Christopher Price got some interesting quotes re Brady

[Fencer]

patriots - Deconstructing Tom Brady - WEEI | Christopher Price

Most of them are variants on the usual "Great guy, great leader" theme we know so well. But also:

Joe Theismann, former NFL MVP and “NFL Network” analyst. Theismann believes that as an on-field signal-caller, Brady is the best the league has ever seen: “I believed that Joe Montana was the greatest quarterback to play the game. I think that Tom Brady is now. I think he’s the best quarterback who has ever played the game of football. What makes him special in my mind is that he and Peyton [Manning] have equal aptitudes — they are equally smart, they understand the offense, they know what they want to do, they prepare endlessly. All of the qualities you look for in someone who is going to be special.

“But I think Tom throws the football better than anybody in football. It’s a tighter spiral. He plays in outdoor conditions, not indoor conditions. Sixteen games, he could be in absolute garbage. Every stadium is an outdoor stadium in his division. When you’re in a dome environment, it’s a different thing. Peyton’s ball has a little bit of ‘ears’ on it from time to time. Joe’s ball had a little bit of ‘ears’ on it from time to time.

“I feel like as far as what separates him is his ability to purely throw the football. Joe Montana. Peyton Manning. The great quarterbacks like Dan Marino. John Elway. Brett Favre. You name all of them. I think the best pure thrower of the football is Tom Brady, and that’s why I give him the edge. If you were able to put those guys in a pool together, everybody is just great. They’re all Hall of Famers. They’re all special. They’re all unique. But what separates Tom from them is his ability to throw the football the way he throws it.”

 

[Nikolai]

Not that I disagree, particularly about Brady's beautiful looking passes, but having Joe Theismann deliver the message does not inspire confidence.

I do think that one day, people will look back and realize Tom's greatness exceeds that of any other contemporary. No one likes a champion these days, until they become nostalgic. The accomplishments of Tom Brady and the Patriots will age very well, but for now, people, including fans on this board, are simply unable to appreciate it. It's unfortunate really.

 

[Jackson 2]

patriots - Deconstructing Tom Brady - WEEI | Christopher Price

Most of them are variants on the usual "Great guy, great leader" theme we know so well. But also:

Should be sent to Woodson at NFLN.

 

[sieglo]

There’s no quarterback I’d rather have than Tom Brady. He does a great job for us in all phases of the game.

Huh?

Was BB just on autopilot for this answer, or is Brady playing defense and special teams now?

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

OK Tommy Boy, time to have a Lights Out HOF game Sunday against the Vikes. Do it!

 

[ivanvamp]

Not that I disagree, particularly about Brady's beautiful looking passes, but having Joe Theismann deliver the message does not inspire confidence.

I do think that one day, people will look back and realize Tom's greatness exceeds that of any other contemporary. No one likes a champion these days, until they become nostalgic. The accomplishments of Tom Brady and the Patriots will age very well, but for now, people, including fans on this board, are simply unable to appreciate it. It's unfortunate really.

In baseball, there is a stat called ops+, which is on-base percentage plus slugging percentage taken into the context of that player's stadium, league, and era in which he played. Thus, suppose player A has an ops of .800 hitting in cavernous Petco Park in San Diego and player B has that same ops of .800 hitting in cozy Philadelphia. Player A's ops+ will actually be higher because it's harder to hit that well in San Diego.

I wish the NFL had a similar stat for QB. Obviously they have QB rating. No clue how they figure out QB rating, but it's one measure of a QB's effectiveness. However, it doesn't take into consideration the home stadium that the player plays in. So consider Manning vs. Brady. Imagine Brady playing almost all of his games in either a dome or in a warm weather city (like Jacksonville). Brady plays in the most northeast city in the NFL, where the weather is routinely awful, and two other teams in his division are also cold-weather, outdoor stadiums (Buffalo and the Jets). So he plays a *lot* more games in bad weather than Manning does.

So if they had similar QB ratings but Brady is playing in the equivalent of Petco Park while Manning is playing in the equivalent of Citizens' Bank Park (Philly), then those QB ratings are not equal.

I wish someone would come up with a QB rating + stat. It would be really helpful.

 

[JSn]

I wish someone would come up with a QB rating + stat. It would be really helpful.

That's really interesting stuff. It would be a tough stat to keep since football crosses two seasons and begins and ends in drastically different weather (in the northern states). It would make for some pretty crazy math. I absolutely agree with your premise though.

 

[37Harrison]

I have to agree with Joe's assessment, especially after watching this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODlL8azAEKo

 

[Nikolai]

I have to agree with Joe's assessment, especially after watching this:

YouTube - Tom Brady Tribute - 3-Time Superbowl Champion QB

One of the great things about this video is that it completely disproves the utterly asinine notion that Brady was incapable of throwing the long ball before Moss arrived.

 

[DaBruinz]

One of the great things about this video is that it completely disproves the utterly asinine notion that Brady was incapable of throwing the long ball before Moss arrived.

Brady actually had better success in 2004 throwing the long ball than he did with Moss here... How's that for scary...

 

[TruthSeeker]

Brady actually had better success in 2004 throwing the long ball than he did with Moss here... How's that for scary...

Brady's been average over his career with the long ball (IMO). I've seen lots of misses. Of course, other QBs miss a lot as well but I see other QBs throw the long ball and I usually wonder why Brady doesn't do as well as them.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

In baseball, there is a stat called ops+, which is on-base percentage plus slugging percentage taken into the context of that player's stadium, league, and era in which he played. Thus, suppose player A has an ops of .800 hitting in cavernous Petco Park in San Diego and player B has that same ops of .800 hitting in cozy Philadelphia. Player A's ops+ will actually be higher because it's harder to hit that well in San Diego.

I wish the NFL had a similar stat for QB. Obviously they have QB rating. No clue how they figure out QB rating, but it's one measure of a QB's effectiveness. However, it doesn't take into consideration the home stadium that the player plays in. So consider Manning vs. Brady. Imagine Brady playing almost all of his games in either a dome or in a warm weather city (like Jacksonville). Brady plays in the most northeast city in the NFL, where the weather is routinely awful, and two other teams in his division are also cold-weather, outdoor stadiums (Buffalo and the Jets). So he plays a *lot* more games in bad weather than Manning does.

So if they had similar QB ratings but Brady is playing in the equivalent of Petco Park while Manning is playing in the equivalent of Citizens' Bank Park (Philly), then those QB ratings are not equal.

I wish someone would come up with a QB rating + stat. It would be really helpful.

While not perfect, FootballOutsiders has a DVOA number which tries to measure defense-adjusted value over average. If you're interested, the 2010 figures are here:

FOOTBALL OUTSIDERS: Innovative Statistics, Intelligent Analysis | QUARTERBACKS 2010

Right now, they have Brady at 7th overall with a value of 25% over average. It's not bad, but not as good as 2009 when Brady was ranked 2nd overall with a DVOA of 44%. You might find the site really interesting though, there's a ton of stuff.

Bear in mind that statistical analysis in football is nowhere near as precise as baseball for all sorts of reasons, and the FO guys sometimes reach crazy conclusions, but they are trying to make sense of it all and doing a pretty good job overall.

 

[CheeseMonkeys]

Brady was 6th round pick because he didn't look athletic nor did he have much of a college career, but Bill saw the work ethic and that he was a leader. He also was a decent passer and with plenty of work and time he has become a legend.

 

[Ghost of Ben Dreith]

Count on that piece of bear crap McMahon to try to take credit away from the GOAT.....I wonder if he was just repeating ****ta's views.

Other than that....great write up by Price.

 

[juny]

I don't think Brady is ever going to get the respect he deserves. A lot of people think Manning is better even though Brady has more rings, higher winning percentage, and probably the single best passing season ever. Wins, rings, and stats and they still think low of him. Hopefully they get ring #4 and end all this nonsense.

 

[Synovia]

I wish the NFL had a similar stat for QB. Obviously they have QB rating. No clue how they figure out QB rating, but it's one measure of a QB's effectiveness. However, it doesn't take into consideration the home stadium that the player plays in. So consider Manning vs. Brady. Imagine Brady playing almost all of his games in either a dome or in a warm weather city (like Jacksonville). Brady plays in the most northeast city in the NFL, where the weather is routinely awful, and two other teams in his division are also cold-weather, outdoor stadiums (Buffalo and the Jets). So he plays a *lot* more games in bad weather than Manning does.
l.

Footballoutsiders.com DVOA: Defense Adjusted Value over Average.


Manning is still a better passer than he is. ANd I say that as a patriots homer.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

Footballoutsiders.com DVOA: Defense Adjusted Value over Average.


Manning is still a better passer than he is. ANd I say that as a patriots homer.

Manning may be the best regular season QB who was fortunate to play most of his games in a dome or warm weather ever. And he's got a mountain of stats to support this.

I'd still take Brady for his intangibles and his play-off performances and I'm a huge homer I know.

 

[ausbacker]

Footballoutsiders.com DVOA: Defense Adjusted Value over Average.


Manning is still a better passer than he is. ANd I say that as a patriots homer.

I don't think Manning is a better passer than Brady at all, quite the contrary. Manning is a super intelligent QB who has my respect nonetheless.

 

[Synovia]

Manning may be the best regular season QB who was fortunate to play most of his games in a dome or warm weather ever. And he's got a mountain of stats to support this.

I'd still take Brady for his intangibles and his play-off performances and I'm a huge homer I know.

Playoff performances? Brady's last4 or 5 playoff games have been abysmal.


And you spelled intangibles wrong. It's spelled D-E-F-E-N-C-E.

 

[PatsDeb]

Playoff performances? Brady's last4 or 5 playoff games have been abysmal.


And you spelled intangibles wrong. It's spelled D-E-F-E-N-C-E.

Huh? You spelled it wrong too!