The Jets "physical" style of DB play

[BradyManny]

Let me preface this by saying I am not trying to make excuses.

Brady played awful. Moss was subpar. O'Brien turned into deer in headlights. The secondary was pathetic. We lost the game for all those reasons.

That said, and I have noticed it through two games now, it feels like the Jets DB's style of play is to commit blatant pass interference and illegal contact on every play and hope not to get called on them. Moss was interfered with on at least two key plays by Cromartie from what I saw, and neither was called. Revis gets away with muggings all day.

It seems that teams that play man, and have contact from the line of scrimmage throughout the whole route are much less likely to get called for illegal contact than a team playing soft zone, where much lesser - but more sudden - contact occurs past the 5 yard mark. Meaning, if Revis gets his hands on Moss at the LOS, the refs aren't going to call an illegal contact on him if he's still got his mitts on him 15 yards down the route. But if Butler is playing off and even gently gets a hand on a receiver running a go-route, that's a guaranteed flag.

 

[SuperPatsFan]

It seems that teams that play man, and have contact from the line of scrimmage throughout the whole route are much less likely to get called for illegal contact than a team playing soft zone, where much lesser - but more sudden - contact occurs past the 5 yard mark. Meaning, if Revis gets his hands on Moss at the LOS, the refs aren't going to call an illegal contact on him if he's still got his mitts on him 15 yards down the route. But if Butler is playing off and even gently gets a hand on a receiver running a go-route, that's a guaranteed flag.

Concur. You'd think BB would notice and mix in more tight man instead of the ol' "10-yard cushion."

 

[letekro]

I think the difference b/w the Jets and Patriots DBs yesterday was that the Jets DBs turned to look for the football while the Pats DBs didn't. Tough to make interceptions, or even a play on the ball, when you don't look for the ball. Ok, I'll bite, teams generally get away with more contact against Moss because of his physical dominance--call it the Shaq effect--but yesterday was not an egregious example. An egregious example would be in the Bmore game in 2007.

 

[mr3putt]

The Jets DB's demonstrated a mirror image of the Pre-Polian Rule Pats DB's
It is uncanny and clearly a tactic taught by Jet coaches.
Clutch and Grab DB play is back.
Not sure if we can get away with it but it's worth a try.

 

[Rob0729]

Let me preface this by saying I am not trying to make excuses.

Brady played awful. Moss was subpar. O'Brien turned into deer in headlights. The secondary was pathetic. We lost the game for all those reasons.

That said, and I have noticed it through two games now, it feels like the Jets DB's style of play is to commit blatant pass interference and illegal contact on every play and hope not to get called on them. Moss was interfered with on at least two key plays by Cromartie from what I saw, and neither was called. Revis gets away with muggings all day.

It seems that teams that play man, and have contact from the line of scrimmage throughout the whole route are much less likely to get called for illegal contact than a team playing soft zone, where much lesser - but more sudden - contact occurs past the 5 yard mark. Meaning, if Revis gets his hands on Moss at the LOS, the refs aren't going to call an illegal contact on him if he's still got his mitts on him 15 yards down the route. But if Butler is playing off and even gently gets a hand on a receiver running a go-route, that's a guaranteed flag.

I would agree with your theory if both Wilson and Cromartie didn't get flagged with multiple PI calls in their first game. Revis doesn't get PI calls because of the star system just like defenders tend to get roughing the passer calls more easily when hitting a Brady or Manning than they would if they did it to Sanchez or Henne. Stars get the calls or non-calls. Randy Moss gets away with a lot of offensive PI because of who he is too.

 

[BradyManny]

I would agree with your theory if both Wilson and Cromartie didn't get flagged with multiple PI calls in their first game. Revis doesn't get PI calls because of the star system just like defenders tend to get roughing the passer calls more easily when hitting a Brady or Manning than they would if they did it to Sanchez or Henne. Stars get the calls or non-calls. Randy Moss gets away with a lot of offensive PI because of who he is too.

Wilson and Cro got flagged with PIs, but likely could've been called for many more. It's the Detroit Pistons of the 90s theory - hack them all the time, know the refs will only call it some of the time.

 

[Nikolai]

Wilson and Cro got flagged with PIs, but likely could've been called for many more. It's the Detroit Pistons of the 90s theory - hack them all the time, know the refs will only call it some of the time.

Well, everyone knew the refs were going to put the whistles away for this game after what happened Monday night. Still, that kind of stuff can be overcome. It's no excuse for letting Sancheck look like Joe Montana.

 

[upstater1]

I think the difference b/w the Jets and Patriots DBs yesterday was that the Jets DBs turned to look for the football while the Pats DBs didn't. Tough to make interceptions, or even a play on the ball, when you don't look for the ball. Ok, I'll bite, teams generally get away with more contact against Moss because of his physical dominance--call it the Shaq effect--but yesterday was not an egregious example. An egregious example would be in the Bmore game in 2007.

How do you explain then Butler getting PI the first time? Eyes on the ball, perfect position, even knocked the ball down?

Or in the end zone on Edwards, right in front of Edwards, perfect position, jumps and Edwards pushes him out of the way?

I totally agree with the OP, but maybe just maybe this is what you should expect for away games in the NFL.

 

[letekro]

How do you explain then Butler getting PI the first time? Eyes on the ball, perfect position, even knocked the ball down?

Or in the end zone on Edwards, right in front of Edwards, perfect position, jumps and Edwards pushes him out of the way?

I totally agree with the OP, but maybe just maybe this is what you should expect for away games in the NFL.

The first time was the short ball that Edwards came back for--Butler didn't see that it was short. If he turned around the ball would've hit him in the chest. The 2 pt conversion is a counterexample, but there were 10 other examples where Butler and McCourty were more interested in watching the receivers then the ball.

 

[Sicilian]

The first time was the short ball that Edwards came back for--Butler didn't see that it was short. If he turned around the ball would've hit him in the chest. The 2 pt conversion is a counterexample, but there were 10 other examples where Butler and McCourty were more interested in watching the receivers then the ball.

Which is funny, because when a play is made, the announcers basically praise whichever method the DB used.

Looking for the ball = "Great play! Good coverage, looking back for the ball and making the play!"

Not looking for the ball = "Great play! Watching the receivers eyes and getting his hand in there!"

Announcers crack me up.

 

[upstater1]

The first time was the short ball that Edwards came back for--Butler didn't see that it was short. If he turned around the ball would've hit him in the chest. The 2 pt conversion is a counterexample, but there were 10 other examples where Butler and McCourty were more interested in watching the receivers then the ball.

Please watch the replay. Ball didn't hit him in the chest. He saw the ball come toward him for a couple seconds and knocked the ball down with his backhand. Are we watching the same game?