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If only we signed that beast... :(
 
Okay, I was exaggerating on the second point ;) but no, I totally agree with the OP that the Pats need a major disruptor on defense--the kind of player that's been missing since perhaps Willie McGinest. The bend don't break 2 gap defense is getting us nowhere. We needed players on D this year, but chose yet again to bring in a bunch of bodies instead. I am just so tired of not seeing a guy that scares opposing teams have to always account for.

Impossible to be halfway facetious? I don't think so ace.

You are assuming that Peppers would agree to come here. We have no idea what the non-cash incentives were for him, so this sort of wishing is pretty much nonsense. He isn't here, we have no idea if he WOULD have agreed to play here, so it's a pretty worthless discussion.

respects,
 
I'm very happy Peppers is not here. He wouldn't have fit in.

On top of that, he may grind your gears this year, but next year he'll grind it a little less and in 3 years he will be washed up.

In three years, who we have on defense will be just entering the prime of their careers.
 
I'm very happy Peppers is not here. He wouldn't have fit in.

On top of that, he may grind your gears this year, but next year he'll grind it a little less and in 3 years he will be washed up.

In three years, who we have on defense will be just entering the prime of their careers.

This....... We should be discussing the players and schemes we HAVE, and not some fantasy football situation. There's a reason that coach only discusses players who are with the team, because no one else matters.
 
The Pats just signed Brady to the richest extension on a per year basis ever. They also made Wilfork the highest paid NT ever. The Pats are not cheap. They manage their money smartly and pay for guys they feel they really need. I heard that the Pats front office was making offers for Peppers. It's just that the Bears paid out the most. You just can't win the big free agent every time although that would be nice. You can't spend like the Yankees do because football actually has a salary cap.
 
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The Pats just signed Brady to the richest extension on a per year basis ever. They also made Wilfork the highest paid NT ever. The Pats are not cheap. They manage their money smartly and pay for guys they feel they really need. I heard that the Pats front office was making offers for Peppers. It's just that the Bears paid out the most. You just can't win the big free agent every time although that would be nice. You can't spend like the Yankees do because football actually has a salary cap.

Adalius Thomas is a big example of why a big free agent signing does not always lead to a great deal,even though it looks great on paper.

I always wondered if SF who was closest to NE in obtaining Thomas would have been a better fit for him.
 
Another fanboy thread ignoring the realities of the huge contracts given out to Wilfork and Brady. Here's a clue, you can't pay league leading #s to everyone you'd like to have. And not everyone is a fit, year after year, not just one season of a multi-year contract.

Fans who have trouble grasping this concept should stick to baseball where teams like the Sox and Yanks buy their championships, and sometimes even that is no guarantee.
 
Really? I forget the exact number, but the Patriots are right up there in total payroll over the last few years. If you want cheap, go support the Bucs.

The Patriots don't pay over market value for certain players. They make up for it by having higher paid guys at the end of the roster.

well......they're not spending it on defense.

I'd be willing to bet that the pats have the lowest paid group of LB's in the NFL, and have got to be almost as close with the DB's

what do they say? you get what you pay for? or how about 'the right mix of youth and veteran leadership'?
 
I'm very happy Peppers is not here. He wouldn't have fit in.

On top of that, he may grind your gears this year, but next year he'll grind it a little less and in 3 years he will be washed up.

In three years, who we have on defense will be just entering the prime of their careers.

because the defenders they currently have fit so well together? :confused:
 
Adalius Thomas is a big example of why a big free agent signing does not always lead to a great deal,even though it looks great on paper.

I always wondered if SF who was closest to NE in obtaining Thomas would have been a better fit for him.

you're right. paying guys doesn't work. using high draft picks on an OLB's doesn't work.

the highest paid OLB on the pats roster is TBC with a total cap hit of 3M. The next listed could not even make the team (pierre woods) the rest of them are at or near the minimum.

'you get what you pay for' is just as likely if not more likely than the hit or miss of signing FA's
 
This is year 2 of a 3 year re-building program. Next year we combine the draft and a few FA signing to move back into elite.

At least that is what I keep telling myself... please let me keep my dellusions to myself.
 
The Pats just signed Brady to the richest extension on a per year basis ever. They also made Wilfork the highest paid NT ever. The Pats are not cheap. They manage their money smartly and pay for guys they feel they really need. I heard that the Pats front office was making offers for Peppers. It's just that the Bears paid out the most. You just can't win the big free agent every time although that would be nice. You can't spend like the Yankees do because football actually has a salary cap.

I never said anything about the Pats being cheap. And I am fully aware that we are not the Yankees of the NFL. However, what grinds my gears is that the Pats constantly want free agents to come in on THEIR terms. So basically what ends up happening is we are only able to sign guys in love with the Pats philosophy or players which are perceived as washed up. Sometimes it's okay to overpay for a star althlete, look at the money we wasted on Adalius Thomas or the money Mankins is refusing to take. What gets me really hot is the arrogance with which this team approaches free agents who have not played for them.
When your team is seriously lacking talent at OLB/DE, the staple of the defense, and a superstar becomes available you have to jump all over it, and not bicker about a few more million being left on the table.

You know what I may be wrong, but team has nothing at OLB even TBC is a situation pass rusher at best. This lack of talent at OLB will bit us in the @ss all season long, and it did not have to be this way. Sometimes we just need a great superstar instead of 5 average players.
 
I never said anything about the Pats being cheap. And I am fully aware that we are not the Yankees of the NFL. However, what grinds my gears is that the Pats constantly want free agents to come in on THEIR terms. So basically what ends up happening is we are only able to sign guys in love with the Pats philosophy or players which are perceived as washed up. Sometimes it's okay to overpay for a star althlete, look at the money we wasted on Adalius Thomas or the money Mankins is refusing to take. What gets me really hot is the arrogance with which this team approaches free agents who have not played for them.
When your team is seriously lacking talent at OLB/DE, the staple of the defense, and a superstar becomes available you have to jump all over it, and not bicker about a few more million being left on the table.

You know what I may be wrong, but team has nothing at OLB even TBC is a situation pass rusher at best. This lack of talent at OLB will bit us in the @ss all season long, and it did not have to be this way. Sometimes we just need a great superstar instead of 5 average players.

You know, you kind of contradict your own point by bringing up the money "wasted" on Adalius Thomas. He was the Julius Peppers of that free agency crop, and the Pats broke the bank for him, the way you wanted them to do for Peppers.

Let's also remember that 3 or 4 years before the Thomas signing, the Pats also went after, and landed, the premiere pass-rusher in that free agency class -- Rosevelt Colvin. In other words, twice in his tenure, Belichick has gone after a star pass rusher, and outbid the competition to land him.

Your theory of "arrogance" and bickering over a few million dollars runs counter to the actual facts.

The problem isn't that the front office has refused to do what you want them to, it's that they've done it twice, and both times, rolled snake eyes. Nobody could have known that Rosey was going to shatter his hip and never be the same player again. The case of Adalius Thomas' disappointment is more complicated. Maybe, in retrospect, it was a mistake to put his versatility to the test and move him to ILB his first year with the Pats. Of course, maybe if he hadn't gotten hurt halfway through '08, and had the double-digit sack season he was on pace for, and thus hadn't been branded a disappointment by the local sports media, perhaps he wouldn't have gone off the reservation the way he did.

We'll never know. Every draft pick, every free agent acquisition, is a roll of the dice, a chance a team takes whose outcome depends on an incalculable number of different factors. So, neither of the Pats' two big splurges at the DE/OLB position panned out. That sucks, and if you want to blame Belichick for some of it, we can talk about his handling of the Thomas' situation. But it's just ridiculous to act like the team hasn't shown a willingness to go out and sign a premiere pass rusher.
 
You know, you kind of contradict your own point by bringing up the money "wasted" on Adalius Thomas. He was the Julius Peppers of that free agency crop...

I get your point but Thomas was never ever of the talent level of Peppers, it's easy to look back now because it didn't work but at the time we were desperate for a LB who could play right away and Thomas fit the bill. He was actually pretty good when he played inside in 07.

If we had got Peppers i would have been really happy even if we over paid. He's just a monster and it would have been cool to see how BB used a player with such athletic ability.
 
I was being halfway facetious, but why should it annoy you personally? Are you Jonathan Kraft?

Anyway, you could take away any 3 players on the Pats' defense besides Vince, use an 8 man defense with Peppers and it would be better than our current defense.

Yes!

So 3 lineman, 3 lbs and 2 dbs? Against 11, empty backfield, 2 blocking TEs and 3 WRs! The WR being covered by a LB would be abused!

I am sooooo glad you aren't a Pats coach ;)
 
Have a little PATIENCE.

I have plenty of patience.....patience usually has some expectation that goes along with it....I've been waiting for the pats to draft an OLB since colvin got hurt the first time

what are your expectations for OLB? the only reason there is hope for cunningham is that none of know what he is capable of. we KNOW what the rest of the OLB's are capacble of
 
Peppers commitment and love for the game have been questioned. He has a reputation for dogging it for seasons at a time. Sure that turned Belichick off.
 
So people think Brady for sure will be playing at the same level in 3 years? Well, I'm glad we're wasting all of his 30's to let our defense develop.

LMAO listening to the excuses in this thread are priceless. We're ranked close to 30 in most defensive stastics arent we? So I really don't see how much better this defense actually gets. It will be a damn shame to have this squad miss a playoff appearance over a weak defense. I'm hoping the young guys gel but it sounds like everyone has given up on this season already saying it's just re-building.
 
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