Sloppy Jets go back to "grade school"

[SVN]

NAME	       ATT	COMP	PCT	YDS	AVG	YDS/G	LONG	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	SACK	YDSL	RATE
Peyton Manning	575	326	56.7	3739	6.5	0.0	78	26	4.5	28	4.9	22	109	71.2

Notably, Manning completed 56.7% of his passes for 26 TD and 28 INT in 1998. The Colts went 3-13.

I have no idea if you can tease out exactly how good he would end up being. Maybe somebody who saw him play back then would be able to chime in and say if they saw the future greatness of Manning.

well..for one i doubt he had this great defense. i assume his college #s were much better too.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Notably, Manning completed 56.7% of his passes for 26 TD and 28 INT in 1998. The Colts went 3-13.

I have no idea if you can tease out exactly how good he would end up being. Maybe somebody who saw him play back then would be able to chime in and say if they saw the future greatness of Manning.

compare Sanchise

2518 yds, 206 completions, 385 attempts (53% comp), 12 TD/20 INTs

to Rick Mirer

3016 yards, 291 completions, 514 attempts (56% comp), 13 TD/17 INTs

 

[Rob0729]

NAME           ATT    COMP    PCT    YDS    AVG    YDS/G    LONG    TD    TD%    INT    INT%    SACK    YDSL    RATE
Peyton Manning    575    326    56.7    3739    6.5    0.0    78    26    4.5    28    4.9    22    109    71.2

Notably, Manning completed 56.7% of his passes for 26 TD and 28 INT in 1998. The Colts went 3-13.

I have no idea if you can tease out exactly how good he would end up being. Maybe somebody who saw him play back then would be able to chime in and say if they saw the future greatness of Manning.

The comparisons to Sanchez's and Manning's rookie years is the most overrated argument in defense of Sanchez. The fact of the matter is the Colts knew they weren't going anywhere and they wanted Manning to air it out because they felt it would help him learn. That was not the strategy the Jets too with Sanchez last year. Manning also set a rookie TD record.

It was quite clear in Manning's rookie season that he was going to be a very good to great QB. I don't think people thought he would be what he turned into, but Manning his rookie season was worlds better than Sanchez his rookie season. It wasn't even close.

 

[BradyFTW!]

1) Manning was the single most notable exception to the general rule since probably Troy Aikman.

2) Manning was placed on a profoundly ****ty team, and was basically thrown into the fire. It was pure sink-or-swim; pretty much the opposite of what guys like Roethlisberger and Sanchez would later be asked to do.

3) There were clear signs, even as a rookie, that Manning would become a hell of a QB. He had the mental presence, the fundamentals, and the physical talent to become an elite QB.

4) Even in taking a terrible team on his shoulders, Manning still posted *much* better stats than Sanchez was able to even with the #1 running game and #1 defense at his disposal. There are much better comparables for Sanchez's situation, and Mike Lombardi astutely pointed out that the best one might be Rick Mirer.

People trotting out the Peyton Manning argument conveniently overlook all the ways in which Sanchez wasn't even close to Manning. For example, Manning threw over twice as many TDs. He wasn't put in an optimum position to succeed: he was made to sink or swim, and unlike most other quarterbacks who are thrown into that situation, he made it.

And FWIW, there's a reason why people are still using Peyton Manning as *the* archetype even 12 years later: because nobody's replicated it since. He's the definition of an outlier: someone who falls miles outside of the trend for readily explainable reasons, and therefore has no real predictive or explanatory power in regards to the other data points.

 

[Peachhead]

I think once we beat them Sunday (hopefully trounce them) Rex is going to start losing the players. I think Sunday we have an opportunity not just to go up 2 games on them, but to put them into a downward spiral.

 

[reflexblue]

I think once we beat them Sunday (hopefully trounce them) Rex is going to start losing the players. I think Sunday we have an opportunity not just to go up 2 games on them, but to put them into a downward spiral.

I think so too, if the jests lose this game they won't recover for quit a while. It will be a psychological beat down.

 

[Joker]

Rex takes Jets back to grade school...

"OK team...let's make this simple...what's three letters and goes meow?"

Sanchize.."NYJ?"

Revis.."dyam,coach...I KNOW it starts with a K..."

Tomlinson...."yeah, and it's got two T's..."

Woody..."uh...dog?"

Cromartie..."shut up, fool and ax the expert...puzzy...I just LOVES the puzzy..."

 

[jagkho]

NAME	       ATT	COMP	PCT	YDS	AVG	YDS/G	LONG	TD	TD%	INT	INT%	SACK	YDSL	RATE
Peyton Manning	575	326	56.7	3739	6.5	0.0	78	26	4.5	28	4.9	22	109	71.2

Notably, Manning completed 56.7% of his passes for 26 TD and 28 INT in 1998. The Colts went 3-13.

I have no idea if you can tease out exactly how good he would end up being. Maybe somebody who saw him play back then would be able to chime in and say if they saw the future greatness of Manning.

I definitely agree with the idea that you can tell a lot in the rookie year. You dont have to be all-world, but you do have to show some flashes where you made some plays, made your team better, exhibited some leadership. And as much as I dont like him, Manning did that in his rookie year (note the 26 TDs). Contrast that to guys like Alex Smith, Tim Couch, David Carr and other #1s who didn't do much and for whom their original teams made a lot of excuses for, wasting 3-5 years on.

 

[mgcolby]

not questioning you but what were manning's stats in the rookie season ? anyone have that info ?would be interesting too look.

56.7% completion on 575 attempts with 26 TD's and 28 Int's with 3739 yards

Clearly he had the potential to complete a lot of passes and score TD's. With the normal Rookie mistakes.

Now look at Sanchez:

53.8% completion percentage on 365 attempts with 12 TD's and 20 Int's 2444 yards.

Edit: sorry didn't continue reading, so I reposted the same numbers that were already posted.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Re: Sloppy Jets go back to "grade school" and FNF

I'm still trying to figure out why at any point during the offseason any one thought this was going to be a good team??? :confused2:

Me either!? I thought the World went mad, or I wasn't seeing something.

If you have been over to their board, the Jester fans are debating whether it's true that the OC, Schottenheimer's kid, popped Rex Ryan in the ****; or whether Rex punched out Schottszy, just after practice. All based on a rumor from some drunken gambler.

But no one seems to doubt the report. And the fans are lining up as to whether Wrecks did it, or Schottzy did. No one even discusses the possibility that its a false rumor.

The posters are dividing, choosing sides, getting verbally violent, obstreperous, and calling the other side out.

This is just what we predicted. The wheels would come off the Jets Superbowl Chariot, but everyone assumed it would take three or four losses before it happened...

I also thought the blowup would come from the fine upstanding, criminal, recruits on the team; but NOT initiated between the Coaches.

Now back to the action at ringside.

...Schhottzy ducks the wild haymaker, and pounds the big body with a series of body blows. Wrecks responds with a bone crushing clinch, while a stream of of unreleaved "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" chants emanate from his maw. They teeter, and Rex falls on top of Schittzy crushing the wind and life from him and gasps for strength to rise himself...:eek:

Now between rounds, would be the time for "Polly and a Blue Blades" promo jingle, but this ringside action is happening at the dismal Swamp, not at Gillette...

(If you don't get the references, ask your Dad or Grandpaw, about Polly Parrot and Blue Blades)

 

[mgcolby]

Re: Sloppy Jets go back to "grade school" and FNF

Me either!? I thought the World went mad, or I wasn't seeing something.

If you have been over to their board, the Jester fans are debating whether it's true that the OC, Schottenheimer's kid, popped Rex Ryan in the ****; or whether Rex punched out Schottszy, just after practice. All based on a rumor from some drunken gambler.

But no one seems to doubt the report. And the fans are lining up as to whether Wrecks did it, or Schottzy did. No one even discusses the possibility that its a false rumor.

The posters are dividing, choosing sides, getting verbally violent, obstreperous, and calling the other side out.

This is just what we predicted. The wheels would come off the Jets Superbowl Chariot, but everyone assumed it would take three or four losses before it happened...

I also thought the blowup would come from the fine upstanding, criminal, recruits on the team; but NOT initiated between the Coaches.

Now back to the action at ringside.

...Schhottzy ducks the wild haymaker, and pounds the big body with a series of body blows. Wrecks responds with a bone crushing clinch, while a stream of of unreleaved "For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" chants emanate from his maw. They teeter, and Rex falls on top of Schittzy crushing the wind and life from him and gasps for strength to rise himself...:eek:

Now between rounds, would be the time for "Polly and a Blue Blades" promo jingle, but this ringside action is happening at the dismal Swamp, not at Gillette...

(If you don't get the references, ask your Dad or Grandpaw, about Polly Parrot and Blue Blades)

Nice post. I honestly thought they would start off 0-2 and then go into the bye 2-4. But now I think they may go into the bye 1-5. I was questioning if they would be able to over come a 2-4 start. But now I wonder if they can overcome a 0-2 start and if we win in the fashion that I think we will, the wheels might just fall off and the cart might break apart. I think they lose 31-3 and if that happens they may not win the 6 games that I thought they would.

But this is what happens when you:

- Eat cheesburgers on the practice field during a special practice for your LI fans.
- Play with shakeweights before a practice
- Harras news reporters with your coaches joining in for fun
- lose a game by a point after having 14 penalties for 125 yards
- And then come out and have another undisciplined practice all the while continuing to toot your horn.

Remember this starting offense scored 2 TD's in 3 preseason games and full regular season game. And one of those TD's came in the 4th quarter against the Redskins backups. And I see predictions of them scoring 20+ points this week. I just don't get how people who get paid to watch and report on football can be so blind. It is mind numbing!

I will say it again this Jets offense will be bottom 5 in the league in scoring and may end up being dead last. The only thing that may help them creep above bottom 5 is if their defense can score, and keep feeding them short fields. But hell they had two turnovers that gave them the ball in side the 10 yard line and they could only muster 2 FG's. And then they had two big punt returns that put them inside the Ravens 40 and they only managed a FG out of it. But yet they are going to score 20+ against the Pats?

I hope we get the ball 1st and Brady and Co. march down the field and score a TD and put the pressure on them right off the bat. I fully expect Ryan to try and prove the media wrong by having Sanchez come out slinging the ball just to show them he can. The combination of an early lead and the Jets ego will lead to multiple picks and a beat down that they won't recover from.

I rambled on enough....

 

[Rob0729]

Re: Sloppy Jets go back to "grade school" and FNF

Nice post. I honestly thought they would start off 0-2 and then go into the bye 2-4. But now I think they may go into the bye 1-5. I was questioning if they would be able to over come a 2-4 start. But now I wonder if they can overcome a 0-2 start and if we win in the fashion that I think we will, the wheels might just fall off and the cart might break apart. I think they lose 31-3 and if that happens they may not win the 6 games that I thought they would.

But this is what happens when you:

- Eat cheesburgers on the practice field during a special practice for your LI fans.
- Play with shakeweights before a practice
- Harras news reporters with your coaches joining in for fun
- lose a game by a point after having 14 penalties for 125 yards
- And then come out and have another undisciplined practice all the while continuing to toot your horn.

Remember this starting offense scored 2 TD's in 3 preseason games and full regular season game. And one of those TD's came in the 4th quarter against the Redskins backups. And I see predictions of them scoring 20+ points this week. I just don't get how people who get paid to watch and report on football can be so blind. It is mind numbing!

I will say it again this Jets offense will be bottom 5 in the league in scoring and may end up being dead last. The only thing that may help them creep above bottom 5 is if their defense can score, and keep feeding them short fields. But hell they had two turnovers that gave them the ball in side the 10 yard line and they could only muster 2 FG's. And then they had two big punt returns that put them inside the Ravens 40 and they only managed a FG out of it. But yet they are going to score 20+ against the Pats?

I hope we get the ball 1st and Brady and Co. march down the field and score a TD and put the pressure on them right off the bat. I fully expect Ryan to try and prove the media wrong by having Sanchez come out slinging the ball just to show them he can. The combination of an early lead and the Jets ego will lead to multiple picks and a beat down that they won't recover from.

I rambled on enough....

Watching Hard Knocks, you saw this sloppiness and mental mistakes coming. I thought the most telling point that Ryan just gave these guys too much leeway was when Jason Taylor showed up late for practice after not traveling with the team and Ryan actually jokes with Taylor about being late rather than reading him the riot act. Belichick got too much crap for sending players home for showing late for practice in a snow storm, but Ryan deserved far more crap for letting his players get away with murder all preseason.

Ryan really looks more and more like what we had with Pete Carroll or **** McPherson. Too friendly with the players and more of a cheerleader than a disciplinarian.

 

[alamo]

Re: Sloppy Jets go back to "grade school" and FNF

If you have been over to their board, the Jester fans are debating whether it's true that the OC, Schottenheimer's kid, popped Rex Ryan in the ****; or whether Rex punched out Schottszy, just after practice. All based on a rumor from some drunken gambler.

But no one seems to doubt the report. And the fans are lining up as to whether Wrecks did it, or Schottzy did. No one even discusses the possibility that its a false rumor.

That's because the rumor came from the same guy who broke two scoops on Revis long before the media did. Those scoops were initially derided as unfounded rumors, but when they were eventually revealed to be true the guy's credibility soared. I agree they should question things a little, for all anyone really knows the source could be a Hard Knocks staffer who had inside access then but no longer.

 

[MassPats38]

I love it. Rex must have watched some Full Metal Jacket for motivational techniques.

 

[mgcolby]

I love it. Rex must have watched some Full Metal Jacket for motivational techniques.

AAAHH...Jelly Donut...A jelly donut you disgust me private pile!!! :rocker:

And my favorite quote from that movie:

"If God would have wanted you up there he would have miracled your ass up there by now, wouldn't he?"

 

[moosekill]

Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone who runs, is a VC. Anyone who stands still, is a well-disciplined VC!