Top 100 players of all time: Randy Moss

[BradysBunch12]

If any quarterback not named Montana is over Brady, namely Goober, it would be a joke. Somehow I suspect they'll put Goober over him.

 

[sebman2112]

Having watched Randy's entire NFL career, as I'm sure many other members of this forum have, I'd say he should be much higher than 65th. In his prime, Randy was the ultimate weapon, and could burst past every DB in the league.

 

[Bostonian1962]

All of the Patriots that were on the list, haven't come up yet. That's good news, because we want to see them as close to Number 1 as possible.

 

[RhodyPatriot]

Randy Moss is under appreciated in New England. He gets ripped by national and Boston media far more than he deserves. He's been one of the team's hardest workers and producers since he's been here.

He's on the verge of breaking or tying some huge all-time records, and it's not really getting the attention or recognition or appreciation he should be receiving.

Who gives a rats a&^?
Mossy didn't set any reception records last Sunday did he??

 

[PatsSox363804]

Am I the only one that thought that both of those passes into double coverage against the Dolphins get picked if they happen today? 2007 was awesome but they really need to stop trying to recapture it with passes like that, as we saw this past Sunday.

 

[dryheat44]

But the list goes back to the early days, Ernie Nevers was on it.
Clearly Moss at 65 isnt going to be the #2 WR, but I dont think his contemporaries are the ones ahead of him.
Don Hutson
Ray Berry
Steve Largent
Jerry Rice

would put 5 WRs in the top 65 in a 75 year old league where WRs were secondary stars for the first 50.
Sounds about right. Assume half are O half are D.
That leaves 32 on O ahead of Moss.

Exactly. The NFL didn't begin in 1984, and the top receivers of all time aren't Rice, Moss, Owens, Harrison, Irvin, Tim Brown, Cris Carter, Torry Holt, Chad Johnson, etc.

Raymond Berry and Don Hutson will certainly be there. Lance Alworth possibly. Harold Carmichael. Largent. Fred Biletnikoff, Paul Warfield, Don Maynard, Bob Hayes....

The game has changed to a more passing one, but that doesn't mean the old guys were all worse than the new guys.

 

[WelshPat]

I hate lists like these exactly because of all those old players named in the last post. How many people have seen them play? How do we know how great they are?

I've seen a lot of people say that Lynn Swan is over rated for example. Unless you saw him, how do you know? In his highlights, he looks great.

But you just know that the top 10 is going to full of old time players, like #1 will probably be **** Butkus just because of the mystique, even though there have been more complete LBs (Ditkus couldn't cover, for example). Yet, just to show how inconsistant a lot of people are in these things, they will point to superbowl rings as a stat, yet Butkus will finish highly yet he was never on a team with a winning record. Or they will go with someone like Red Grange, sigh.

Trust me, if you had Randy Moss or Steve Largent for say, 2 months and were asked to pick a player, everyone would pick Moss.

 

[Sivy]

Rice is the best of all time!!The guy wasnt the fastest but he ran crisp routes and always played big in big games.I love Moss but its about determination with him.

I know there is a lot of "ifs" in the game..but IF Moss and Brady played together since jump, Rice and Manning wouldnt even be in the disscussion.

 

[dryheat44]

Trust me, if you had Randy Moss or Steve Largent for say, 2 months and were asked to pick a player, everyone would pick Moss.

Of course they would. Many here likely have never seen Largent play, and of course he's white, so he gets the melanin-free discount too. Personally, I think Moss is clearly #2 ever, but the other guys are in the conversation.

When Largent was playing, he was pretty much the consensus #2/3 WR in the league...for virtually his entire career. He played like a better Cris Carter...he could always get open, and his hands were outstanding. Except he was as good in between the 10s as he was in the goal-line area, and he was always his team's #1 threat. Teams would design their game plan around him, but they still couldn't stop him. When he retired he held every major NFL receiving record. In 1996 when the Sporting News did a top 100 of all time, he was ranked in the top 50.

It's not unlike the conversations I have with younger co-workers, who think the greatest CDs of all time all come from the Puff Daddy/Britney Spears/50 Cent/Eminem/Lady Gaga/Kelly Clarkson era.

I mentioned that I saw a Rush show last weekend and a grand total of 0 knew whom I was referring to.

 

[Sivy]

Of course they would. Many here likely have never seen Largent play, and of course he's white, so he gets the melanin-free discount too. Personally, I think Moss is clearly #2 ever, but the other guys are in the conversation.

When Largent was playing, he was pretty much the consensus #2/3 WR in the league...for virtually his entire career. He played like a better Cris Carter...he could always get open, and his hands were outstanding. Except he was as good in between the 10s as he was in the goal-line area, and he was always his team's #1 threat. Teams would design their game plan around him, but they still couldn't stop him. When he retired he held every major NFL receiving record. In 1996 when the Sporting News did a top 100 of all time, he was ranked in the top 50.

It's not unlike the conversations I have with younger co-workers, who think the greatest CDs of all time all come from the Puff Daddy/Britney Spears/50 Cent/Eminem/Lady Gaga/Kelly Clarkson era.

I mentioned that I saw a Rush show last weekend and a grand total of 0 knew whom I was referring to.

Just because things are old, does not mean they are the greatest of all time.

 

[dryheat44]

Just because things are old, does not mean they are the greatest of all time.

It doesn't mean they're not either. It's kind of a silly statement. Just because things are new, does not mean they are the greatest of all time. I'm not here arguing that Babe Parilli was a better QB than Tom Brady, My 3 Sons was a better TV show than the Simpsons, Martha Washington was hotter than Sophia Bush, or Sodom was a better place to live than San Diego.

Rice is the best WR of all time, and there's really not a cohesive argument to be made against. It's my opinion that he's the best football player of all time, regardless of position.

But when someone wonders which receivers might be on the list ahead of him, and the list of candidates is Owens, Harrison, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter...well, let's say that it shows an unreasonable bias towards the current era.

 

[jimmyjames]

Loved watching Randall Cunnigham throw the ball in this video. God what a sling for an arm he had.

 

[wpdougie2180]

If any quarterback not named Montana is over Brady, namely Goober, it would be a joke. Somehow I suspect they'll put Goober over him.

They shouldn't since it would be a contradiction of there own list. Young and Aikman is similiar to Brady and Manning, Young won all the individual awards but always lost to Aikman except once when he finally won his 1 Super Bowl but Aikman was ranked higher since he won 3 Super Bowls although Young numbers was always better. Sounds familiar doesn't it?

 

[Sivy]

It doesn't mean they're not either. It's kind of a silly statement. Just because things are new, does not mean they are the greatest of all time. I'm not here arguing that Babe Parilli was a better QB than Tom Brady, My 3 Sons was a better TV show than the Simpsons, Martha Washington was hotter than Sophia Bush, or Sodom was a better place to live than San Diego.

Rice is the best WR of all time, and there's really not a cohesive argument to be made against. It's my opinion that he's the best football player of all time, regardless of position.

But when someone wonders which receivers might be on the list ahead of him, and the list of candidates is Owens, Harrison, Tim Brown, and Chris Carter...well, let's say that it shows an unreasonable bias towards the current era.

I wasnt saying if something is new its the best ever..I'm just saying that anything can step in and take over as "best ever" at any time.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

If any quarterback not named Montana is over Brady, namely Goober, it would be a joke. Somehow I suspect they'll put Goober over him.

It's rarefied air, but Otto Graham, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Johnny Unitas and Dan Marino might want to be part of that discussion.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Having watched Randy's entire NFL career, as I'm sure many other members of this forum have, I'd say he should be much higher than 65th. In his prime, Randy was the ultimate weapon, and could burst past every DB in the league.

Yeah, but he'll always be held back, in the opinion of some, by taking a two year vacation in Oakland and, to a lesser extent, for some of his attitude.

 

[Modest]

Who gives a rats a&^?
Mossy didn't set any reception records last Sunday did he??

You know its attitudes like this this that would make a Bills or Raiders like season quite...interesting to say the least.

 

[Pats Fanatic]

Actually I'm more interested were John Hannah is on the list, a Patriot for all of his career.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It doesn't mean they're not either. It's kind of a silly statement. Just because things are new, does not mean they are the greatest of all time. I'm not here arguing that Babe Parilli was a better QB than Tom Brady, My 3 Sons was a better TV show than the Simpsons, Martha Washington was hotter than Sophia Bush, or Sodom was a better place to live than San Diego.

In the case of the NFL, there definitely is a general trend in that direction. Today's players tend to be bigger, faster, better trained, and more specialized than in past eras. I understand that some of these lists might wish to adjust for that, but by and large the game has just evolved.

 

[thechris]

Probably my favorite football player ever. It's too bad his catch against *****ass Revis wasn't in the highlight reel.