wright in.

 

[apple strudel]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Oh hey, another thread about our defense, 2010's Laurence Maroney.

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

This wasn't the same as the Cincinatti/Pittsburgh games. Cincinatti game was over on the 2nd half kickoff. The Pittsburgh game was over on the Sanders TD early in the 4th quarter.

This game was never over until the final seconds, those TD's he scored were far from garbage time, that was him getting his team back into the game and having a legit shot to WIN the game at the end.

Actually PIT cameback and was in the game right up until the botched onside kick....

It was a 10 point game at that time.

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Oh hey, another thread about our defense, 2010's Laurence Maroney.

Nothing sucks as bad as Laurence Maroney....

 

[SoonerPatriot]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Oh hey, another thread about our defense, 2010's Laurence Maroney.

Nail meet head. Agreed. Tiring. Very tiring, especially after a big win. Or did we win?:bricks:

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Actually PIT cameback and was in the game right up until the botched onside kick....

It was a 10 point game at that time.

Eh, I'd have to disagree there. The fact that needed to try an onsides tells you the game wasn't as close. Indy was able to kick to to us twice and on the last drive we even picked up a first down. Different situations IMO, especially considering Peyton did it to us last year too. Gotta give him some credit for that.

 

[Ron Sellers]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

The context of those games needs to be looked at as much, if not more than the stats. In the Cincinnati and Pittsburgh games, the outcome was pretty much already determined when a large portion of the yardage and points were allowed.

And if you're going to look at stats such as yardage then you have to look at a much more important stat: turnovers. I'm willing to bet there's a better correlation to winning and a positive turnover differential than there is to winning and a positive yardage differential.

News flash, that Peyton Manning guy is pretty good - despite his three picks Sunday. As much as we may hate to admit it, he does deserve some credit.


It is starting to feel like Groundhog Day with these weekly (daily?) "Pats defense stinks" threads.

 

[Shockt327]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Eh, I'd have to disagree there. The fact that needed to try an onsides tells you the game wasn't as close. Indy was able to kick to to us twice and on the last drive we even picked up a first down. Different situations IMO, especially considering Peyton did it to us last year too. Gotta give him some credit for that.

Again, the biggest difference between being up 21 (Steelers) or being up 3 (Colts) is whether the O can keep scoring .....

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Three Colts drives ended in an int. I say the defense did its job.

 

[Metaphors]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Sigh.

The defense is young. They can throw out a realistic lineup where Meriweather (26 yo) is the grizzled vet. You think they may have a hard time closing out games against Carson Palmer (#1 overall pick), Joe Flacco (1st round pick), Phillip Rivers (1st round pick), Ben Roethlisberger (1st round pick, 2 titles), and Peyton Manning (#1 overall pick, 1 title)? How about giving them a little credit for holding those QBs to 17, 17, 3, 3 and 14 points after 3 quarters. Oh yeah...and the Pats won all 5 games.

The defense obviously has some improving to do. These experiences are helping a lot of these guys grow up right before our eyes. Given reasonable health, the defense could see significant improvement by the time the playoffs start. If that does happen, the rest of the AFC better hope that the road to the SB doesn't go through Foxboro.

Now remember that the only players of consequence not under contract for 2011 are Light and Mankins...and the likelihood of 4+ impact players being added in 5 months...and the return of Bodden and Warren...well, I'm just enjoying the ride. Even if it gets a little bumpy from time to time.

 

[RayClay]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Peyton almost scored 3 late TDs? Must be his usual magic, right?

Well, after getting three score leads against CIN and PIT - that Patriots D allowed both Roethlisberger and Carson Palmer's offenses to score an additional three TDs late in the game.

A 31-3 game against CIN (halfway through the 3rd) ended up being 38 - 24.

A 23-3 game against Pit (in the 4th quarter) ended up being 39 - 26

Also, A 14 -10 game against the Jets (late in the 3rd) ended up being a 28-14 loss

I won't even mention the 30 points that a Ryan Fitzpatrick lead Bills team managed to score against the Pats. Or the CLE game.

Again, the biggest difference between being up 21 (Steelers) or being up 3 (Colts) or losing the game (Jets) is whether the O can keep scoring -- which they always have to -- which is why they are ranked #1 in points (out of bare necessity). The D keeps leaking like a sieve.

Turnovers are nice, but they don't happen often enough to hang your hat on 'em...

Why would he want credit for a loss?

Turnovers happened three more times to them than us, which is a good thing.

A 23-3 game against Pit (in the 4th quarter) ended up being 39 - 26

Is this some sort of secret code? What does it even mean? Do we have to fill out a Bingo card and win the game? Please, give me a clue.

We had a comfortable lead...OK

We won the game by a comfortable margin. What were we supposed to do?

 

[VectorPrime]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Lets make this clear since you are apprentlly too dumb to realize it.

Peyton Manning is good. Not just good but one of the best of all time. He WILL score on you NO MATTER WHAT. Did you know in the 03 game we were up 31-10 at one point? The game that was decided by a final goal line stand?

Look it was the offense who left the defense out to dry, the defense played great all things considered.

 

[supafly]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Sigh.

The defense is young. They can throw out a realistic lineup where Meriweather (26 yo) is the grizzled vet. You think they may have a hard time closing out games against Carson Palmer (#1 overall pick), Joe Flacco (1st round pick), Phillip Rivers (1st round pick), Ben Roethlisberger (1st round pick, 2 titles), and Peyton Manning (#1 overall pick, 1 title)? How about giving them a little credit for holding those QBs to 17, 17, 3, 3 and 14 points after 3 quarters. Oh yeah...and the Pats won all 5 games.

The defense obviously has some improving to do. These experiences are helping a lot of these guys grow up right before our eyes. Given reasonable health, the defense could see significant improvement by the time the playoffs start. If that does happen, the rest of the AFC better hope that the road to the SB doesn't go through Foxboro.

Now remember that the only players of consequence not under contract for 2011 are Light and Mankins...and the likelihood of 4+ impact players being added in 5 months...and the return of Bodden and Warren...well, I'm just enjoying the ride. Even if it gets a little bumpy from time to time.

Love this post. Great points, well written.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

The Patriots went ahead 17 points with 10:23 left.
A strategy that says if the Colts have 2 TD drvies and the Patriots have 2 drives that take up the rest of the 10:23 it is a total, complete success.

The Colts next 2 drives took a combined 4:44.
The Patriots 2 drives took a combined 3:14 which gave the Colts the ball back at their own 26 with 2:54 left.
The first drive of the 2 took 53 seconds.
Every Patriot drive prior to that resulted in a score except one which lasted 3:06 on only 5 plays.
Had the first drive gained 1 first down and taken 3:06, even with the second drive still being the worst of the day at 2:54, the Patriots would have taken up 6 minutes of the 10:23 remaining simply by gaining 1 first down on each drive and running 9 total plays. The Colts 2 TD drives took 4:44. At best the Colts would have had to burn all their timeout and had about 30 seconds left deep in their own territory, if only the offense had gained 2 first downs and run 9 plays in 2 drives. That same offense that had 4 TDs, 1 FG and one punt after a 3:06 drive in their 6 possessions so far.
It is ridiculous to say that playing conservative and playing the clock with 10:23 left and a 17 point lead is the wrong thing to do.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Why would he want credit for a loss?

Turnovers happened three more times to them than us, which is a good thing.



Is this some sort of secret code? What does it even mean? Do we have to fill out a Bingo card and win the game? Please, give me a clue.

We had a comfortable lead...OK

We won the game by a comfortable margin. What were we supposed to do?

Why is a turnover consider a 'bad' stop?

 

[Ring 6]

Re: Don't give Peyton the credit - it wasn't him, it was business as usual for the Pa

Actually PIT cameback and was in the game right up until the botched onside kick....

It was a 10 point game at that time.

Botched onside kick? What does that mean? Do you really think a team down 10 and onside kicking is in the game, and NOT recovering the onside kick is a fluke?