Roster Question: If (when) we don't move Mankins today...

[JSn]

Do we have to cut someone when he decides to report?I assume his holdout has given us a roster exemption, but I can't remember.

If so, this would seem doubly unfair. I'd say find him an agreeable deal and just get him out of here.

Anyway, that's my question. Does someone have to go?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Do we have to cut someone when he decides to report?I assume his holdout has given us a roster exemption, but I can't remember.

If so, this would seem doubly unfair. I'd say find him an agreeable deal and just get him out of here.

Anyway, that's my question. Does someone have to go?

Not a roster exemption, per se; since he's not signed to a contract, he can't be part of the 53.

The NFL could grant a roster exemption after he signs his tender (one of Goodell's wonderful inconsistencies is when he grants roster exemptions and when he doesn't), but, in any case, the Patriots don't have to make a roster move until and unless he signs his tender.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

IF we're at 53 when he reports and I expect us to be, then yes someone needs to be cut or put on IR.

Nobody is willing to pay him the $ he wants AND give the Pats a pick they'll accept

 

[NE39]

Once Taylor gets healthy, I think Thomas Clayton will go anyway. Also, they cut Ojinnaka and Ohrnberger earlier before re-signing them, so either one of them can go as well.

They can find a roster spot.

 

[Bostonian1962]

Do we have to cut someone when he decides to report?I assume his holdout has given us a roster exemption, but I can't remember.

If so, this would seem doubly unfair. I'd say find him an agreeable deal and just get him out of here.

Anyway, that's my question. Does someone have to go?

I hate to say it, but I would think before he comes back in November, that somebody will be injured. That's how the NFL is these days. It shouldn't be an issue. Best case, nobody gets hurt, and they have to do a maneuver, but it should all work out in the end.

 

[MassPats38]

IF we're at 53 when he reports and I expect us to be, then yes someone needs to be cut or put on IR.

Nobody is willing to pay him the $ he wants AND give the Pats a pick they'll accept

And given the fact the highest paid guard is presently a part of the Saints line caving in under pressure this year, I expect the Saints would take a mulligan on that contract if given the opportunity.

 

[alamo]

They will only have to make room immediately if they want him to be able to play in the very next game.

He takes no roster spot right now, obviously. When he signs and reports, the Pats can request a short term (2 week or so) roster exemption during which he can practice but not play. This is pretty standard when holdouts have missed training camp.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

And given the fact the highest paid guard is presently a part of the Saints line caving in under pressure this year, I expect the Saints would take a mulligan on that contract if given the opportunity.

Excellent observation. Whod a thunk it that instead of dire things happening tp the Pats with Mankins out instead it would be the SB Champ Saints in trouble with their $8M OG? I have to think that GMs around the league look at that sutuation and then pass on Logan's contract demands.

Mankins is never going to recover financially from his decision to turn down the reputed $7M in 2010 and thereafter from the Patriots, an offer that in retrospect at least Bob Kraft is now likely happy wasn't accepted.

 

[TruthSeeker]

...all the silly trade rumors can stop.

 

[Gwedd]

I'm half expecting to see Mankins signed then put on IR for a serious brain cramp.

 

[Deus Irae]

Excellent observation. Whod a thunk it that instead of dire things happening tp the Pats with Mankins out instead it would be the SB Champ Saints in trouble with their $8M OG? I have to think that GMs around the league look at that sutuation and then pass on Logan's contract demands.

Mankins is never going to recover financially from his decision to turn down the reputed $7M in 2010 and thereafter from the Patriots, an offer that in retrospect at least Bob Kraft is now likely happy wasn't accepted.

Where is this reputed $7 million for 2010? Both the agent, and Reiss (if my memory of which reporter is correct), reported that the deal offered required Mankins to play 2010 under the tender number.

Mankins is out less than 2 million for 2010, because of the Patriots deciding to slash the tender. He'll make that up in 1-2 years, probably in guarantees, is he gets the type of deal he's looking for.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Correct. What I posted was wrong about 2010.
However, Mankins caused himself to forefit the larger intitial tender # for 2010 before his intransigence motivated the Pats to reduce the amount.
I do not see someone paying him anything close to $8M per year.
We'll see.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Where is this reputed $7 million for 2010? Both the agent, and Reiss (if my memory of which reporter is correct), reported that the deal offered required Mankins to play 2010 under the tender number.

Mankins is out less than 2 million for 2010, because of the Patriots deciding to slash the tender. He'll make that up in 1-2 years, probably in guarantees, is he gets the type of deal he's looking for.

I think the point the previous poster is trying to make is that Jahri Evans' contract looks like it might be an albatross that doesn't have much effect on the market (similar to how Ghost's new contract doesn't top the insane $$$ Al Davis had to pay to keep Janikowski and Lechler).

 

[Deus Irae]

I think the point the previous poster is trying to make is that Jahri Evans' contract looks like it might be an albatross that doesn't have much effect on the market (similar to how Ghost's new contract doesn't top the insane $$$ Al Davis had to pay to keep Janikowski and Lechler).

Evans' contract isn't an outlier, though, and it's not all that different from what Mangold got. One's 7 for $55 million ($22 million in guarantees of one sort or another), the other is 7 for $56.7 million ($19 million in guarantees). Evans' deal surpassed Faneca's by only $100,000 APY, according to NFP:

The contract is for seven years and totals 56.7M. With an 8.1M average, it surpasses Faneca by $100,000 as the highest APY for a guard. It contains 19M of guaranteed money, although no guaranteed money after this year. It has 25.6M in the all-important category of money over the first three years.

On guard: the Evans deal | National Football Post

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

At this point I'd prefer to see him gone, and even a 3rd round pick would be better than the nothingness I expect from him in the future while wearing a Patriots uniform.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I'm half expecting to see Mankins signed then put on IR for a serious brain cramp.

I doubt that. But if he shows up out of shape (possible) and can't pass a condition test they could put him on PUP.

Another possiblity is just cut him out right. The Patriots would be giving up the expected comp pick in the 2012 draft and he would be a FA immeadetely able to sign with any team, but the Pats would not owe him a penny.

 

[Gwedd]

I doubt that. But if he shows up out of shape (possible) and can't pass a condition test they could put him on PUP.

Another possiblity is just cut him out right. The Patriots would be giving up the expected comp pick in the 2012 draft and he would be a FA immeadetely able to sign with any team, but the Pats would not owe him a penny.

And that is also a very real possibility. Would not surprise me at all.

 

[stinkypete]

Look...

Mankins won't be traded because:
-He's not under contract. He has to sign his tender first, and I don't see him signing and accepting a trade unless a long term deal is part of it.
-Nobody's going to give up a 2nd round pick for him.

Finally:
-A pissed off Mankins for 6 games + playoffs + a 3rd round pick > a 2nd round pick. Mankins definitely helps the team win now, and they're starting to look like a team that might be able to win now. After watching Hal Ngata push around the interior line Sunday, are you telling me you wouldn't feel better with Mankins?

 

[Synovia]

Evans' contract isn't an outlier, though, and it's not all that different from what Mangold got. One's 7 for $55 million ($22 million in guarantees of one sort or another), the other is 7 for $56.7 million ($19 million in guarantees). Evans' deal surpassed Faneca's by only $100,000 APY, according to NFP:



On guard: the Evans deal | National Football Post

There's also 4 or 5 other guards making that sort of money.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I doubt that. But if he shows up out of shape (possible) and can't pass a condition test they could put him on PUP.

Another possiblity is just cut him out right. The Patriots would be giving up the expected comp pick in the 2012 draft and he would be a FA immeadetely able to sign with any team, but the Pats would not owe him a penny.

Given that we are already thin on the O Line he is needed at a minimum for insurance (invevitable Neal injury in 3,2....).

He will also be motivated to prove to potential suitors that he is still worth the money that he held out for.