Would you make Hoyer QB3 on Sunday?

[brady199]

Really? Since Brady made the Patriots team, the team has played what - 16 or so playoff games? A couple huge regular season games (Dallas & Indy during the undefeated season), etc.etc.

I have never seen this strategy employed by belichick for any of the 20 aforementioned monster games that have come to basically come to represent the cornerstone of his legacy.

So for a random week 2 game against the Jets, he is supposed to do this? Do you think there is just one guy on the practice squad that is that good that the game might be lost if he is not in the game??????

I have an idea - if you need an extra roster spot to dress a player ,dont dress 4 running backs.......I'd rather go with just 3 opposed to going into the game with 1 QB.

No not just week 2, I would say keep doing it. And you wouldn't add a guy from the practice squad, it would be someone from the 53 Man Roster. You do know you are only allowed to activate 45 of them right? You seem a little confused? Also Just cuz BB has never done it, doesn't mean its not a good idea. There have been many brilliant innovations in the NFL since BB has been HC of the Pats, and I'm sorry to be the one to tell ya, but he didn't think of them all.

 

[unoriginal]

That would completely negate the purpose of the strategy, which is to have an extra player who would see action in the game. They could always have Price inactive and designate him as the 3rd QB.

If they designated Price as the emergency QB, not only could he not play at all until the 4th quarter, but he couldn't be on the field at the same time as Brady or Hoyer. So basically he'd be a fourth quarter special teams player.

If he was the backup QB behind Brady, he could play all game so long as Hoyer doesn't enter the game before the fourth quarter. If Hoyer entered in the fourth, Price would not be able to be on the field at the same time, i.e. he couldn't play WR in the fourth quarter.

That could be a decent idea. Once you develop your 44, decide who is your 45th and make him the 3rd QB. Could then use that man as fresh legs on special teams and rotation during the 4th quarter only. The guy would clearly not be a guy good enough to be a starter, but sometimes a not so good player that is rested is better than a starter who has been playing for 45 mins.

See above. Any WR designated as the emergency QB could only play special teams in the fourth quarter, he couldn't be part of the WR rotation.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If they designated Price as the emergency QB, not only could he not play at all until the 4th quarter, but he couldn't be on the field at the same time as Brady or Hoyer. So basically he'd be a fourth quarter special teams player.

See above. Any WR designated as the emergency QB could only play special teams in the fourth quarter, he couldn't be part of the WR rotation.

The rule about knocking out the first two QBs comes into play only if QB3 enters the game before the fourth quarter.

During the fourth quarter, QB3 can enter the game at any position, without knocking out QB1 and QB2.

 

[jbb9s]

No not just week 2, I would say keep doing it. And you wouldn't add a guy from the practice squad, it would be someone from the 53 Man Roster. You do know you are only allowed to activate 45 of them right? You seem a little confused? Also Just cuz BB has never done it, doesn't mean its not a good idea. There have been many brilliant innovations in the NFL since BB has been HC of the Pats, and I'm sorry to be the one to tell ya, but he didn't think of them all.

Find a field goal kicker that can punt. Find a center that can long snap.

2 better ideas to "save" the roster spot for a "46th" player that couldn't dress otherwsie.

 

[brady199]

Find a field goal kicker that can punt. Find a center that can long snap.

2 better ideas to "save" the roster spot for a "46th" player that couldn't dress otherwsie.

Finding a field goal kicker that can punt would be rediculous unless he was great at both, which for some reason, I've never seen one yet. Finding a Center (as long as he's good) who can long snap, would work if such a player was available, but since neither of those are options and this is, go with this.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I think people get too wrapped in the bottom of the roster. If TB goes down, the Patriots are screwed, and they are in the same boat as about 20 NFL teams. Does it really matter that much who the 53rd player is, or whether they carry two QBs, or whether there are 4 or 5 running backs? This game will be decided by, in order, the best players, the good players, the average players, the below average players, and the roster bubble players.

 

[unoriginal]

The rule about knocking out the first two QBs comes into play only if QB3 enters the game before the fourth quarter.

During the fourth quarter, QB3 can enter the game at any position, without knocking out QB1 and QB2.

Not exactly:

Other features of the third quarterback rule, which could hamper Reid’s designation of Vick on a week-to-week basis:

1) The two quarterbacks on the 45-player active list must be bona fide quarterbacks: a club is not permitted to designate as one of its two quarterbacks a player whose primary position is not quarterback.

2) It is not necessary that the club’s first two quarterbacks be injured in order for the third quarterback to participate; his participation is purely a coaching decision. Likewise, if the third quarterback initially enters the game during the fourth period or an overtime period, the permissible return of either of the club’s other two quarterbacks is purely a coaching decision.

3) Under no circumstances can the third quarterback participate in the game at the same time as either of the club’s other two quarterbacks.

source: Vick and the 'Third Quarterback' Rule - NYTimes.com

 

[unoriginal]

And it seems from point one in the link I posted that, as many have suspected, having a QB eligible number is not enough to get a QB designation. So actually Price is out, and Edelman is probably out as well as unless the Pats go through the qualifications process to get him a QB/WR designation (no idea what those are).

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I think people get too wrapped in the bottom of the roster. If TB goes down, the Patriots are screwed, and they are in the same boat as about 20 NFL teams. Does it really matter that much who the 53rd player is, or whether they carry two QBs, or whether there are 4 or 5 running backs? This game will be decided by, in order, the best players, the good players, the average players, the below average players, and the roster bubble players.

"You are absolutely right. If Tom Brady was to go down this team would be totally screwed. Lucky to win 6 games in the season. Those folks who think that our backup QB could lead this team to 10 or more wins and be fighting for a playoff spot 'til the end of the season are just blind homers with no clue or touch with reality."

[preseason 2008]

 

[Simkin]

Finding a field goal kicker that can punt would be rediculous unless he was great at both, which for some reason, I've never seen one yet. Finding a Center (as long as he's good) who can long snap, would work if such a player was available, but since neither of those are options and this is, go with this.

There are a lot of players who can Kick and punt, for example McAfee, Colts, is better kicking than punting and is listed as P . The issue is injuries . You simply cant kick 6, 7 punts , 5,6 Kickoffs, 3, 4 FG . You would be destroyed . Falcons K some years ago is a example

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

There are a lot of players who can Kick and punt, for example McAfee, Colts, is better kicking than punting and is listed as P . The issue is injuries . You simply cant kick 6, 7 punts , 5,6 Kickoffs, 3, 4 FG . You would be destroyed . Falcons K some years ago is a example

I don't think the work load is the issue, as much as needing a backup. Punting and kicking a football isn't nearly as hard as being a nose tackle or linebacker, I really doubt anyone couldn't handle both jobs and still not be tired.

But typically your backup punter is your kicker and your back up kicker is your punter. If you were to only carry one player who did both you would be in trouble if that one player got injured. Unless of course you had a wide receiver like Wes Welker who can kick FGs.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

And it seems from point one in the link I posted that, as many have suspected, having a QB eligible number is not enough to get a QB designation. So actually Price is out, and Edelman is probably out as well as unless the Pats go through the qualifications process to get him a QB/WR designation (no idea what those are).

Didn't know about the last rule there (I'd never seen that before).

In any case, though, the Patriots DID designate Edelman as QB3 for the Saints game last year, so it definitely can be done.

 

[unoriginal]

Didn't know about the last rule there (I'd never seen that before).

In any case, though, the Patriots DID designate Edelman as QB3 for the Saints game last year, so it definitely can be done.

Apparently the three points I quoted are not "official" rules, but the official "interpretation" of the rule, i.e. its not in the rulebook but it was in one of those very binding Commissioner's Memos that get sent out to teams.

And looking at the rules and interpretations again, there doesn't seem to be anything precluding the Pats from making anyone the QB3, its only the first two QBs that have to be "real."

Depending on when Interpretation Guideline #1 was enacted, there *might* be some wriggle room for Edelman, as Tom Tupa in the 90's used to get designed as QB2, and his primary position was punter.

But I guess what we're looking at here is that the Patriots can designate ANY eligible number player as QB3 so long as Brady and Hoyer ("legitimate QBs") are active ahead of him on the depth chart. In that case Edelman/Price/whoever COULD be brought into the game in the 4th quarter for special teams, but could not play WR with either Brady or Hoyer under center.