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So overall espn has Tedy Bruschi (Pats by 3), Eric Allen, Mike Golic, Chris Mortensen, their Accuscore simulator (23.8-23.4; Pats win 50.4% to 49.2%), the majority of their fans in their Pigskin pick'em game, their Madden game simulator (Pats 27-13), Herm Edwards, Keyshawn Johnson, Cris Carter and Tom Jackson going with the Pats to win. Those going with Miami are Mike Reiss (Pats 27-24), Merill Hoge, Adam Schefter, Mark Schlereth, Adam Wickersham, and Mike Ditka. That's 11 for the Pats and six for Miami; I'm somewhat surprised because I figured it would be about 50-50, maybe even slightly in favor of Miami at home rather than more than 2:1 going with the Pats on the road.


New England Patriots vs. Miami Dolphins - Preview - October 04, 2010 - ESPN

Thanks for the summary; you saved me some time.

(i think Reiss picked against us though)
 
This is a tough one. If our D hadn't spooked me last week, I'd be picking the Pats by a TD but now I don't know what to do. Definitely gonna be a last minute "Pick the Score" play for me this week.
 
considering how everyone picked the pats to beat the jets ,this is a little more divided if not surprising # of people picking the pats
 
Yeah, I said that in another thread. Just absolutely ******ed. You're a power running team with the offensive line and running game to shove it down the defense's throat... and you throw it four straight times from the 2? Now THAT'S bad play calling. New England fans railing against O'Brien should take note.

they also threw a deep ball on 3rd and 1 or 3rd and 2 which ended up being a punt. iam hoping they make those dumb calls again on monday.
 
Some views from The Sporting News:

  • Dolphins 27, Pats 24 -- Vinnie Iyer
  • Dolphins 31, Pats 23 -- Steve Greenburg
  • Pats 23, Dolphins 21 -- Clifton Brown
  • Dolphins 33, Pats 31 -- Todd Wright
  • Pats 28, Dolphins 24 -- Real Scouts
  • Dolphins 35, Pats 31 -- Russ Lande
  • Dolphins 20, Pats 17 -- Dennis Dillon

NFL Football Picks - Sporting News


Vinnie Iyer/Sporting News said:
The Dolphins will exploit New England's pass defense early with Brandon Marshall, and then run often late to play keep-away from Tom Brady. Dolphins 27, Patriots 24

NFL Week 4 picks: Come a-runnin' - NFL - Sporting News
 
CHFF is going with the Dolphins by 4

Cold, Hard Football Facts.com: Week 4 real and spectacular picks

Miami has been a traditional house of horrors for New England, even as the Patriots have dominated the division over the past decade. In 2004, the Patriots were marching to their second consecutive 14-2 season and second consecutive Super Bowl victory, but lost in Miami to the 4-12 Dolphins. In 2006, a 12-4 Patriots team that played for the AFC title suffered its worst loss, 21-0, in Miami against a Dolphins team that went 6-10.

Miami’s defense was on fire for the first two weeks of the season but was pushed around by the Jets to the tune of 31 points in Week 3. Miami sits right in the middle of nearly all of our Quality Stats, ranking from No. 11 to No. 15 in six of our seven categories (they’re No. 21 in Scoreability).

The Patriots, meanwhile, have successfully completed their transition into the 2004 Colts. Their offense, backed by the NFL’s top-ranked Offensive Hogs, has been excellent, leading the NFL with 30.0 PPG; and Tom Brady has an excellent 109.1 passer rating.

The New England defense, however, is a nightmare: No. 30 on our Defensive Hog Index and No. 28 in Defensive Passer Rating; and they’ve allowed a shameful 27.33 PPG and come fresh off a week in which the anemic Buffalo offense hung 30 points on them in Foxboro.

We cannot envision this New England defense doing enough to prevent another Patriots flop in the Miami heat and humidity.

Miami 31, New England 27
 
After heavily backing the Pats early this season, Walter Football now considers the Pats as being over rated.

WalterFootball.com: Week 4 NFL Picks

New England Patriots - New England's defense is garbage. And Randy Moss is clearly not the same guy who dominated in 2007. Why is this team still being favored on the road against quality opponents?



Not surprised to see that after losing money on a team two straight weeks (once very heavily), he is now putting his money on the other team.

WalterFootball.com: NFL Picks Against the Spread - Week 4, 2010

NEW ENGLAND OFFENSE: Plain and simple, the Patriots shouldn't have problems scoring. The Dolphins are eighth versus the pass, but that figure is skewed because of Ryan Fitzpatrick in Week 1 and a Percy Harvin-less Brett Favre in Week 2. Mark Sanchez sliced and diced Miami's secondary on Sunday night. Tom Brady shouldn't have any issues moving the chains all evening.

I will say this though - I don't think Randy Moss is nearly the same guy we saw dominate back in 2007. He has just nine receptions in three games. Yes, he caught two touchdowns last week to make his fantasy owners happy (including my opponent in my touchdown league - ARGH), but those were his only two catches.

Credit Brady though for moving away from Moss and concentrating more on feeding his new targets. This includes rookie tight end Aaron Hernandez, who has already established himself as a dynamic threat. The Dolphins had major problems stopping Dustin Keller last week, and will have similar issues with Hernandez.

MIAMI OFFENSE: New England's defense is terrible. The Patriots are getting run over (26th) and torched through the air (23th). Ryan Fitzpatrick made Bills fans forget about Jim Kelly last week. OK, maybe not.

Like New England, Miami won't have any trouble scoring. Ronnie Brown will finally be able to put together a dominant performance, setting up play-action and short-yardage opportunities for Chad Henne.

Henne had a great game last week, going 26-of-44 for 363 yards, two touchdowns and an interception. Darrelle Revis was out of the lineup and that helped, but it's not like the Patriots have anyone to contain Henne, Brandon Marshall and the rest of the Dolphin receivers.

RECAP: Most of the public is betting New England, thinking that the Patriots are a lock since all Brady has to do is win.

I feel this is a mistake. Miami is Brady's house of horrors. Brady is just 3-5 against the spread at the Dolphins. Let's dissect those three spread victories:

1. 2003: Patriots 19, Dolphins 13. Miami dominated this contest, but botched two field goals off the dirt (one at the end of regulation, one in overtime). Brady hit Troy Brown on an 82-yard game-winning touchdown on the next play after the missed kick by Olindo Mare. This was a special New England team that went on to win the Super Bowl and didn't even lose until Halloween 2004.

2. 2005: Patriots 23, Dolphins 16. This Miami team lost at Cleveland the following week, 22-0. They were 3-7 after 11 weeks.

3. 2007: Patriots 49, Dolphins 28. The Patriots were undefeated this season. The Dolphins went 1-15.


So, the only times New England has covered at Miami is when the Dolphins were terrible and/or the Patriots were special. This Dolphins squad obviously doesn't stink, and this version of the Patriots clearly isn't special.
 
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The Miami Herald's Greg Cote has the Dolphins winning by four.

Greg Cote's Week 4 NFL selections - Greg Cote - MiamiHerald.com

Cote's pick: MIA 31-27
Monday. Patriots. Tom Brady. Last week's Jets game was huge, but this one might be bigger. It's our Game of the Week first-alternate and marks the first time since 2004 that Miami has hosted consecutive prime-timers. Brady has the savvy and quick release to offset Miami's pass-rush edge and has the weapons (Randy Moss, Wes Welker, dangerous tight ends) to wreak havoc here. But here's the thing: Pats' defense isn't what it was. The Ronnie 'n Ricky Show should be able to own the clock and keep Brady off the field. And if NE devotes too much manpower to stopping the run, well, then it's Chad Henne and Brandon Marshall victimizing a young, beatable Pats' secondary. Upset! Sort of.
 
Another SE FL newspaper is concerned about the Pats' tight ends.

The Miami Dolphins plan to become more physical with opposing tight ends, disrupting them at the line of scrimmage. - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Yeremiah Bell knows the reason tight end Dustin Keller embarrassed him and the Miami Dolphins' defense, scoring two first-half touchdowns while he was in coverage during last Sunday's loss to the New York Jets.

On the first score, the Jets isolated Keller on the Pro Bowl safety, getting him out on the boundary by himself, and Bell slipped while in coverage, falling inside the end zone, allowing the 24-yard touchdown.

On the second score, the Jets picked up on something their staff scouted in the Dolphins' earlier win over Minnesota and exploited it, getting Keller to beat a double-team by threading the pass past linebacker Bobby Carpenter's outstretched arm for a 12-yard touchdown.

"They pegged us for it," Bell said. "That was something they had to get from Minnesota to run it exactly like that, to know to throw it on the line and not in the air."

It wasn't just the Jets that pegged the Dolphins as a team struggling to defend the tight end. That's been this defense's Achilles' heel for two-plus seasons.

Last year, Falcons tight end Tony Gonzalez had 73 yards and one touchdown on five receptions. Indianapolis' Dallas Clark abused the Dolphins for 183 and scored once off seven catches, and San Diego's Antonio Gates caught five passes for 63 yards.

Let's not even get into the damage Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow Jr. did.

Last week, Keller caught six passes for 98 yards and two touchdowns, and the week before Minnesota tight end Visanthe Shiancoe caught six passes for 86 yards.

So, the problem clearly wasn't personnel, considering the Dolphins dumped former starters Gibril Wilson and Akin Ayodele, who were blamed for last season's tight end struggles.

Bell said the Dolphins have pinpointed the source of their tight end issues, and it's the fact they allow too many of them to get clean releases off the line of scrimmage.
 
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I have one word for you: bet-the-over.
 
I have one word for you: bet-the-over.

I've been thinking the same thing, except that it is so obvious I feel like I'm being set up.
What am I overlooking?
 
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I've been thinking the same thing, except that it is so obvious I feel like I'm being set up.
What am I overlooking?

You may be overlooking that if I say "bet-the-over", it will definitely be a 9 to 7 game.
 
You may be overlooking that if I say "bet-the-over", it will definitely be a 9 to 7 game.
Well, regardless of who won, that score would certainly create a long list of interesting threads on Tuesday morning.
 
More from the Sun-Sentinel: Here's a look at some of the key matchups for Monday night's game between the Miami Dolphins and New England Patriots - South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

Matchup Dolphins should exploit: Few cornerbacks have the size and physicality needed to match up against Brandon Marshall, and second-year cornerback Darius Butler certainly isn't in that group. Butler, a product of Coral Springs Charter, is 5 feet 10, 183 pounds and doesn't possess the experience needed to do combat with Marshall, who is coming off a 10-catch, 166-yard, one-touchdown performance against the Jets. Last week the Patriots replaced Butler with Kyle Arrington, a former practice squad member. No matter who defends Marshall he shouldn't have problems getting open unless he's double covered.

Matchup that should concern Dolphins: Randy Moss is a nightmare for any cornerback considering his career average is 15.6 yards per reception. Moss, who is working toward his 11th 1,000-yard receiving season in his 13 years, has scored 10 touchdowns in the nine game he's played Miami. Veteran cornerback Jason Allen has been the victim on many of those scores. And considering Allen struggled defending Braylon Edwards on Sunday against the Jets, it might be beneficial to have Vontae Davis shadow Moss, a long strider who has a knack for bringing in the deep ball.
 
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