PatsCast Episode 21 (follow-up with Jay Shields re: week 2)

[BradyFTW!]

Can be found at PatsCast Episode 21 (with Jay Shields)

This week, we wanted to take some time to go back over episode 20 and explain the conclusions that we reached re: what happened at the end of the Jets game. This leads to a far more detailed explanation of why we feel that the Patriots’ offense was both out-strategized and out-executed by Rex Ryan’s defense.

 

[Brady2Welker]

Jay, you are the man. Love the analysis.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Jay, you are the man. Love the analysis.

Definitely makes putting a podcast together easy; I don't have to actually do anything, hahaha.

 

[jays52]

Thanks man, it's an interesting topic and one I wanted to be sure I had a firm handle on before saying anything further.

 

[JackBauer]

Alright. I'm going to give this a listen.

 

[JackBauer]

Shedding some light on adjustments vs. execution

 

[Patspsycho]

any luck with the transcript? I can't listen to the podcast.

 

[BradyFTW!]

any luck with the transcript? I can't listen to the podcast.

I've been looking, but I haven't found any software that fits what I'm looking for yet; would anyone here happen to be experienced in transcription and have a recommendation on how to do this, preferably in a time-efficient way?

 

[Oswlek]

Nice listen. I'm about halfway through and I've taken a lot from this one.

I do want to contest one thing. I'm sure some arrogance was involved in SB42, but personnel was a big part of it. After losing Kyle Brady, NE was down to one active TE, Watson who is a poor blocker. Faulk got hurt which left the team to rely on the stable of Maroney/Evans/Eckel to be their backfield blocker/receiver. The final nail in the coffin was Neal going down. Without those three players, they didn't have the players to run a well equipped max protect set.

The funny thing is, even after all of this, NE still would have scored plenty except that Brady's mobility was virtually eliminated because he was playing on a broken ankle. Over on PatriotsPlanet, a member put up some screen shots illustrating how Brady was unable to slide to protected areas, leading to NY hits/sacks. It completely screwed with the OL's normal blocking angles.

It really was a perfect storm for NY. If arrogance was involved, it was in the choice to activate only two TEs. I'd wager that BB puts that decision up there with the biggest mistakes of his career.

 

[Deus Irae]

I love Jay's stuff. He's still wrong on the adjustment claim, though, but I'll leave it at that.

 

[JackBauer]

How is anyone supposed to respond to that?

 

[Deus Irae]

How is anyone supposed to respond to that?

Just noting my response to the new podcast. If I post more, I get complaints about that too. Here's a little bit, though, so you have something to bash, although I won't follow it up:

When someone blaming the playcalling has to say "well, he really got open, and the problem was execution, but the playcalling....", that should tell you that the person is not evaluating from an objective position. Jay's great, but he was coming from a position of defending himself instead of re-evaluating objectively, and he got it wrong again.


There, now fire away and have a great day!

 

[Oswlek]

Just noting my response to the new podcast. If I post more, I get complaints about that too. Here's a little bit, though, so you have something to bash, although I won't follow it up:

When someone blaming the playcalling has to say "well, he really got open, and the problem was execution, but the playcalling....", that should tell you that the person is not evaluating from an objective position. Jay's great, but he was coming from a position of defending himself instead of re-evaluating objectively, and he got it wrong again.


There, now fire away and have a great day!

I thought it was pretty clear he placed all the blame on Brady on that one, and put the running issues (zone and not enough) on BoB. :confused2:

 

[JackBauer]

That's pretty much the response I expected. So I'll respond in similar fashion by saying, quite frankly, I don't know what podcast you listened to.

Likewise, enjoy the rest of your day.

 

[Deus Irae]

I thought it was pretty clear he placed all the blame on Brady on that one, and put the running issues (zone and not enough) on BoB. :confused2:

I'm trying to get out of this with just the observation. But, since it's you....


He was using the "B" word there (but), which was a bad choice. To take it out of football and still avoid politics, it's like saying "Yeah, she was naked and begging me to have sex with her, and the sex was spectacular, but I would have had a real chance to score with her if I'd only used a better pickup line. It boils down to what I've said from the beginning: disagreement with the playcalling does not automatically mean that the playcalling was bad.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's pretty much the response I expected. So I'll respond in similar fashion by saying, quite frankly, I don't know what podcast you listened to.

Likewise, enjoy the rest of your day.

Oswlek seems to know.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I love Jay's stuff. He's still wrong on the adjustment claim, though, but I'll leave it at that.

Fair enough- it's clear where everyone stands on this issue, and unless you have specific points that counter Jay's observations, it's best to just let it stand where it is.

 

[emoney_33]

How is anyone supposed to respond to that?

The kid's hubris is incredible lol

 

[BradyFTW!]

Just noting my response to the new podcast. If I post more, I get complaints about that too. Here's a little bit, though, so you have something to bash, although I won't follow it up:

When someone blaming the playcalling has to say "well, he really got open, and the problem was execution, but the playcalling....", that should tell you that the person is not evaluating from an objective position. Jay's great, but he was coming from a position of defending himself instead of re-evaluating objectively, and he got it wrong again.


There, now fire away and have a great day!

What he said was entirely consistent with the first podcast. Nobody ever claimed that there were no execution lapses. There's no such thing as perfect execution. We simply pointed out that playcalling, specifically lack of adjustments, played a critical role in the Jets' second-half defensive dominance. Pointing out examples where execution was to blame does not invalidate criticism of playcalling. It was a false dichotomy from the get-go.

 

[JackBauer]

Oswlek seems to know.

Oswlek cited the same issues that Jay raised in the podcast. I've yet to see you refute them, other than generalities and vague assertions like "if you disagree with the playcalling, that doesn't mean the playcalling was bad." That wasn't even his point, and to be honest, that's a very superficial reading of the analysis Jay laid out.

So far, this is actually somewhat similar to how things went in the Connolly thread.