Herald: BJGE just getting started

[nashvillepatsfan]

Patriotsfaninpa, I agree 100% with your assessment of Maroney's ballwashers on this board. I also respect what patjew posted. But you are absolutely right about people being ridiculed whenever anyone tried to demonstrate how Maroney was a first-class bust. Imagine that, BB actually knows a thing or two about football - much more so than posters on this board......

fyi, BB was the one saying last season during 2 PCs, that the O-line wasnt doing a good job blocking for Maroney. It wasnt just the "ball washers".......

Now, before anyone jumps on my azz
I prefer BJGE. I like the hard inside runner who fights for another yard. Thats just not Maroneys style. I also agree with another poster, that JM will probably find a way to get Maroney the ball in space, and he'll see some success. One more thing. Although i'm happy to see BJGE doing well, I think i'll wait till he goes up against a real defense before I put him in Dillons league. It was afterall, the Bills

 

[Reckedtrek]

fyi, BB was the one saying last season during 2 PCs, that the O-line wasnt doing a good job blocking for Maroney. It wasnt just the "ball washers".......

Now, before anyone jumps on my azz
I prefer BJGE. I like the hard inside runner who fights for another yard. Thats just not Maroneys style. I also agree with another poster, that JM will probably find a way to get Maroney the ball in space, and he'll see some success. One more thing. Although i'm happy to see BJGE doing well, I think i'll wait till he goes up against a real defense before I put him in Dillons league. It was afterall, the Bills

BJGE is no Corey Dillon. and neither is LoMo, that's for sure. I didn't see LoMo as an all out bust, but I saw him as being hugely underachieving. Had he been a 5th round pick, people wouldn't care as much. I see a bust as someone who never produces, and LoMo did, sporadically. I label him an underachiever, at least in the NE offense. Sometimes he looked very good, sometimes he just sucked. For a first rounder, you expect more. A lot more.

BJGE is the classic hard worker, come out of nowhere overachiever. I hope he continues to improve. I'm not THE biggest BJGE fan, but I like him because he busts his ***** every play. I suspected he'd make the 53 because he did for the last two years as well, and has only gained further experience since, yet there were plenty of people who were very verbal and outspoken about how there was *no way* he would make it this time, and his time as a Patriot was done.
The same people who have said a 1000 times, "you can get a guy just like him or better off the scrap heap whenever you want"... well I guess they should let BB know that.
The same people who once he made the 53, replied with He's #53 or #52 at best, and he shouldn't get too comfortable as they'll be dropping him any time now...
the same people who then said...he may have made the 53, but he'll never be on the 45 unless everyone else is injured and they have no other option. Granted, they are getting thinner at RB, but he is not there last option... and he's on the active 45...

I hope he can keep he numbers improving, and I especially hope he does that with his carries per game going up. The team needs a reliable, serviceable back for the season. Hopefully he can be the one.

 

[spacecrime]

Since almost every thread you started for years has been a joke, why change now? Why not just lie about what was said? Those who didn't like Maroney claimed that Maroney was a bust and unproductive, and others disputed it. That has been hashed over so many times no need to repeat it.

In the end, BB's decision to trade Maroney may have been the best for the team (though the IRing of Faulk shows that it may have been a tad premature), but that was never the "Maroney sucks" argument. It was always about who was the better running back, Maroney or Morris or BJGE.

The fact is that there were many here who thought Maroney was more talented and had better production than BJGE, and those facts are still true. Sadly, Maroney's inability to learn and utilize those talents resulted in his getting traded.

He is similar to Chad Jackson in that way (though of course Jackson was cut outright). Though Jackson was cut early on, and Aiken was retained, no one in his right mind would say that Aiken was more talented than Chad Jackson.

It is sad for both of them that such great talent go to waste. Their signing bonuses had been paid and were on rookie minimum contracts and still couldn't stick with the team even though the players replacing them had less talent. How sad it that. We use the term "over-achiever" often as a negative when describing a player, but that is so much better than an under-achiever.

If only we could get Maroney's talent into BJGE's body, or Chad Jackson's talent into Bam Childress. Or the other way around. BJGE/Bam's work ethic and coachability into Maroney/Jackson.

But such is life. I still say Maroney had way more talent than BJGE, and Chad Jackson way more than Sam Aiken. If only they could have gotten their heads on straight, what a difference they would have made the last few years.

FOr the rest, no one that I can see is hiding, whatever that even means, and as far as being ridiculed, well, for centuries jokers have been ridiculing their betters, who take no offense. I kind of look forward to your next thread.

I find it amusing that Maroney lovers who were almost mocking members in here about anyone saying that BJGE was better for the team suddenly shuts up when Belichick followed suit and made the CORRECT move.

Easy to hide in here knowing you were wrong is apparently as easy to ridicule

 

[spacecrime]

See, you are confusing things. You seem to think that if BB kept one player and traded another, it means the player traded was not as talented at the player kept. By that rationale, Mike Wright is a better DE than Richard Seymour, and Pierre Woods a better OLB than Mike Vrabel.

There are a number of reasons Maroney was traded and BJGE kept on the team. Talent was not one.

I like BJGE. I love the way he pounds it out. I hope he gets better and better and becomes a stable back. But your argument that he is better because Maroney got traded just doesn't hold water.

Don't be so proud of yourself. It wasn't a lack of guts that caused no one to respond to your earlier thread. It was a lack of respect.

It was not you PJ but if you go back to those threads you could see a few know it alls in here pounding away at those members that felt BJGE was a better player

They ridiculed,put down and embarrassed those who realized Maroney was in fact a bust and a wasted #1 pick and thought it was ridiculous to even assume an UDFA could overtake mr draft bust on the depth chart

They were wrong and after it all happened they ran under the couch like scared mice after their god belichick admitted enough was enough with a player that had not shown improvement year after year

I called them out on it after Maroney was sent packing but little responded,no guts I guess.

The fact is it's not even me who posted BJGE was a better back,I am still not really high on him yet but I was more looking for a trade 2 years ago for lomo

 

[PatsChamp88]

Can't argue with any of that. Sure seems to me that BJGE is a better fit for the Pats than Maroney. The pity to me is that I think Maroney could be potentially better in a different system.

Fixed it for ya

 

[patsinthesnow]

I guess I'll post it here. What's the status on Fred Taylor? Is he going to be out?

Whether Taylor can play or not, I would start BJGE.

 

[WelshPat]

He is similar to Chad Jackson in that way (though of course Jackson was cut outright). Though Jackson was cut early on, and Aiken was retained, no one in his right mind would say that Aiken was more talented than Chad Jackson.

If only we could get Maroney's talent into BJGE's body, or Chad Jackson's talent into Bam Childress. Or the other way around. BJGE/Bam's work ethic and coachability into Maroney/Jackson.

The talent level of Aiken and Jackson is a lot closer than you make it sound like. Chad Jacksons #1 problem was that when the pads went on, the speed hit 0. He had no speed, no quickness, and his hands were pretty average. Thats a lack of talent. Sure, he was childish, but he couldn't play.

Maroney lost something since his 06 season. His burst has gone. I will say more of his problems are upstairs, i think he loses confidence quickly and isn't the most intelligent of runners. But, staying healthy is a talent, and he couldn't do it.

 

[ahmed]

I never thought he would be good enough to be a starter or play a significant number of downs. However, he showed some good things over the last couple games and pleasantly surprised me. I hope he will continue to improve.

 

[Patspsycho]

I guess I'll post it here. What's the status on Fred Taylor? Is he going to be out?

Whether Taylor can play or not, I would start BJGE.

He continues to be out which I think means he will be a gametime decision.

 

[JSn]

He continues to be out which I think means he will be a gametime decision.

If it's iffy, I hope they let him rest it through the bye week. We've got horses enough to run Monday night.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

See, you are confusing things. You seem to think that if BB kept one player and traded another, it means the player traded was not as talented at the player kept. By that rationale, Mike Wright is a better DE than Richard Seymour, and Pierre Woods a better OLB than Mike Vrabel.

There are a number of reasons Maroney was traded and BJGE kept on the team. Talent was not one.

I like BJGE. I love the way he pounds it out. I hope he gets better and better and becomes a stable back. But your argument that he is better because Maroney got traded just doesn't hold water.

Don't be so proud of yourself. It wasn't a lack of guts that caused no one to respond to your earlier thread. It was a lack of respect.

Admit you were wrong,have been wrong ,its a shame you were embarrassed by Belichick finally giving up and you losing your binky....
you were W-R-O-N-G and you obviously can't accept the fact your prognosis on Maroney F-A-I-L-E-D like his career is at this point.
BJGE is still here and Maroney is still screwing up by missing a short run for a TD last week for Denver on the Goaline which once again was ruined by his dancin...end of story.....bye bye

 

[JoeSixPat]

Herald: BJGE just getting started

Let's hope they don't have to issue another retraction.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I find it amusing that Maroney lovers who were almost mocking members in here about anyone saying that BJGE was better for the team suddenly shuts up when Belichick followed suit and made the CORRECT move.

Easy to hide in here knowing you were wrong is apparently as easy to ridicule

Depending on how harsh they were against BJGE and supportive of Maroney I agree there's some irony

But as one who picked BJGE to make the team as a rookie (few were in his camp back then) AND one who acknowledged that, in previous years, if Belichick thought BJGE were better than Maroney, Belichick would have been starting BJGE ahead of Maroney...

... and one who couldn't ignore Maroney's decent 4.2 - 4.5 ypc during his time here, I was supportive of BOTH players and agreed with Belichick that Maroney earned the starts over BJGE - until this year.

Clearly, as evidenced by his drop in the depth chart here and anemic play in Denver, something's not right with Maroney... he's lost a big step through wear and tear or lack of personal conditioning.

BJGE earned his higher spot on the depth chart this year... last year he was where he deserved to be (at least in the eyes of Belichick.)

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

Depending on how harsh they were against BJGE and supportive of Maroney I agree there's some irony

But as one who picked BJGE to make the team as a rookie (few were in his camp back then) AND one who acknowledged that, in previous years, if Belichick thought BJGE were better than Maroney, Belichick would have been starting BJGE ahead of Maroney...

... and one who couldn't ignore Maroney's decent 4.2 - 4.5 ypc during his time here, I was supportive of BOTH players and agreed with Belichick that Maroney earned the starts over BJGE - until this year.

Clearly, as evidenced by his drop in the depth chart here and anemic play in Denver, something's not right with Maroney... he's lost a big step through wear and tear or lack of personal conditioning.

BJGE earned his higher spot on the depth chart this year... last year he was where he deserved to be (at least in the eyes of Belichick.)

When I called them out in here on the issue they ran away like little little girls and avoided the fact that Maroney was a waste of Roster space for 4 years,Belichick was too stubborn to cut the guy a year ago....aside from maybe 3 games that he was healthy in, he was never a factor in a win and for a first round pick to be irrelevant in games equals a BUST,Was there ever a great team we played that Maroney starred in that helped in victory?,I can't remember any.

Now I don't expect every 1st round to be a star but it seems this guy was being ball washed for being nothing for 3 years here and it really irritated me to nausea more so than if it were not such a big conversation,people made a big deal about him being young and he will find his way,well he is getting a year older every year and now 5 years later is irrelevant and now Denver's headache but still idiots think they are right.....

 

[JackBauer]

Admit you were wrong,have been wrong ,its a shame you were embarrassed by Belichick finally giving up and you losing your binky....
you were W-R-O-N-G and you obviously can't accept the fact your prognosis on Maroney F-A-I-L-E-D like his career is at this point.
BJGE is still here and Maroney is still screwing up by missing a short run for a TD last week for Denver on the Goaline which once again was ruined by his dancin...end of story.....bye bye

What are you, 12 years old?

 

[Dolfaniss]

Greetings from a Miami fan, BJGE may have success too. Miami's OLB'ers Misi and Wake are good in the passing game but struggle to set the edge so runs to the outside have been hurting Miami so far this year. They will play IAF who is better at it but the Pats like to run out of passing sets which should create better matchups. Factor in that Tim Dobbins will likely be playing for Channing Crowder, who isn't great but is much better than Dobbins, it spells successful running for NE.

Good luck.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

What are you, 12 years old?

No,your IQ and my age are not the same,I am higher than 12,thanks for asking though.....

 

[LetsGoPats36]

Take it easy on Maroney, guys. It's not his fault he is allergic to contact...



Make any excuse you want for Maroney. He was never physical enough to succeed in the NFL and once he started to take the hits an NFL RB has to, he crumbled. How do you only average 4.5 yards a carry in 2007 when every team was dropping 8 guys back 90% of the time???

Maroney might've had a hell of a career if he found a pro flag football league.

 

[patsinthesnow]

What are you, 12 years old?

Don't take shots at him. I know he might've said it a little over the top but you stated 100 times over before the season maroney was the franchise and BJGE sucked.

 

[wdkantro2]

BJGE after 3 weeks
31 carries
139 yards total
46.3 yards per game
4.5 yards per carry average
22 yards long
1 TD
0 fumbles


if he can get 20-25 carries a game (basically double what he does now) and maintain 4.5 YPC, it would lighten the load and therefore likely extend Fred T's career into the December and hopefully January time frame when running becomes even more important with bad weather.

Maybe that's a big if, maybe it's not. We'll see soon enough, I think.

Slow down. If he gets 20-25 carries a game and gets 4.5 YPC he'll rush for over 1400 yards this year. Do you really see that happening?