Should we have drafted Clay Matthews last year

[51Hits]

While rumors circulated about Matthews and steroids, it was a fact that Aaron Hernandez is a pothead. That didn't stop us from drafting him.

This. And yes, yes, I know weed activist, steroids = 10x worse than Weed. But both can get your ass thrown out of this league. It's just another one on the long list of guys that got away. I remember being one of those who would ***** to the high heavens (moreso over at KFFL) about missing this LB, or that one and that garbage "fit the system" excuse was rampant in those days, these days not so much.

Like other have said though, the pick that's slowly busting is Brandon Merriweather. Everyone was sooo high on him when he got his pro bowl spot as a reserve, but now the ugly truth is showing its head. Merriweather isn't bad, he's just out of position too much for someone whos been here so long. It's probably what's making him sit down. It sucks because this is another guy we were counting on and Sanders at SS chung at FS is not getting it done. We need a miracle it seems for Brandon to become the pro bowler people think he is.

 

[upstater1]

While rumors circulated about Matthews and steroids, it was a fact that Aaron Hernandez is a pothead. That didn't stop us from drafting him.

Oh my God, talk about horrid comparisons.

A guy off marijuana can perform just as well as he performed when he was ON marijuana.

A guy off steroids?

 

[51Hits]

Oh my God, talk about horrid comparisons.

A guy off marijuana can perform just as well as he performed when he was ON marijuana.

A guy off steroids?

I'll take a guy who gives me 3-4 years of dominance than is banned than a guy who is a good player than throws it away to get high. Again, like I said above both get you thrown out just as quick.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

While rumors circulated about Matthews and steroids, it was a fact that Aaron Hernandez is a pothead. That didn't stop us from drafting him.

The difference is that weed isn't performance enhancing.

 

[BadMoFo]

Oh my God, talk about horrid comparisons.

A guy off marijuana can perform just as well as he performed when he was ON marijuana.

A guy off steroids?

Because Matthews is on steroids. I mean that's 100 percent fact. His drug tests obviously prove that. Why else would he be suspended these first few games of the year instead of averaging three sacks a game.

 

[BadMoFo]

The difference is that weed isn't performance enhancing.

And yet another difference that one is rumor and one is fact. But, hey, who gives a **** about that, right guy.

 

[Off The Grid]

For all that have Forgoten Matthews had possible STEROID issues, Thats why we passed on him. Along with Maualuega and the other LB from USC Cushing.

Any chance of you and PatsPsycho getting together for a RockPaperScissors contest to determine which ONE of you gets Doctor StrangeGlove??

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And yet another difference that one is rumor and one is fact. But, hey, who gives a **** about that, right guy.

OTOH, from Patriots.com:

As for the off-field concerns pertaining to the failed test, even that doesn’t appear to be a huge worry. First, Hernandez did not test positive at the Combine, which means he will not begin his professional career in the NFL’s substance abuse program. More importantly, Hernandez and his college coach, Urban Meyer, claim the marijuana use began in the aftermath of his father’s sudden death in 2006.

Hernandez was extremely close to his father, Dennis, and was shattered when he died following a routine hernia operation at the age of 49. Hernandez was just 16 at the time and he became a difficult person to be around as he rebelled. It was his tight relationship with Meyer that he credits for returning him on his rightful path.

 

[reflexblue]

Any chance of you and PatsPsycho getting together for a RockPaperScissors contest to determine which ONE of you gets Doctor StrangeGlove??

I was first Mien Feurer

 

[BadMoFo]

OTOH, from Patriots.com:

So he didn't admit to being a pothead.

 

[Off The Grid]

My question is do you think we should have picked him as the obvious replacement for mike verbal?

Editor's Note: Anyone who can't spell The Great Mike Vrabel's name correctly is a CLUMP.

My question is: Do you think we should have picked him as the obvious replacement for Mike Vrabel?

2009 + 2010 say: Yeah, sure: That would've helped...though not enough to win a Super Bowl.

2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, and 2015 say: FUNK, no: Parlaying that SINGLE PICK for Butler, Tate, Edelman, AND Gronkowski was flat out EVIL, which filled out the remaining elements of our Depth of Talent, and enabled us to concentrate our Drafting FirePower, in 2011, on Robert Quinn, Marcel Dareus, and those other BEASTS...which completed the Dynasty of Dynasties, paving the way for our FIVE PEAT. :rocker: :rocker: :rocker:

 

[ctpatsfan77]

So he didn't admit to being a pothead.

*sigh*

He did admit to failing drug tests at Florida.

 

[upstater1]

Because Matthews is on steroids. I mean that's 100 percent fact. His drug tests obviously prove that. Why else would he be suspended these first few games of the year instead of averaging three sacks a game.

Who says you should DRAFT on 100% certainties?

When a player goes from 195 to 40, and his buddy right next to him does the same (and exhibits Gynecomastia and breakouts) then yu say, you know what, this might not be such a good idea.

We are talking FOOTBALL here are we not?

This isn't a court of law.

 

[JMarr]

Hell, I was rooting for them to take Matthews, Laurinitis, Connor, anybody the last few years. Hopefully if the opportunity's there to take the BC kid, they will. The fact is they've needed linebackers for awhile now.

I know, In Bill We Trust, but sometimes I wonder where his head is when it comes time to draft linebackers. What did he see in Spikes and the rest of these guys that isn't there in Matthews and Laurinitis and the rest?

I didn't want Matthews, but I agree with this. To me the fact that a guy who coached up the likes up Carson, LT, Banks and Pepper Johnson, all of who were THE lynchpins of one of the most dominating D's in NFL history, would seemingly neglect drafting LB's for so long now is just bizarre. (And I get it--he used high picks on Mayo, McKenzie, Spikes, Cunningham and Crabel--but it's too little, too late and clearly the OLB situation has not been adequately addressed.

Maybe it's just BB adapting to the new "Poilan rules" passing NFL and feeling like DBs and run-stuffing 3-4 linemen are more important to his defensive scheme, I don't pretend to know. I do know that unless Cunningham steps in THIS YEAR to be a force, we are screwed (yet again) at the LB position.

 

[BritPat]

Should we have drafted Matthews?

No.

Next.

 

[Rob0729]

First, Matthews is a stud in the Texans' defense. Would he be a stud in the Pats? Maybe he would even be better, but we don't know that. Both teams run very different defenses. It is too easy to look at another player who is a stud on another team and expect him to be a stud on your team. That is why so many big name free agents wash out if they sign with a new team.

Second, hindsight is 20-20. Today Matthews is arguably the best defender from that draft yet his was the 26th player taken, the 11th defensive player taken, and the 5th LB taken in that draft. So there were a lot of teams that whiffed on him. It is easy to say today that the Pats screwed up on him (and yes, I know a lot of people were high on him before the draft).

Yes, right now it looks like passing on Matthews was a mistake. But a lot of teams made that mistake. Do you think the Seahawks would rather have taken Matthews at #4 than Aaron Curry?

EDIT: Meant Green Bay not Houston for Matthews.

 

[BradyFTW!]

First, Matthews is a stud in the Texans' defense. Would he be a stud in the Pats? Maybe he would even be better, but we don't know that. Both teams run very different defenses. It is too easy to look at another player who is a stud on another team and expect him to be a stud on your team. That is why so many big name free agents wash out if they sign with a new team.

Second, hindsight is 20-20. Today Matthews is arguably the best defender from that draft yet his was the 26th player taken, the 11th defensive player taken, and the 5th LB taken in that draft. So there were a lot of teams that whiffed on him. It is easy to say today that the Pats screwed up on him (and yes, I know a lot of people were high on him before the draft).

Yes, right now it looks like passing on Matthews was a mistake. But a lot of teams made that mistake. Do you think the Seahawks would rather have taken Matthews at #4 than Aaron Curry?

Matthews plays for Green Bay; you're thinking of Cushing with the Texans.

 

[WhiteWesWelker88]

Seriously, should we have drafted Tom Brady???


real dumb

useless thread. You can't speculate this....... what is done is done. We have had awesome drafts (the last 3).

 

[WhiteWesWelker88]

First, Matthews is a stud in the Texans' defense. Would he be a stud in the Pats? Maybe he would even be better, but we don't know that. Both teams run very different defenses. It is too easy to look at another player who is a stud on another team and expect him to be a stud on your team. That is why so many big name free agents wash out if they sign with a new team.

Second, hindsight is 20-20. Today Matthews is arguably the best defender from that draft yet his was the 26th player taken, the 11th defensive player taken, and the 5th LB taken in that draft. So there were a lot of teams that whiffed on him. It is easy to say today that the Pats screwed up on him (and yes, I know a lot of people were high on him before the draft).

Yes, right now it looks like passing on Matthews was a mistake. But a lot of teams made that mistake. Do you think the Seahawks would rather have taken Matthews at #4 than Aaron Curry?

The Texans D is more complete..... if they were a notch lower would Mattews be as good.



you see how bogus this is?^^^:bricks:

 

[Rob0729]

Matthews plays for Green Bay; you're thinking of Cushing with the Texans.

Yeah, that is what I meant. I looked up the place he was drafted and I was looking at other LBs taken and I was looking at the Texans pick when I wrote this.

Point still stands. The Packers run a one gap 3-4 and the Pats run a two gap 3-4.