The Colts have beat the Patriots 5 out of the last 6 meetings

[Deus Irae]

According to 99% of this thread, the Colts never beat the patriots by being the better team. Apparently heat, crowd noise, referees, injuries, alignment of the stars, and the cointoss have been the deciding factors

How little credit you all give the Colts, who have been decimated with injuries several of the most recent years, just according to most of you the Colts have never been injury plagued so this season must be our year.

Last year, the Patriots went for it on 4th down. IMO, it was the wrong call. HOWEVER, they got the needed distance. The officials blew the call.

In 2008, Gaffney dropped a sure TD pass that would have resulted in a Patriots win. Thomas also committed a terrible penalty that took the team out of FG range, which could at least have resulted a tie moving forward.

So... the last 2 losses have clear focal points, and none of them involve the Colts getting the job done.

In 2007, the Patriots won.

In 2006, the Patriots were beating the Colts like red-headed stepchildren, until the defense became a M*A*S*H unit. The Colts were able to exploit this by abusing Alexander, since he couldn't cover the tight end that night.

2005 was a Colts blowout.


That's not excuse making. That's just breaking down what happened.

 

[L Bizzle]

Last year, the Patriots went for it on 4th down. IMO, it was the wrong call. HOWEVER, they got the needed distance. The officials blew the call.

In 2008, The Colts were the better team

In 2007, the Patriots won.

So... the last 2 losses have clear focal points, and none of them involve the Colts getting the job done.

In 2006, the Colts were the better team

2005 The Colts were the better team


This is called excuse making. Not breaking down what happened.

Fixed that list of excuses for you. I also could give many reasons why the Colts lost the games they did to the Patriots if it mattered, even the one game the Patriots won (barely) in recent years in 07 but...

No excuses, no explanations

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

So why did Peter use 2003? Why not 2000 which would give a full 10 years? Why use an odd year (2003) unless there was a stat he wanted to use and then fit it in.

Now out of the 5 out of 6 games most were at the Lube. I wonder what it would have been if the games were 3 home and 3 away.

We've played each other every single year since 2003.

Pats Colts games are always great, close games. I expect nothing less this week.

 

[Kontradiction]

Fixed that list of excuses for you. I also could give many reasons why the Colts lost the games they did to the Patriots if it mattered, even the one game the Patriots won (barely) in recent years in 07 but...

No excuses, no explanations

You have explanations for your offense getting shut down by a top notch defense?

 

[Deus Irae]

Fixed that list of excuses for you. I also could give a list of reasons why the Colts lost the games they did to the Patriots if it mattered, but...

No excuses, no explanations

You don't seem to understand the difference between "excuse" and "reason" as understood by context.

Excuse:

to offer an apology for; seek to remove the blame of:

an explanation offered as a reason for being excused; a plea offered in extenuation of a fault or for release from an obligation, promise, etc.:

a pretext or subterfuge

Excuse | Define Excuse at Dictionary.com

Reason:

a basis or cause, as for some belief, action, fact, event, etc.

Reason | Define Reason at Dictionary.com

Now, I'm not going to go into each of your 'adjustments', because they are foolish, but I'll use the 2008 game as an example.

The reality is that Gaffney dropped a sure TD. That doesn't "excuse" the loss. It explains it. The Colts still won the game. They did so because of a failing of the Patriots, however, not because of something they did.

And, before you start cracking out that "excuse" crap again, I said the same thing about the Patriots win over the Ravens last year, when the Ravens were marching for a score at the end of the game, and the receiver flat-out dropped a pass inside the Patriots 10 yard line:

If not for a dropped pass, the Ravens would have been in position to win the game. They out gained New England 363-319, and Rice averaged over 9 yards a carry.

 

[L Bizzle]

You don't seem to understand the difference

Save the Websters/Dictionary.com BS for someone who will argue back and forth with you over semantics.

If the Patriots would have scored more than the Colts, they would have won the game.

If my sister had a johnson she'd be my brother.

You're just sounding like a whiner.

It took Manning a few years to figure out the Patriots D, they were that good back then, all the credit in the world to that Defense for leading the team to 3 championships almost 7 years ago...no excuses needed for those games back then the Pats had a better team

Now in recent years as Manning has figured out the defense and schemes for the Pats, we've seen how the results of the series has swung. No excuses, no explanations

 

[Fball]

I'd imagine that every close game has its share of "coulda, shoulda, woulda's" for the loser - whether it's a dropped pass, tipped ball or mishandled onside kick (SB anyone?)

Whoever wins, wins.

 

[Deus Irae]

Save the Websters/Dictionary.com BS for someone who will argue back and forth with you over semantics.

If the Patriots would have scored more than the Colts, they would have won the game.

If my sister had a johnson she'd be my brother.

You're just sounding like a whiner.

It took Manning a few years to figure out the Patriots D, they were that good back then, all the credit in the world to that Defense for leading the team to 3 championships almost 7 years ago...no excuses needed for those games back then the Pats had a better team

Now in recent years as Manning has figured out the defense and schemes for the Pats, we've seen how the results of the series has swung. No excuses, no explanations

The Colts scored a whopping 18 points in 2008.
The Colts scored a whopping 20 points in 2007.

To you that's figuring out defense and schemes?

Thanks for demonstrating that it's not just Jets fans who come here to troll and post nonsense.

 

[L Bizzle]

The Colts scored a whopping 18 points in 2008.
The Colts scored a whopping 20 points in 2007.

To you that's figuring out defense and schemes?

Thanks for demonstrating that it's not just Jets fans who come here to troll and post nonsense.

Why don't you present the entire list of recent scores instead of cherry picking just two (one where the Colts won the game anyway, I wouldn't call 20 or 18 points being shut out) so yes, I would say Peyton has in recent years "figured out" The Pats defense. You have any reason to say he hasn't?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

According to 99% of this thread, the Colts never beat the patriots by being the better team. Apparently heat, crowd noise, referees, injuries, alignment of the stars, and the cointoss have been the deciding factors

How little credit you all give the Colts, who have been decimated with injuries several of the most recent years, just according to most of you the Colts have never been injury plagued so this season must be our year.

The Colts have had our number since 2005. This is one poster that is not afraid to admit it and I'm sure there's a good number of others.

But you just have to expect the responses that you were getting. If I went to a Colts forum and asked what they thought of the Patriots in the past decade I'm sure I would get plenty of cheaters/they only beat us when their DBs were allowed to mangle our WR's type comments and very few accrediting everything our team has done and earned.

 

[UofApatsfan]

Fixed that list of excuses for you. I also could give many reasons why the Colts lost the games they did to the Patriots if it mattered, even the one game the Patriots won (barely) in recent years in 07 but...

No excuses, no explanations

Congrats on all of those. When do you guys get the "better than the 2005, 2006 and 2008 Patriots" banner hung? His whole point was that even though the Colts won the Patriots were in all of those games and could have just as easily won, he wasn't saying the Patriots were the better team. We already knew 2005, 2006 and 2008 were down years where the team had several major holes, thanks for stating the obvious.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why don't you present the entire list of recent scores instead of cherry picking just two (one where the Colts won the game anyway, I wouldn't call 20 or 18 points being shut out) so yes, I would say Peyton has in recent years "figured out" The Pats defense. You have any reason to say he hasn't?

If he'd "figured out" the defense in the manner you're claiming, he wouldn't have scored 20 points or fewer in 2 of the last 3 encounters.

I'm sorry to pee in your Cheerios, but one of us has to be logical, and it's clear that won't be you.

 

[UofApatsfan]

I wouldn't call 20 or 18 points being shut out) so yes, I would say Peyton has in recent years "figured out" The Pats defense. You have any reason to say he hasn't?

Yes. The defense has been a lot worse in recent years. It's not like he ever figured out how to beat the 2004 defense. If being able to throw at Ellis Hobbs instead of Ty Law is "figuring things out", then yeah, Manning has figured it out. His playoff gaffs against Pittsburgh in 2005 and San Diego in 07 and 08 are evidence to the contrary of him figuring out good 3-4 defenses.

 

[L Bizzle]

Yes. The defense has been a lot worse in recent years. It's not like he ever figured out how to beat the 2004 defense. If being able to throw at Ellis Hobbs instead of Ty Law is "figuring things out", then yeah, Manning has figured it out. His playoff gaffs against Pittsburgh in 2005 and San Diego in 07 and 08 are evidence to the contrary of him figuring out good 3-4 defenses.

The only game out of the 3 you just tried to used against Peyton, 2005 in the only one that you can arguably say he had a average game, yet he did all he could to lead the team to a huge comeback (Vandershank missed the kick to tie the game)

The losses to the Chargers were due to our subpar special teams/defense and lack of pass rush with Freeney and Mathis hurt in consecutive years

Peyton Manning 2007 vs Chargers Playoffs

402 yards, 3tds , 2ints

Manning vs Chargers 2008 Playoffs

310 Yards, 1 td, 0 ints

Manning has performed EXTREMELY well against LEGIT 3-4 defenses, from the Chargers to the Steelers to the Patriots to the Ravens to all the teams who have hopped on the 3-4 bandwagon as of late, and the stats prove it.

 

[UofApatsfan]

The only game out of the 3 you just tried to used against Peyton, 2005 in the only one that you can arguably say he had a average game, yet he did all he could to lead the team to a huge comeback (Vandershank missed the kick to tie the game)

The losses to the Chargers were due to our subpar special teams/defense and lack of pass rush with Freeney and Mathis hurt in consecutive years

Peyton Manning 2007 vs Chargers Playoffs

402 yards, 3tds , 2ints

Manning vs Chargers 2008 Playoffs

310 Yards, 1 td, 0 ints

Manning has performed EXTREMELY well against LEGIT 3-4 defenses, from the Chargers to the Steelers to the Patriots to the Ravens to all the teams who have hopped on the 3-4 bandwagon as of late, and the stats prove it.

In 2008, he scored 17 points against an 8-8 team that allowed 21.7 ppg during the regular season. If that's not struggling, I'd love to hear what is.

 

[L Bizzle]

In 2008, he scored 17 points against an 8-8 team that allowed 21.7 ppg during the regular season. If that's not struggling, I'd love to hear what is.

Okay, well welcome to the twilight zone where 310 Yards 1 td no interceptions 91 QB rating is "struggling"

That 2008 team was a division winner, playing at home BTW

As I said maybe 2 posts ago, Defense/Special teams lost those games to the chargers not Peyton Manning, no matter how hard you all here try to project that

 

[TBradyOwnsYou]

Last 6 games:
Nov. 7, 2005 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 40-21
Nov. 5, 2006 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 27-20
Jan. 21, 2007 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 38-34
Nov. 4, 2007 Indianapolis New England Patriots 24-20
Nov. 2, 2008 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 18-15
Nov. 15, 2009 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 35-34

We:
Lost by 19 at home.
Lost by 7 at home.
Lost by 4 away.
Won by 4 away.
Lost by 3 away.
Lost by 1 away.

So, in the last 6 games, yes, Indy has had success.
The scores don't imply the domination that the W/L record does however.
In the last 4 games, he has a 75% win percent, but only scored 4 more points than the Pats... I wouldn't call that having a defense "figured out."

 

[RobertWeathers]

The only game out of the 3 you just tried to used against Peyton, 2005 in the only one that you can arguably say he had a average game, yet he did all he could to lead the team to a huge comeback (Vandershank missed the kick to tie the game)

The losses to the Chargers were due to our subpar special teams/defense and lack of pass rush with Freeney and Mathis hurt in consecutive years

Peyton Manning 2007 vs Chargers Playoffs

402 yards, 3tds , 2ints

Manning vs Chargers 2008 Playoffs

310 Yards, 1 td, 0 ints

Manning has performed EXTREMELY well against LEGIT 3-4 defenses, from the Chargers to the Steelers to the Patriots to the Ravens to all the teams who have hopped on the 3-4 bandwagon as of late, and the stats prove it.

Both his INTs were deep in SD territory. Thats inexcusible for a playoff game. Just like Brady on 05 vs DEN and 07 AFCCC vs SD.

 

[L Bizzle]

Last 6 games:
Nov. 7, 2005 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 40-21
Nov. 5, 2006 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 27-20
Jan. 21, 2007 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 38-34
Nov. 4, 2007 Indianapolis New England Patriots 24-20
Nov. 2, 2008 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 18-15
Nov. 15, 2009 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 35-34

We:
Lost by 19 at home.
Lost by 7 at home.
Lost by 4 away.
Won by 4 away.
Lost by 3 away.
Lost by 1 away.

So, in the last 6 games, yes, Indy has had success.
The scores don't imply the domination that the W/L record does however.
In the last 4 games, he has a 75% win percent, but only scored 4 more points than the Pats... I wouldn't call that having a defense "figured out."

Since 2003 (when this era of the rivalry began)

Patriots Dominance

Nov. 30, 2003 Indianapolis New England Patriots 38-34
Jan. 18, 2004 Foxborough New England Patriots 24-14
Sep. 9, 2004 Foxborough New England Patriots 27-24
Jan. 16, 2005 Foxborough New England Patriots 20-3

Colts PPG: 18.75 Win/loss 0-4

Colts Dominance


Nov. 7, 2005 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 40-21
Nov. 5, 2006 Foxborough Indianapolis Colts 27-20
Jan. 21, 2007 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 38-34
Nov. 4, 2007 Indianapolis New England Patriots 24-20
Nov. 2, 2008 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 18-15
Nov. 15, 2009 Indianapolis Indianapolis Colts 35-34

29 Points Per game Win loss 5-1

Over 10 more points per game

5-1 Record


So for the LAST TIME. Yes. PEYTON MANNING HAS FIGURED OUT THE PATRIOTS DEFENSE IN RECENT YEARS, AND THE STATS PROVE IT.

Does anyone else want to continue this argument in the face of facts????

 

[Deus Irae]

Does anyone else want to continue this argument in the face of facts????

20 points or fewer in 2 of the last 3 games.


Those are the facts. You continue to ignore that reality.